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I looked into this a bit more and apparently it only pardons around 6500 people, none of which are currently in jail. For sure a political ploy to get some votes in November. While I still think its a step in the right direction, it doesn't solve anything. I guess hes trying
AndrewGravesSVI looked into this a bit more and apparently it only pardons around 6500 people, none of which are currently in jail. For sure a political ploy to get some votes in November. While I still think its a step in the right direction, it doesn't solve anything. I guess hes trying
Idk why this is such a big shock/story to everyone here, 99% of moves made by politicians is to gain voters, most elections are just a game.
eheathIdk why this is such a big shock/story to everyone here, 99% of moves made by politicians is to gain voters, most elections are just a game.
The dumb thing to me is pardoning people for weed to get votes means that you think the people are fine with weed. Then making no effort legalize, decriminalize or anything. Isn't it still a schedule 1?
Idk, I wish we had more people in politics who weren't 150 years old. It's been almost a decade since states started legalizing weed. It should take this much, but plenty to show that it's not s big deal.
Idk if we can't even get this issue right, which sounds pretty obvious and straight forward, hard to have faith in tackling tougher issues.
theabortionatorThe dumb thing to me is pardoning people for weed to get votes means that you think the people are fine with weed. Then making no effort legalize, decriminalize or anything. Isn't it still a schedule 1?
Idk, I wish we had more people in politics who weren't 150 years old. It's been almost a decade since states started legalizing weed. It should take this much, but plenty to show that it's not s big deal.
Idk if we can't even get this issue right, which sounds pretty obvious and straight forward, hard to have faith in tackling tougher issues.
the main issue with politics is the old whites in control of everything, this will slowly change but for now we're just making it easier for older people to live longer and be cognitive longer, so it could take awhile.
eheaththe main issue with politics is the old whites in control of everything, this will slowly change but for now we're just making it easier for older people to live longer and be cognitive longer, so it could take awhile.
For sure. Things change eventually, just a slow process.
Professor-Modelofunny how you assume anyone calling out her glaring hypocrisy is a conservative
I think it’s a pretty safe assumption. No one outside of the AM talk radio bubble spends more than about 4 seconds a month thinking about the VP.
And that’s what I don’t get- it’s like you’d think her being not a psycho defund the police libtard would keep her out of the crosshairs of the right. But you know she’s… not white… so right wing is gonna find a way to go full Klan on her
**This post was edited on Oct 14th 2022 at 7:19:28pm
CaseyI think it’s a pretty safe assumption. No one outside of the AM talk radio bubble spends more than about 4 seconds a month thinking about the VP.
And that’s what I don’t get- it’s like you’d think her being not a psycho defund the police libtard would keep her out of the crosshairs of the right. But you know she’s… not white… so right wing is gonna find a way to go full Klan on her
**This post was edited on Oct 14th 2022 at 7:19:28pm
youre confusing DA kamala with VP kamala... two very different people with different opinions on policy... the second she became a representative of the party on a national scale she went from being tough on crime to the leader of the "root causes" and "equity" crew
Professor-Modeloyoure confusing DA kamala with VP kamala... two very different people with different opinions on policy... the second she became a representative of the party on a national scale she went from being tough on crime to the leader of the "root causes" and "equity" crew
Because she got a different job? If I had the time or inclination I guarantee I could pull up a thousand clips of republicans bitching about lawless California during her tenure as AG. Like I guess my bottom line is I don’t understand what the fucking point of this inquiry is. There’s national interviews of Trump saying he was basically a democrat and pro choice on whole and then he put 3 religious fundamentalists on the Supreme Court. Politics is the game of doing the things people voted for you want you to do it’s amazingly easy to point out hypocrisy anywhere you look.
Being that I might be one of the very few active people on here who actually lived/worked in the Bay Area while she was DA (whattup @TheLorax ), and am definitely qualified to speak on this matter, you gotta realize what California and the Bay Area was like nearly 20 years ago when she was elected SF's DA...
First of all, I am 35 now. I was a Freshman/Sophmore in high school back then. I should have 3 kids by now and a house with flying cars in the driveway. This was a long fuckin time ago. Things were different.
San Francisco was definitely very liberal in 2002/2003 when she started running for AD, but when it came to how the public perceived drug-crimes, it was still very much along the same lines as much the rest of the country was at the time. Every local and state politician from whatever party was always displaying this "tough on crime" attitude and campaign slogan. Even in 2007 when she ran unopposed, this was a time when California had a Republican Governor and was a year away from voting to ban Gay Marriage - yeah. California. Voting firmly against Gay Marriage. Imagine that.. It was like that 14 years ago... Mary Jane was still seen by the majority of people - including my 40-something-year-old hyper-liberal parents - as "drugs r bad mkay" - shit, my mom STILL doesnt like me getting stoned, and she hasn't voted for a Republican in her LIFE.
Public opinion certainly shifted during the late 2000s, but voters when Kamala was AD were still old-school and didn't want their kids - like, Late-GenXers and Elder Millenials to smoke the weed.
