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Should we use a song in edit that have been used before?

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zulis
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Few days ago I watched Nine club interview with Jamie Foy and guys picked up topic about music choice in videos. Is it "cool" or acceptable to re-use music from other edits in the same sport? What are your toughts?
Curious what skiers would have to say about that.
Dec 6 2022 8:51AM
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BingPow
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zulisFew days ago I watched Nine club interview with Jamie Foy and guys picked up topic about music choice in videos. Is it "cool" or acceptable to re-use music from other edits in the same sport? What are your toughts?
Curious what skiers would have to say about that.


if you're gonna do it, it better be fucking dank, but otherwise there is so much music out there, no real reason to reuse a song
Dec 6 2022 8:55AM
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zulis
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BingPowif you're gonna do it, it better be fucking dank, but otherwise there is so much music out there, no real reason to reuse a song


Haven`t tought about re-using song myself but just wanted to start discussion and hear what are NS opinions about it. I guess it also depends on song and video where it`s taken from.
Dec 6 2022 9:06AM
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270on420out
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It’s questionable to steal songs from other sports but it’s downright reprehensible to songjack other skiers.
Dec 6 2022 9:30AM
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Jems
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it’s it’s very ehhhh to steal from other sports but skiing is a massive no no unless it’s some 90s gasta rap songs which have been played into the ground
Dec 6 2022 9:54AM
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weastcoat
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No.
Dec 6 2022 10:31AM
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GrandThings
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Should be avoided tbh
Dec 6 2022 10:55AM
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fredyferl
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To just steal a song you've heard in another video part is lame, you should put some effort into finding the music you're skiing too. IMO stealing a song from snowboarding is also lame, since they're very close. One thing that I have noticed though is nowadays some people just don't know that a song's been used before, since extreme sports and video parts have been around for a while now.

Using songs that have been used in other sports is a pretty common thing in skiing. Some would say it's an homage, sometimes it's straight up uninspired and copying. Cam Riley's part in Weight uses the same song as Heath Kirchart's part in This is Skateboarding. In this case it's well done, it's definitely an homage. Karl Fostvedt in All Damn Day, same intro song as Tom Penny/Arto Saari in Flip Sorry, also an homage. In those cases those were iconic skate video parts, so that's what makes it cool to reuse the song.

I'd say if you really like a certain edit, at least use a different song from the same artist. At least it shows some effort. Personnally, almost all the music/bands I listen to are from ski/skate/snowboard videos. I've stolen music from skate videos before to make edits, and I can think of one edit where it definitely was a great choice, the other ones I could've done better if I had listened to more music. This year I've put out a street video with my girlfriend, and both of our songs for our video parts are bands that I've discovered through video parts, and then I started to listen to albums from those bands and found songs that I really liked and used them for our video.
Dec 6 2022 11:29AM
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sindreplassen
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honestly your just ruining your own vid, the viewers will just sit there wondering where they have heard the song before instead of fully appreciating your vid.
Dec 6 2022 11:37AM
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Christian_Bale
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Nah don't use a song that you know has been used in a ski video. Wouldn't recommend stealing a song from a snowboard or skate video either. If it's a song that's been used in a reel, I personally wouldn't care. I think it's a good idea to run your song choices by a few people just so that they might be able to tell you if it's been used
Dec 6 2022 11:44AM
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-Dan
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Ruins the video for me if the song was in another video ive already seen. We actively try to avoid it when we are picking music for stuff. Asking around to a few people to see if they recognize it for anything. The Stand homies and CL homies even talk to each other during editing for their movies this year to make sure they didn't end up picking the same songs.
Dec 6 2022 11:49AM
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tomatonater
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Do it no balls
Dec 6 2022 5:06PM
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Icant_kfed
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If it’s mainstream music go right ahead, but I wouldn’t if it’s underground stuff
Dec 6 2022 6:30PM
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TOAST.
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If you know it's been used before it's pretty lame and not creative at all.
Dec 6 2022 6:39PM
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KilaTsunami
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Oh man, back in high school, me and my punk ass friends found this lesson out the SUPER hard/ cringe way by putting Ghosts n Stuff Nero Remix (from Art of flight) over some terrible footy of us hitting a trash can… still makes me cringe so hard anytime I think back on it

Learn from our mistakes, find your own dang song 😑😂🙏
Dec 6 2022 7:36PM
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Slowbro
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I don’t mind if it’s an intentional reference to an old part you like and you have the skill to back it up, but most of the time using a song that was in a banger edit or part will instantly make your edit lame
Dec 6 2022 11:50PM
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Whackson
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To be fair, how are we supposed to know every song that’s ever been used in edits/films/movies?

