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Michigan_Sucks
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Be a role model for the next generation. My mom who is a personal trainer at a hospital owned gym has seen the same Pro Snowboarder Hopeful come in everyday for the past 10 years to relearn how to walk. He is lucky, because he still has the opportunity to use his legs.


It's your personal choice to not wear a helmet, but as soon as you post your "sick clip" to Instagram and a 10 year old sees it, it becomes your responsibility to put a lid on.

**This thread was edited on May 7th 2022 at 2:09:50am
May 7 2022 2:06AM 36 37
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Quaggy
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I see your point, but I disagree OP.
It's not my responsibility to be a good role model, It's your responsibility to interpret the actions of others and draw meaningful conclusions.
I fully support helmets though, I just don't wear one myself.
May 7 2022 2:58AM 61 8
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Michigan_Sucks
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QuaggyI see your point, but I disagree OP.
It's not my responsibility to be a good role model, It's your responsibility to interpret the actions of others and draw meaningful conclusions.
I fully support helmets though, I just don't wear one myself.


How do expect a 10 year old literal child to interpret your actions? This is a lazy excuse.
May 7 2022 3:03AM 19 42
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Quaggy
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Michigan_SucksHow do expect a 10 year old literal child to interpret your actions? This is a lazy excuse.

At what age do you let someone make their own decisions then?
Shouldn't this hypothetical individual have their mom in the lodge waiting for them if they're 10? I'd hope parents still teach their kids to wear helmets...
At what point do we just all censor ourselves because someone might get hurt?

**This post was edited on May 7th 2022 at 3:10:12am
May 7 2022 3:08AM 29 3
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Michigan_Sucks
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QuaggyAt what age do you let someone make their own decisions then?
Shouldn't this hypothetical individual have their mom in the lodge waiting for them if they're 10? I'd hope parents still teach their kids to wear helmets...
At what point do we just all censor ourselves because someone might get hurt?

**This post was edited on May 7th 2022 at 3:10:12am


Never said anyone couldn't make their own decision. But they SHOULD be a postive influence. Also do you seriously think wearing a helmet is censoring yourself?

Also your caveat of "might hurt themself" c'mon, just google CTE statistics in contact sports.
May 7 2022 3:17AM 13 3
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swherity
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QuaggyAt what age do you let someone make their own decisions then?
Shouldn't this hypothetical individual have their mom in the lodge waiting for them if they're 10? I'd hope parents still teach their kids to wear helmets...
At what point do we just all censor ourselves because someone might get hurt?

**This post was edited on May 7th 2022 at 3:10:12am

he just salty cuz he saw the dude throwin quads without a bucket on
May 7 2022 3:43AM 37 4
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theabortionator
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I wear a helmet, I wear a seatbelt. People can do whatever they want. Honestly give 0 fucks whether other people wear seatbelt. I worry a little bit sometimes if friends fuck themselves up without helmets and don't change but that's their thing. Actually a buddy who's a pretty sick skier just joined the helmet gang. Had a few pretty serious crashes in a row.

As far as kids, idk. I think things have changed so much already. 20 years ago who the fuck wore a helmet other than maybe a racer or something. 15 years ago some people had them a lot didn't. Industry wise they seemed frowned on still outside of contests. Even 10-12 years ago it seems every kid in the park had one. Probably their parents got them a helmet to ski park. Wasn't a big deal. Everyone else had one on so it never mattered. Still a few people without them but much less common.

I'm just saying that a hugggge percent of people rock helmets now. Plus some of the people that died skiing/snowboarding or things like the crash reel showing how fucked head injuries can be.

I think there is plenty of awareness. Wear one, don't wear one, it's all good. This thread vibes kind of like hysteria after anything happens. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! What if somebody doesn't wear one and a kid sees it? People are friggin posting videos climbing cranes and doing pull ups from them and shit. I think a no helmet post is one of the less dangerous things posted.

And again, a huge percentage of people wear helmets these days.

This is a PSA for a problem that exists so much less these days and such a tired argument.



Sparknotes: Sometimes bad shit happens when you ski park/big mountain. People know this. Some people wear helmets, some people don't, a helmet can keep you from dying when you eat total shit. People know this. Also people can do whatever the fuck they want.