In any case, her office oversaw what.. 1900 convictions over 8 years? for a county of 800,000 people? That's pretty paltry to start - and the grand majority of those were concurrent with other, more serious crimes - such as distribution of the dankness along with crack or meth. Low-level green-stuff convictions were super rare and always were repeat offenders who had been convicted of much more serious crimes in the past. Her office had a no-time policy for ganja offenses and resulted in either community service, or small fines.
Calling out Kamala as a hypocrite for how her office handled pot cases back 15 years ago is pretty silly being that the political environment - even in San Francisco - generally called for it to be handled much harsher.. Was it right? no - but her office was absolutely one of the most liberal on the matter in the country at the time.
PacificRimJobBeing that I might be one of the very few active people on here who actually lived/worked in the Bay Area while she was DA (whattup @TheLorax ), and am definitely qualified to speak on this matter, you gotta realize what California and the Bay Area was like nearly 20 years ago when she was elected SF's DA...
First of all, I am 35 now. I was a Freshman/Sophmore in high school back then. I should have 3 kids by now and a house with flying cars in the driveway. This was a long fuckin time ago. Things were different.
San Francisco was definitely very liberal in 2002/2003 when she started running for AD, but when it came to how the public perceived drug-crimes, it was still very much along the same lines as much the rest of the country was at the time. Every local and state politician from whatever party was always displaying this "tough on crime" attitude and campaign slogan. Even in 2007 when she ran unopposed, this was a time when California had a Republican Governor and was a year away from voting to ban Gay Marriage - yeah. California. Voting firmly against Gay Marriage. Imagine that.. It was like that 14 years ago... Mary Jane was still seen by the majority of people - including my 40-something-year-old hyper-liberal parents - as "drugs r bad mkay" - shit, my mom STILL doesnt like me getting stoned, and she hasn't voted for a Republican in her LIFE.
Public opinion certainly shifted during the late 2000s, but voters when Kamala was AD were still old-school and didn't want their kids - like, Late-GenXers and Elder Millenials to smoke the weed.
In any case, her office oversaw what.. 1900 convictions over 8 years? for a county of 800,000 people? That's pretty paltry to start - and the grand majority of those were concurrent with other, more serious crimes - such as distribution of the dankness along with crack or meth. Low-level green-stuff convictions were super rare and always were repeat offenders who had been convicted of much more serious crimes in the past. Her office had a no-time policy for ganja offenses and resulted in either community service, or small fines.
Calling out Kamala as a hypocrite for how her office handled pot cases back 15 years ago is pretty silly being that the political environment - even in San Francisco - generally called for it to be handled much harsher.. Was it right? no - but her office was absolutely one of the most liberal on the matter in the country at the time.
That is a great story but I don’t think it’s a good idea to let things like “what actually happened” get in the way of baseless political ideology. I’m sure you understand.
It's great for progress, especially coming from the mouth of someone who is against federal legalization.
Regarding the pardons, I'm all for pardons for possession and home grow for personal/friend use because 1) it's weed lol and 2) it has been proven that charging for marijuana possessions has been disproportionate across ethnicities. Because it is disproportionate, people have been charged who otherwise might not had they been a different skin color, social class, or well connected.
I am not in favor of giving pardons out to big time dealers. Yeah if you were out growing and selling mass quantities, then you demonstrated a blatant disregard for the law. You didn't get put in jail because you're black, blue, or purple. You got charged because you broke the fucking law. You knew the risks. You knew the potential sentences. Do the time or don't do the crime. Simple. Now I think it would be reasonable to review people's sentences who are currently in jail and consider revising them to reasonable lengths; 30 years or even life in some cases is a bit excessive for pot.
This is 100% a political move. No way Biden does a 180 this close to election season. Shit, the senate democrats might even have stalled their cannabis bills in an attempt to sway some more voters into giving a larger majority; they did not make it a priority to push the legislation through like the house did.
Word_of_the_LordIt's great for progress, especially coming from the mouth of someone who is against federal legalization.
Regarding the pardons, I'm all for pardons for possession and home grow for personal/friend use because 1) it's weed lol and 2) it has been proven that charging for marijuana possessions has been disproportionate across ethnicities. Because it is disproportionate, people have been charged who otherwise might not had they been a different skin color, social class, or well connected.
I am not in favor of giving pardons out to big time dealers. Yeah if you were out growing and selling mass quantities, then you demonstrated a blatant disregard for the law. You didn't get put in jail because you're black, blue, or purple. You got charged because you broke the fucking law. You knew the risks. You knew the potential sentences. Do the time or don't do the crime. Simple. Now I think it would be reasonable to review people's sentences who are currently in jail and consider revising them to reasonable lengths; 30 years or even life in some cases is a bit excessive for pot.
This is 100% a political move. No way Biden does a 180 this close to election season. Shit, the senate democrats might even have stalled their cannabis bills in an attempt to sway some more voters into giving a larger majority; they did not make it a priority to push the legislation through like the house did.
Idk, i get "do the crime do the time" but I don't really agree with that take.
Sure things were illegal and people broke laws, but I'm definitely not against pardons, reduced sentences etc.