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2022 at 7:27:02pm
Dec 7 2022 7:24PM
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weastcoat
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WhacksonTo be fair, how are we supposed to know every song that’s ever been used in edits/films/movies?

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2022 at 7:27:02pm


This is why I watch so many edits both skiing and boarding. Not just for my enjoyment but it’s good to know what people are or aren’t using. Helps broaden your music taste and saves you from accidentally songjacking. Also why I try to use more obscure / lesser known music. Like if it’s an artist I’ve heard of I try not to use one of their top 5 songs listed on Spotify. As a filmer and editor one area I can grow in is song selection, making it more obscure, to where people haven’t even heard of the artist or whatever.
Dec 7 2022 8:15PM
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Grom
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Creative thievery from another skier. taking a song from a lesser known edit in a different sport is pretty okay in my opinion though
Dec 8 2022 1:18AM
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TwoPlankerPod
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Here's a sleeper I don't think anyone has used yet

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057611/Juelz-Santana---Dipset--Santana-s-Town--UNCENSORED
Dec 8 2022 3:30AM
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HypeBeast
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Is this a joke? As cultured as some of you are, I'm shocked to see people saying it's a huge no no..... it happens ALL THE TIME. Whooooooo cares

Commercial level ski movies: could attempt to not duplicate songs in edits, although it's gonna happen especially with the more popular songs in history. It's not like you get dibs on a random song lol. It's not your intellectual property. It's the musician's. "oh geeze Rick, we can't play lynyrd skynyrd cuz tgr used all their songs"

Random no name edits- literally a billion of these: who cares. They're gonna be duplicated eventually. As long as 90% of people aren't playing today's top hit in every edit, it's not really that big of a deal.

This is a stupid fucking debate. Like dumbbbbbbbbbbb. Are we really giving people shit about song choices because some other guy coincidentally used the same song that happens to be perfect for skiing? Hold up, lemme run this edit through my college plagiarism checker to make sure no one else used this Grammy winning song. I'm totally the first.... I put this in the same category as poles/no poles or over/under helmet goggles. Sheesh.
Dec 8 2022 5:55AM
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hi_vis360
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Should be avoided 100%

at the same time, there are some legendary ski movies that took songs from skate movies. I remember the first time I watched teddybear crisis I recognized a few songs from skate videos that came out around the same time. TBC still legendary as shit though
Dec 8 2022 6:34AM
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HypeBeast
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weatcoastAlso why I try to use more obscure / lesser known music. Like if it’s an artist I’ve heard of I try not to use one of their top 5 songs listed on Spotify. As a filmer and editor one area I can grow in is song selection, making it more obscure, to where people haven’t even heard of the artist or whatever.

I do like this aspect of some filmmakers. Always love discovering music in ski movies
Dec 8 2022 8:29AM
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CowboySkibop
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Take the zootspace soundtrack and put it over pizza’ing down blues
Dec 8 2022 10:27AM
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hi_vis360
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CowboySkibopTake the zootspace soundtrack and put it over pizza’ing down blues


Lmao somebody please make this
Dec 8 2022 10:31AM
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sindreplassen
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Turd__AuthorityIs this a joke? As cultured as some of you are, I'm shocked to see people saying it's a huge no no..... it happens ALL THE TIME. Whooooooo cares

Commercial level ski movies: could attempt to not duplicate songs in edits, although it's gonna happen especially with the more popular songs in history. It's not like you get dibs on a random song lol. It's not your intellectual property. It's the musician's. "oh geeze Rick, we can't play lynyrd skynyrd cuz tgr used all their songs"

Random no name edits- literally a billion of these: who cares. They're gonna be duplicated eventually. As long as 90% of people aren't playing today's top hit in every edit, it's not really that big of a deal.