/rant for no reason because I'm hungry and this pizza is cooking slow.
May 7 2022 3:46AM 31 0
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Quaggy
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Michigan_SucksNever said anyone couldn't make their own decision. But they SHOULD be a postive influence. Also do you seriously think wearing a helmet is censoring yourself?

Also your caveat of "might hurt themself" c'mon, just google CTE statistics in contact sports.



I'm confused, your ability to interpret something is limited by age, but making a decision is not?
Either way, you're extrapolating OP, lemme explain myself!
What do you expect a 10-year-old to do after they interpret someone's actions? Probably make a decision based on their interpretation which would be to not wear a helmet (or wear one). Would it be okay if they were 12? What about 14?
According to you, it is my responsibility to wear a helmet if I am posting on social media because I should be a good influence on the younger generation, this is why I ask at what point we censor ourselves because someone might get hurt? (hurt meaning both emotionally and physically). Is David Lesh responsible for the debauchery that ensued following his Friday series? What about ZootSpace and their coffee table stunts?
But like you said OP, "It's your personal choice to not wear a helmet" so what I do and my lack of responsibility shouldn't have any sway on the 10-year-old wearing or not wearing a helmet due to their personal choice.
TL;DR: You are not responsible for random people on the internet and how they perceive your responsibilities or lack thereof.
May 7 2022 4:06AM 15 0
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Quaggy
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swherityhe just salty cuz he saw the dude throwin quads without a bucket on

My thoughts exactly upon seeing this thread after reading the other regarding the quad attempts!! :)
May 7 2022 4:10AM 10 0
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Jems
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i wouldn’t compare these two because they’re obviously not in the same league. and honestly i usually don’t see anyone under 16 or 17 ripping without a helmet.
May 7 2022 5:01AM 19 0
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Graham0596
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theabortionatorI wear a helmet, I wear a seatbelt. People can do whatever they want. Honestly give 0 fucks whether other people wear seatbelt. I worry a little bit sometimes if friends fuck themselves up without helmets and don't change but that's their thing. Actually a buddy who's a pretty sick skier just joined the helmet gang. Had a few pretty serious crashes in a row.

As far as kids, idk. I think things have changed so much already. 20 years ago who the fuck wore a helmet other than maybe a racer or something. 15 years ago some people had them a lot didn't. Industry wise they seemed frowned on still outside of contests. Even 10-12 years ago it seems every kid in the park had one. Probably their parents got them a helmet to ski park. Wasn't a big deal. Everyone else had one on so it never mattered. Still a few people without them but much less common.

I'm just saying that a hugggge percent of people rock helmets now. Plus some of the people that died skiing/snowboarding or things like the crash reel showing how fucked head injuries can be.

I think there is plenty of awareness. Wear one, don't wear one, it's all good. This thread vibes kind of like hysteria after anything happens. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! What if somebody doesn't wear one and a kid sees it? People are friggin posting videos climbing cranes and doing pull ups from them and shit. I think a no helmet post is one of the less dangerous things posted.

And again, a huge percentage of people wear helmets these days.

This is a PSA for a problem that exists so much less these days and such a tired argument.



Sparknotes: Sometimes bad shit happens when you ski park/big mountain. People know this. Some people wear helmets, some people don't, a helmet can keep you from dying when you eat total shit. People know this. Also people can do whatever the fuck they want.


/rant for no reason because I'm hungry and this pizza is cooking slow.


Pizzas take too long
May 7 2022 5:02AM 10 0
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theabortionator
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Graham0596Pizzas take too long


Too long. Was pretty decent though. I feel less hungry but still mostly agree with my rant.
May 7 2022 5:09AM 8 0
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Quaggy
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theabortionatorToo long. Was pretty decent though. I feel less hungry but still mostly agree with my rant.