The drugs r bad vibes had us putting people in jail for really long periods of time. We've handled the "war on drugs" so terribly. I feel pretty okay with lots of people getting massively reduced sentences even for other drugs. Possesion of all drugs should definitely be decriminalized imo.
Sure doing drugs can be pretty bad, but ending up in our prison system generally isn't a good thing. People have been finding ways to get fucked up since people have existed. Hoping within 20 years we'll have actually done some real shot regarding the drug war and cleaning up some of the giant mess it's made.
Word_of_the_LordIt's great for progress, especially coming from the mouth of someone who is against federal legalization.
Regarding the pardons, I'm all for pardons for possession and home grow for personal/friend use because 1) it's weed lol and 2) it has been proven that charging for marijuana possessions has been disproportionate across ethnicities. Because it is disproportionate, people have been charged who otherwise might not had they been a different skin color, social class, or well connected.
I am not in favor of giving pardons out to big time dealers. Yeah if you were out growing and selling mass quantities, then you demonstrated a blatant disregard for the law. You didn't get put in jail because you're black, blue, or purple. You got charged because you broke the fucking law. You knew the risks. You knew the potential sentences. Do the time or don't do the crime. Simple. Now I think it would be reasonable to review people's sentences who are currently in jail and consider revising them to reasonable lengths; 30 years or even life in some cases is a bit excessive for pot.
This is 100% a political move. No way Biden does a 180 this close to election season. Shit, the senate democrats might even have stalled their cannabis bills in an attempt to sway some more voters into giving a larger majority; they did not make it a priority to push the legislation through like the house did.
I think putting people in jail for selling non dangerous drugs is dumb as fuck, but deadly ones are a different story
Professor-ModeloI think putting people in jail for selling non dangerous drugs is dumb as fuck, but deadly ones are a different story
(Caution tldr rant about drug war)
I agree that there's a difference between something like weed and meth. Meth will never be legal and seen as socially acceptable and that's fine. We need to do some work on all drugs imo though.
There's a huge issue with opiates. A lot of peiple have died, I've lost several friends as have a lot of people. The opiate epidemic was driven by pharmaceutical conpanies which are "safe" drugs. A big problem recently is the Fentanyl in Heroin, and other drugs and pills. The market for fake prescription since the scale back on prescribing opiates.
The demand is there, it's going to be there. If there is a way to bring it under control it's still going to take some serious time. We try to completely eradicate the supply (which obviously will never happen) but the byproduct is people selling sketchier stuff. Fentanyl is easier to smuggle because less is more. A lot of opiate deaths are from Fentanyl in the drugs people are buying on the black market.
In the effort to make things safer, we're actually making it more dangerous.
It can be argued that it's what you get for buying illegal drugs etc. I don't agree with that anyway but specifically regarding the opiate crisis it was initially driven by the pharma companies. Both overprescribing addictive drugs, easily avaliable and aeen as "safe" to people. Now that they've tightened up the legal supply, the demand isn't going to disappear, it's going to move to the black market.
If we invested a big chunk of the money we wastw on the drug war on healthcare, specifically mental health and drug treatment, we woukd actually see some positive progress. Drugs can be bad, it sucks seeing friends and family die. Drugs will always be around though.
All we've done is drive the quality of the supply into sketchy territory and put a fuck ton of people in prison. When you get out of prison it's hard to find a job. When you have a drug record its hard to find a job. We throw all these people into the system pretending it's the answer and then ignore the aftermath.
It's pretty fucking hard to get a good job after coming out of prison with a drug record. On top of that, prisons aren't designed to help people heal. People come out with more trauma on top of whatever potential issues they had that got them into drug addiction.
It's a tough issue to tackle, there isn't a perfect solution but we've fucked this up and doubled down on it for a long time.
Change is slow af and radical changes are almost impossible sometime but if we don't radically change how we handle drugs we're going to keep fucking up.
That said we still can't legalize weed. It just shows how embedded in bullshit we are. "That's just the way it is" matters more than anything else. Admitting we fuck up, that it's not working would be a good step, but we're America and we're never wrong. The religious drugs r bad vibe never helps.
CaseyThat is a great story but I don’t think it’s a good idea to let things like “what actually happened” get in the way of baseless political ideology. I’m sure you understand.
Lol I dont even think it's baseless political ideology so much as complaining about anything and everything they can.
Especially because many conservatives would generally be happy that she was convicting 1900 people for marijuana crimes... It's like theyre mad that Kamala did what they would otherwise want.
eheaththe main issue with politics is the old whites in control of everything, this will slowly change but for now we're just making it easier for older people to live longer and be cognitive longer, so it could take awhile.
Bahaha every vote you get is a downvote because youre the dumbest motherfucker on here.... Mr. Admin.
eheaththe main issue with politics is the old whites in control of everything, this will slowly change but for now we're just making it easier for older people to live longer and be cognitive longer, so it could take awhile.
I VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WHITE BECAUSE I'M NOT RACIST
My brother in christ, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.
Indians thank the British for settling their nation.
Hong Kong folk are happy to speak english and revolt against China thanks to Britain.
You're a fat dumb fuck and pretend to cater to minorities when you were born with a spoon in your hand.