This is a stupid fucking debate. Like dumbbbbbbbbbbb. Are we really giving people shit about song choices because some other guy coincidentally used the same song that happens to be perfect for skiing? Hold up, lemme run this edit through my college plagiarism checker to make sure no one else used this Grammy winning song. I'm totally the first.... I put this in the same category as poles/no poles or over/under helmet goggles. Sheesh.

its fucking whack, that's why you should watch at least some skate/snow/ski videos so you don't accidentally don't use a song that's already been used. and if know that its been used and for some reason use it, you're kind of stealing someone else's idea, they found the song first and put in work to make it sick. its impossible to make a video that's gonna be remembered if you use a abd song, everyone will just think "where have I heard this song before?" instead of enjoying the video that you put hours into making. find your own songs and put some respect on the people that came before you
Dec 8 2022 11:07AM
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lil.Boye
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there is way too much music to use the same as someone else.
Dec 8 2022 2:11PM
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Farmville420
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Side note: is it whack to use the same song someone used in a reel? Similarly, is it whack to use a song from a snowboarding part or skateboarding part?

Personally I don’t care at all if u like a song use it 90% of us do this shit for fun it’s not that serious
Dec 8 2022 3:49PM
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Canis_lupus
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weatcoastNo.


Yes.
Dec 8 2022 9:32PM
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Farmville420
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TwoPlankerPodHere's a sleeper I don't think anyone has used yet

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057611/Juelz-Santana---Dipset--Santana-s-Town--UNCENSORED

Idk dog, me and my brother and friends used it in a bridge jumping edit a while back
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057659/G-Lakes-Bangers
Dec 8 2022 9:57PM
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snowpig
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just head in a different direction... use some black noise!

or get inspiration from those restaurants where you eat in the dark so make a ski movie that is completely black and no music, it is only about the sound of skiing!
Dec 9 2022 3:30AM
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mattytru
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Farmville420Side note: is it whack to use the same song someone used in a reel? Similarly, is it whack to use a song from a snowboarding part or skateboarding part?

Personally I don’t care at all if u like a song use it 90% of us do this shit for fun it’s not that serious


instagram takes .00001% of the effort of making a full movie or even an edit so no.

it's about showing respect for yourself and others. even if you say you don't care, you are dissing someone who might have put a lot of effort into a part. re-using a song makes you look uneducated and uncultured.

as we get deeper into the internet era there are going to be kids that don't understand, which is reasonable. but there used to be only so many parts out there and it was easy to know every song that had been used. the idea still stands, and i think it is possible to be aware of plenty of edits and parts.

just pick a few songs that you didn't discover from an edit. ask a few friends if they've heard them before. narrow it down to one. boom good to go.
Dec 10 2022 10:10AM
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Farmville420
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mattytruinstagram takes .00001% of the effort of making a full movie or even an edit so no.

it's about showing respect for yourself and others. even if you say you don't care, you are dissing someone who might have put a lot of effort into a part. re-using a song makes you look uneducated and uncultured.

as we get deeper into the internet era there are going to be kids that don't understand, which is reasonable. but there used to be only so many parts out there and it was easy to know every song that had been used. the idea still stands, and i think it is possible to be aware of plenty of edits and parts.

just pick a few songs that you didn't discover from an edit. ask a few friends if they've heard them before. narrow it down to one. boom good to go.


The only songs I know that aren’t from edits is pretty much metal, screamo, hardcore stuff. Doesn’t fit with my skiing at all so I just use meme songs in my edits cuz at least it’s a little funny.

I get what ur saying but at the end of the day, if it’s not a serious segment and just like some video for whatever and you don’t wanna do the research then I don’t see an issue, but u also can’t blame kids these days for not knowing the song used in a CR Johnson segment from 04.
Dec 10 2022 9:32PM
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Christian_Bale
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Farmville420Side note: is it whack to use the same song someone used in a reel? Similarly, is it whack to use a song from a snowboarding part or skateboarding part?

Personally I don’t care at all if u like a song use it 90% of us do this shit for fun it’s not that serious

good questions actually. While most people agree about stealing songs from ski videos, songs from reels are debatable. If I've got something edited and then find out that a song was used in some random reel, I don't think I'd care. That being said, I personally wouldn't steal a song from a reel. I'd rather use a song that I've picked out myself.