Was also semi-hangry when OP replied... my food got cold during my rant :'(
May 7 2022 5:15AM 4 0
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theabortionator
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QuaggyWas also semi-hangry when OP replied... my food got cold during my rant :'(



May 7 2022 5:21AM 13 0
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Lippamani
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I don't know about how the rest of the world works but at 10 yrs old I was running skids for electric lines making decisions on that machine that could mean life or death to all my co workers. My point at 10 years old if you can't at least think for yourself get help.
Michigan_SucksHow do expect a 10 year old literal child to interpret your actions? This is a lazy excuse.
May 7 2022 8:46AM 10 1
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Lippamani
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And also I almost never wear a seat belt and the fact that I can hop into Marge the dump truck or the 7.3 f550 not wear may belt and get fined by a cop. But I can hop on my ninja that I don't have without a helmet or anything is so retarded.
May 7 2022 8:53AM 7 5
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Jems
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LippamaniAnd also I almost never wear a seat belt and the fact that I can hop into Marge the dump truck or the 7.3 f550 not wear may belt and get fined by a cop. But I can hop on my ninja that I don't have without a helmet or anything is so retarded.

wearing a seatbelt cuts your chances of getting fucked by 50% especially in rollovers. i seriously couldn’t imagine getting ejected 50 feet out of my car just cause i didn’t wear a fuckin seat belt.
May 7 2022 10:59AM 15 0
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danbrown
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you couldn't have just bumped one of the other ~250,000 helmet threads with the exact same opinion huh
May 7 2022 11:08AM 23 1
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jakeordie
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I blame the parents for creating a fantasy world for their kids just to vicariously relive that time in their lives. Santa's not real, Disney is horseshit, and if you hit your head you get fucked up. We'd make better decisions if you motherfuckers told us the truth.
May 7 2022 11:38AM 13 0
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DominatorJacques
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I always use safety belts since they were invented!
Not gonna' go for the helmet rant though. I'll stick with the thread title.
May 7 2022 12:05PM 13 0
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Lonely
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QuaggyI'm confused, your ability to interpret something is limited by age, but making a decision is not?
Either way, you're extrapolating OP, lemme explain myself!
What do you expect a 10-year-old to do after they interpret someone's actions? Probably make a decision based on their interpretation which would be to not wear a helmet (or wear one). Would it be okay if they were 12? What about 14?
According to you, it is my responsibility to wear a helmet if I am posting on social media because I should be a good influence on the younger generation, this is why I ask at what point we censor ourselves because someone might get hurt? (hurt meaning both emotionally and physically). Is David Lesh responsible for the debauchery that ensued following his Friday series? What about ZootSpace and their coffee table stunts?
But like you said OP, "It's your personal choice to not wear a helmet" so what I do and my lack of responsibility shouldn't have any sway on the 10-year-old wearing or not wearing a helmet due to their personal choice.
TL;DR: You are not responsible for random people on the internet and how they perceive your responsibilities or lack thereof.


Eh, the way I look at it, if it is a extremely "common" thing for the community to do, then most people will follow suit just to be like everyone else.

Take skating for example. Barely anyone wears a helmet at your local park. Young kids or older people starting out don't want to be "that guy" wearing a helmet. Even if no one makes fun of them or says anything, they feel like they aren't fitting in. When I was young I hated that I was forced to wear a helmet, because no one else was and that made me feel weird.

So I guess the idea might be the inverse of that. If 99% of people skiing are wearing a helmet, it just becomes something that dumb kids (8-18 or older) will do because everyone else is doing it. In mountain biking you'll get weird looks if you aren't wearing a helmet, and that's probably a good thing.

Most of my concussions didn't come from skiing, but their nothing to mess around with. So anything that get's people to feel a little more socially pressured to wear a lid is probably a good thing
May 7 2022 12:14PM 10 0
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rojo.grande
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I’ve got brain damage no doubt ab it all of my concussions have come from skiing, and most of them I had a helmet on. I can only imagine what those real bad ones would have been like without a helmet. At the same time, I see people doing shit 5 times more difficult than me without a helmet on almost every time I ride, cudos to them. But all it takes is a few good knocks and you’ll never go without one. The only time I don’t wear one nowadays is if I’m on the cam in a very small park getting stationary shots or
May 7 2022 12:43PM 10 0
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rojo.grande
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Shooting sub 2 feature follow cams. The only time I’ll ever bitch at someone to put a helmet on is if they’re my homie and I know they’re trying something totally new or something they don’t have bolts. Are beanies a cleaner look than a bucket, yes. But at the end of the day it’s 100% that persons call as to if they value look or their personal safety more. Also if they’re young and impressionable kids like OP mentioned, 95% of the time their parent is gonna make them wear a helmet.


