Tyrolia Protector

Honestly looks like damm good bindings. Definitely not going to rush out and buy a pair as long as it is $500 and has a 35mm stack height

Seems like a pretty good idea, the only thing I'm worried about is if it'll hold in the park in terms of durability.

That's really interesting. I love the idea of having a binding that can release laterally like that in the heel, I just wonder as to how reliable the release is, and pre-release issues. I also wonder if it would feel different in the heel, since I'd hate to feel like my heel is moving around any while I'm clicked i. I usually run a pretty low DIN for my height/ability if I'm being honest, and I trust my STH2 16 to release when I need it and not release otherwise. I'd love to try them just to see, but it would take a lot of runs to trust them. Also they do only come in a 13 DIN, so anyone who wants to run 12 or so might not want those.

**This post was edited on Sep 3rd 2022 at 9:37:59pm

This is the same technology they had on all models before the Attack bindings and are still on their race bindings. They're just rebranding technology they discontinued and are trying to bring back.... with better marketing.



And I respect that. I've been wishing it would come back since they discontinued it outside of their race bindings and demo bindings.

I've been running Peak 12s and AM 12s forever and yeah they have the 30° rotation but not the 7mm movement.....cheaper and lower though.

32mm stack height. Bro skiing on some daymakers

ThaLoraxThis is the same technology they had on all models before the Attack bindings and are still on their race bindings. They're just rebranding technology they discontinued and are trying to bring back.... with better marketing.



And I respect that. I've been wishing it would come back since they discontinued it outside of their race bindings and demo bindings.

I was kinda tipsy when I saw/replied to this thread last night. Just looked further into it. This definitely isn't being marketed to our freeski/freeride demographic. Seem to me like it is designed/marketed towrads the track binding skiing, Euro/North American Ski Dad crowd. But I really think they're 80% for the commercial rental market. Which makes sense, since those markets are much bigger than our segment, they're already acustomed to having a higher stack height, and they have more liability. Plus, the "freeride" version only comes on a demo track, and the other models are only compatible with the Power Rail demo tracks.

On that note, the stack height is more comparable to the race/track bindings they already have been producing, and simiar to the Knee bindings as well (which would be the most direct competetor of this).

It's basically their race bindings/the old Peak bindings, with an added lateral component. I really like how they added the lateral movement to the binding.

I'd be super down if they updated the Aatack with just the lateral twist release (like the old Peaks), but not the lateral 7mm slider, in order to keep the stack height down. I bet something along those lines is coming in the future once they do more R&D. Great concept, just not marketed for our demographic. All my alpine bindings are always Tyrolia for the low stack height, so I'm looking forward to how other companies respond... which will hopefully force Tyrolia to develop something more similar to their old Peak. I swear my old Peaks saved my knee several times over in backward twisting falls. Wish they had transferred that heel tech over to the Attack.

ThaLoraxI'd be super down if they updated the Aatack with just the lateral twist release (like the old Peaks), but not the lateral 7mm slider, in order to keep the stack height down. I bet something along those lines is coming in the future once they do more R&D. Great concept, just not marketed for our demographic. All my alpine bindings are always Tyrolia for the low stack height, so I'm looking forward to how other companies respond... which will hopefully force Tyrolia to develop something more similar to their old Peak. I swear my old Peaks saved my knee several times over in backward twisting falls. Wish they had transferred that heel tech over to the Attack.

How do you feel about knee bindings, isn’t the release mechanism basically the same as these new attacks minus the slider

drew.skiHow do you feel about knee bindings, isn’t the release mechanism basically the same as these new attacks minus the slider

Personally or for this market?



Personally: I hate them. They're a pain in the dick to mount, super heavy, they pre-release a lot (but what binding doesn't, i guess), super high stack height, tough to adjust, the heel can be tough to get in/out of (similar to older Griffons/Jesters), etc. The Freeride model is cool, but the stack height(s) is still way too high for my personal taste. Again, I prefer Tyrolia Peak/Attacks for their low stack height and low weight to durability ratio.



For the every day skier concerned about safety: They're great. Just a pain in the ass the first 50ish times you enter/exit the binding. I've had to sit there and manually engage/disengage the heel until it breaks in so customers can get in/out of the binding. They used to be one of our top binding sellers 5-6 years ago, but nobody asks for them anymore.





The release mechanism is similar, but different. I think. The lateral release on the Knee heel has a seperate DIN spring from the vertical release. I can't see anywhere if the new Protector has that or not. I'm sure we'll get some at my shop in the next month or so that I can get my hands on or the rep will stop by with it to teach us about it.

https://www.tyrolia.com/en_US/am-12-gw-114480-cp.html

21mm is just 4 higher than Attacks. They're a bill and change online.

Althogh I swear the old Peaks have saved my knees on multiple occasions, I also would pre-releas out of them in high G turns before. So maybe adding a separate spring for the lateral release(s) would be benefitial on this new model. However, I'm sure racers get to way higher G's than I do, and the Tyrolia race/track bindings have always had that lateral movement in the heel.



I also forgot to add above that Knee bindings also release laterally in the toe as well, which it doesn't look like the Protector does. That is an important distinction I forgot to note...

jakeordiehttps://www.tyrolia.com/en_US/am-12-gw-114480-cp.html

21mm is just 4 higher than Attacks. They're a bill and change online.

That AM binding you linked is is neither the Attack nor the Protector. The Attack is 17mm heel height. I think the Protector ranges from 31-33.5mm heel height. That's basically double the height.

ThaLoraxI'd be super down if they updated the Aatack with just the lateral twist release (like the old Peaks), but not the lateral 7mm slider, in order to keep the stack height down.

What would that binding have that the AM 12 doesn't?

jakeordieWhat would that binding have that the AM 12 doesn't?

The AM and the Protector? They are completely different. The AM is basically the Attack with a different toe piece. The Protector has a completey different heel piece from anything else in their lineup. Are you referring to the "diagonal release" advertised on the AM? That's standard on most Tyrolia bindings these days and is not the same as what is being advertised for the Protector.

**This post was edited on Sep 4th 2022 at 4:05:41pm

When you work it out, remember I tried to help you

jakeordieWhen you work it out, remember I tried to help you

¿Que?

jakeordiehttps://www.tyrolia.com/en_US/redactle unlimited/am-12-gw-114480-cp.html

21mm is just 4 higher than Attacks. They're a bill and change online.

That is absurd. I checked the link, it's not Attack.

Am I the only one wondering why they didn't add a vertical release to the toe piece? In the types of falls they're describing the front of the boot is forced upwards and not laterally because people fall backseat (so can't release), while the heel turns laterally (also can't release). It's an absolutely terrifying predicament to find oneself in. This design will help with many of those issues but not all of those situations. Holy stack height too

jakeordiehttps://www.tyrolia.com/en_US/am-12-gw-114480-cp.html

21mm is just 4 higher than Attacks. They're a bill and change online.

Do you think the 21mm stack height on the AM 12 GW noticeably affects feel or performance compared to the lower Attack bindings?