Regarding snowboard and skate videos, I'd rather not use a song from a video that a bunch of people have watched. If someone told me a song was used in a strobeck video or a dustbox video I definitely wouldn't use it.
Dec 11 2022 5:24PM
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stokedelic
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if you’re a real skier you’d learn 3 instruments and how to fucking sing…. poser
Dec 12 2022 1:33PM
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Jems
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LawnBoyif you’re a real skier you’d learn 3 instruments and how to fucking sing…. poser

i have already done that
Dec 12 2022 1:51PM
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paulgenovese
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Not getting H-Mob/tired eyes to make you a custom soundtrack=not core
Dec 12 2022 2:13PM
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BingPow
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Jemsi have already done that


can anyone attest that @Jems actually can do all the stuff he says he can do? Not doubting, just curious.
Dec 12 2022 3:10PM
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Jems
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BingPowcan anyone attest that @Jems actually can do all the stuff he says he can do? Not doubting, just curious.

guitar solo
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057976/trim-F8206A38-6448-433E-840F-AEC9873AA8A6-MOV

me on the drums
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057977/trim-399D1A41-FE72-4C49-B62E-E730C9A43A3C-MOV


i own a bass and can play it competently with a pick but struggle a bit with my fingers
Dec 12 2022 3:21PM
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stokedelic
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Jemsguitar solo
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057976/trim-F8206A38-6448-433E-840F-AEC9873AA8A6-MOV

me on the drums
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1057977/trim-399D1A41-FE72-4C49-B62E-E730C9A43A3C-MOV


i own a bass and can play it competently with a pick but struggle a bit with my fingers


that’s only three and you didn’t fucking sing. no wonder your edit sucks
Dec 12 2022 3:39PM
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Jems
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LawnBoythat’s only three and you didn’t fucking sing. no wonder your edit sucks

i don’t have videos of me singing
Dec 12 2022 3:41PM
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stokedelic
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Jemsi don’t have videos of me singing


i do, you’re pretty good honestly 🥰
Dec 12 2022 5:04PM
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BK
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Hell no. Keep digging. It feels so good to drop in a new song you are vibing on and watch things come together around a fresh one.
Dec 12 2022 11:27PM
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jakeordie
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If you're gonna steal the song then go poach the same spots and one-up all the tricks.

Like a diss edit, gangster shit
Dec 12 2022 11:38PM
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sindreplassen
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alex hall used a keegan kilbride song in his new street vid
Dec 13 2022 4:49PM
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drifts
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new redbull video song jacked subject 2 changehttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1079793/Is-this-the-best-Party-Lap-Ever-https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1079832/Subject-2-Change
Nov 10 2023 5:53PM
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sindreplassen
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ON3P6 jacked a song from the goat

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1079833/french-man-in-cutoff-pants
Nov 10 2023 6:01PM
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HypeBeast
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This thread is one giant echo chamber of children yelling "hey he copied me wahhhhh". NO ONE CARES
Nov 11 2023 9:45AM
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Rparr
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I had been editing a video for like 3 years with a particular song I had selected. Then about 6 months before I finished my video, a very well known pro released a video with the same song. At that point I realized I didn't give a shit because the video was for myself first and foremost. I didn't change it.
Nov 11 2023 10:34AM
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SteezyYeeter
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saying it's "questionable" to "steal" from another sport is idiotic. sorry but i'm not watching every skate video ever just so i don't accidentally use a song that they did, and that i want for my video.
Nov 11 2023 1:10PM
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sindreplassen
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SteezyYeetersaying it's "questionable" to "steal" from another sport is idiotic. sorry but i'm not watching every skate video ever just so i don't accidentally use a song that they did, and that i want for my video.

i agree about that for sure, the reason why I thought that one in particular was kinda sus is because the song is pretty unknown and it was used in one of the bigger skate vids of the last decade. song abds doesn’t necessarily matter in amateur vids, but if you are paid to make a vid of some of the best skiing out there,I think you should make an effort to find untouched gems.
song for reference

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1079886/Modern-Eon---Child-s-Play
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