In CT I’m almost positive every hill with a park is helmet required to enter or u get booted which imo is kinda sick. There’s even a hill that won’t let you ride at all without one. But in the wide world of skiing, it’s absolutely a personal decision, and we all need to be okay with not being okay with other peoples choices just bc it’s not something you’d do normally.




edit: idk why that split into 2 posts. NS mobile is buggy as all hell it crashes after every 10 min I’m on it

**This post was edited on May 7th 2022 at 12:56:01pm
May 7 2022 12:54PM 4 1
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cyphers
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Michigan_SucksHow do expect a 10 year old literal child to interpret your actions? This is a lazy excuse.


if little timmy turns himself into a vegetable because he watched a candide clip then that's on timmy's dad, not candide
May 7 2022 3:30PM 14 1
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mobadis
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LonelyEh, the way I look at it, if it is a extremely "common" thing for the community to do, then most people will follow suit just to be like everyone else.

Take skating for example. Barely anyone wears a helmet at your local park. Young kids or older people starting out don't want to be "that guy" wearing a helmet. Even if no one makes fun of them or says anything, they feel like they aren't fitting in. When I was young I hated that I was forced to wear a helmet, because no one else was and that made me feel weird.

So I guess the idea might be the inverse of that. If 99% of people skiing are wearing a helmet, it just becomes something that dumb kids (8-18 or older) will do because everyone else is doing it. In mountain biking you'll get weird looks if you aren't wearing a helmet, and that's probably a good thing.

Most of my concussions didn't come from skiing, but their nothing to mess around with. So anything that get's people to feel a little more socially pressured to wear a lid is probably a good thing


Skater’s brains are drug addled, rocked by the concrete, and not very smart to begin with. I wonder why they don’t want to wear helmets.
May 7 2022 3:36PM 5 9
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Casey
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My cars beep at me if I don’t it’s really annoying so it got me on the wagon of automatically doing it. I also quit smoking at about the same time I wonder if the two are related
May 7 2022 3:38PM 4 0
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rojo.grande
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mobadisSkater’s brains are drug addled, rocked by the concrete, and not very smart to begin with. I wonder why they don’t want to wear helmets.


You just answered ur own question here lmao
May 7 2022 3:45PM 4 1
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Schoess
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Haha ok grandpa, let's get you to bed
mobadisSkater’s brains are drug addled, rocked by the concrete, and not very smart to begin with. I wonder why they don’t want to wear helmets.
May 7 2022 4:44PM 14 1
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osprey
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do you ever let people be dumb and make their own stupid decisions that do not affect you in any shape or form?
May 7 2022 5:56PM 12 1
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Abomber22
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cuz they're not very smart to begin with
mobadisSkater’s brains are drug addled, rocked by the concrete, and not very smart to begin with. I wonder why they don’t want to wear helmets.
May 7 2022 6:47PM 4 1
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ski@jaypeak2
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I only started wearing a seatbelt after having kids, been wearing a helmet skiing for about 15 years. This past winter I was riding the magic carpet with my 3 year old and didn't have a helmet because it was hot. My wife took her back and I rode a couple laps with my dad without a helmet. It felt super weird and i definitely noticed i was the only person not wearing one.
May 7 2022 6:50PM 4 0
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Michigan_Sucks
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ospreydo you ever let people be dumb and make their own stupid decisions that do not affect you in any shape or form?


But a good skier in the park not wearing helmet will have an effect on every kid watching them
May 7 2022 6:53PM 2 6
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Abomber22
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kids favorite line is " but jimmy doesn't have to....."
Michigan_SucksBut a good skier in the park not wearing helmet will have an effect on every kid watching them
May 7 2022 6:58PM 4 0
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osprey
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Michigan_SucksBut a good skier in the park not wearing helmet will have an effect on every kid watching them

every bad skier in the park also has an effect on every kid watching them.
May 7 2022 7:00PM 5 2
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weastcoat
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Oh my god another helmet thread
May 7 2022 7:08PM 13 1
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Michigan_Sucks
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ospreyevery bad skier in the park also has an effect on every kid watching them.


No one is watching you
May 7 2022 7:09PM 3 6
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Quaggy
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Michigan_SucksBut a good skier in the park not wearing helmet will have an effect on every kid watching them

Are you saying that we need to be aware of strangers and their perception of us when skiing because it might negatively effect someone?
Bro I've got too much going on to worry about some random individual and their perception of me.
May 7 2022 7:10PM 5 1
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osprey
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Michigan_SucksNo one is watching you


never said I didn't wear a helmet, but 99% of skiers that dont wear helmets are total cooks. let them be.
May 7 2022 7:13PM 6 2
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Jems
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Michigan_SucksBut a good skier in the park not wearing helmet will have an effect on every kid watching them

nah
May 7 2022 7:27PM 6 3
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Colingarnes
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Seems to me that helmets are for more prevalent among skiers than snowboarders. Even in the park crowd.


snowboarders really seem to fucking hate those TBI preventers.
May 7 2022 8:13PM 5 0
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Farmville420
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Finally, a thread about helmets, I’ve been waiting for one of these. I can’t wait to share my opinion with you guys, so basically
May 8 2022 1:52AM 7 0
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lil.Boye
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The past two years i have started to notice that i am a role model to a lot of kids, i talk to the kids on the mountain pushing them and hyping them up. The last thing i would do is coolguying them, making them think that being a total douche is the cool thing. I almost always wear a helmet, both for myself and for the youngins who are about to throw their first cork.
May 8 2022 4:20AM 4 1
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HomerPimpin
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Jemswearing a seatbelt cuts your chances of getting fucked by 50% especially in rollovers. i seriously couldn’t imagine getting ejected 50 feet out of my car just cause i didn’t wear a fuckin seat belt.


i can vouch for this. i got into a gnarly car accident a few months back, not gonna go into detail but i veered off the side of the road, ran through a few metal poles and rolled 30 or so feet down into a storm water pond. thank god for japanese engineering and seatbelts, especially the latter, without it i probably would’ve been shot right through the windshield
May 8 2022 4:31AM 6 0
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theabortionator
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LippamaniAnd also I almost never wear a seat belt and the fact that I can hop into Marge the dump truck or the 7.3 f550 not wear may belt and get fined by a cop. But I can hop on my ninja that I don't have without a helmet or anything is so retarded.


Seat bealts are great. Seat belt laws are fucking stupid.
May 8 2022 5:26AM 4 2
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mynameisgiovanni
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If you’re under 18 it is 100% the responsibility of the parent, not an influencer. I bet the parent is buying the gear, lift passes etc. Rule for my kid would be no helmet no ski. If you’re over 18 it’s your own choice.

OP what would your opinion be on someone like say McConkey, or the free solo climber Alex Honnold? Should Alex use ropes and wear a helmet because kids might copy him? Of course not, he’s a free individual to do as he pleases.


wear a helmet yourself and don’t stress on what others are doing dawg
May 8 2022 5:41AM 5 0
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Lippamani
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Exactly how I feel.
theabortionatorSeat bealts are great. Seat belt laws are fucking stupid.
May 8 2022 9:32AM 4 0
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DomRichard
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I like to wear a helmet whenever i’m hitting rails or jumps but I will never give anybody shit for not wearing a helmet. I’m told as an instructor I should wear a helmet to be a role model for new people, and I do see where they’re coming from, but it’s not my responsibility.
May 8 2022 9:53AM 4 0
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fullycorqued
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100% of helmet posts are made by insecure skiers who can't accept the fact that other skiers might be less likely to fall than them
May 8 2022 12:01PM 4 7
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hoodratz47
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Wear a fucking seatbelt. Are you fucking kidding me. I've kicked folks out of my car since they refused. Like motherfucker the driver gets the ticket.
May 8 2022 12:25PM 11 0
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mobadis
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fullycorqued100% of helmet posts are made by insecure skiers who can't accept the fact that other skiers might be less likely to fall than them


100% of no helmet posts are plateaued “middle aged” (1990-1996) skiers who can’t accept the fact that they need alcohol and or marijuana to enjoy skiing yet haven’t progressed in years as a result of their addiction. Also a few mentally challenged teens who simply imitate aesthetics.
May 8 2022 12:42PM 1 11
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Jems
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mobadis100% of no helmet posts are plateaued “middle aged” (1990-1996) skiers who can’t accept the fact that they need alcohol and or marijuana to enjoy skiing yet haven’t progressed in years as a result of their addiction. Also a few mentally challenged teens who simply imitate aesthetics.

downvote
May 8 2022 12:44PM 4 2
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