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West Coast One Ski Quiver. On3p Jeffrey 110 vs Moment Deathwish

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JSwatz19
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What's up everyone! I'm sure most of NS is annoyed by this question but I haven't really gotten the info I've wanted from other forums yet. I'm a rider that's based out of the west coast. I'm a playful skier that's loves to charge hard when I can, but likes to be able to slow things down and just rip side hits and have fun as well. I'm currently on the arv 106 and they're great. Starting to delam however (hit a tree admittedly), so I'm looking for something similar, but possibly a bit beefier and a better product. I want a ski that can essentially do anything out west. A ski that I can charge big mountain lines, rip groomers, not scare me when conditions are icy, ski tight trees, feel comfortable in powder, hit park jumps and cliffs with, and be able to butter and be playful with. Hopefully something within that 108-112 range as I felt like it wouldn't hurt to have more width than the 106s. I know it's a tall task, but I want to hear your opinions! Especially if you've skied both, or either. Options right now:

Main Options:

1.On3p Jeffrey 110: heavier than the deathwish, but in a more versatile waist width, maybe better if I wanted to have a more park oriented ski?

2. Moment Deathwish: Really leaning towards the Deathwish. Just worried about the 112 underfoot and whether I'll still be able to have that freestyle influence and be able to spin/butter with a ski this wide and stiff (although I believe the tips and tails are softer than the Jeffrey).

Possible 3rd Option: 2023 Atomic Bent 110. There's hardly any reviews on it but I'm intrigued. However, I feel as thought it's light weight and lack of "dampness" combined with its tight turning radius might make it squirrely at speed or through any thick snow. CB is my favourite skier which is why I am inclined to hear your opinions, but it's probably not the right ski for me.


Let me know what you guys think! Thanks
Feb 6 2022 5:10PM
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Cgavin
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Currently you can get the deathwish in 104, so maybe that would be a good fit since you're worried about the 112 underfoot
Feb 7 2022 1:12PM
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JSwatz19
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CgavinCurrently you can get the deathwish in 104, so maybe that would be a good fit since you're worried about the 112 underfoot


Thanks for the response! Definitely looking for something wider than 106. Only worry about the 112 was how versatile it could be at that width, but I think the deathwish does a pretty good job of that. Heard people say it skis more like a 108.
Feb 7 2022 2:10PM
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Turd__Authority
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JSwatz19Heard people say it skis more like a 108.

Free bump. Also nobody is gonna be able to tell the difference in 4mm width in a ski so yeah a 104 will feel very similar cuz it's a negligible difference.
Feb 7 2022 3:38PM
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Chunderface
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JSwatz19Thanks for the response! Definitely looking for something wider than 106. Only worry about the 112 was how versatile it could be at that width, but I think the deathwish does a pretty good job of that. Heard people say it skis more like a 108.


Deathwish's feel way narrower than 112. They are extremely versatile and agile. Very quick edge to edge.
Feb 7 2022 3:52PM
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BrandoComando
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Deathwish is definitely softer at the tips and tails. I wouldn't let the 112 width scare you though. The triple camber edge grip is freaky good. Definitely not marketing BS. They grip better than my Wildcat 108s on hardpack.

The Jeffrey is burlier and damper if you wanna charge harder.
Feb 7 2022 3:56PM
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JSwatz19
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BrandoComandoDeathwish is definitely softer at the tips and tails. I wouldn't let the 112 width scare you though. The triple camber edge grip is freaky good. Definitely not marketing BS. They grip better than my Wildcat 108s on hardpack.

The Jeffrey is burlier and damper if you wanna charge harder.


From what you said it sounds like the deathwish is the perfect fit. Just a great playful one ski quiver for out west.
Feb 7 2022 4:46PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Can't go wrong with either ski in this case. Flip a coin.
Feb 7 2022 5:03PM
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No.Quarter
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I ski 114mm underfoot skis every day, and at Bridger Bowl that means a lot of firm chop, ice, shitfuck, crust etc. Sometimes I wish I had something a lil narrower but they are never unmanageable when its firm and I always am happy to have something wider when all you can do is hunt for pockets of leftover pow, and on slush days they are the bees knees
Feb 7 2022 5:07PM
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JSwatz19
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skeirmanDeathwish's feel way narrower than 112. They are extremely versatile and agile. Very quick edge to edge.


So what I'm hearing is that these are the best skis ever and I'd be stupid to not give them a try.....
Feb 7 2022 9:55PM
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Chunderface
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JSwatz19So what I'm hearing is that these are the best skis ever and I'd be stupid to not give them a try.....


Honestly it is my all time favorite ski. I can ski it any day in Colorado and always be glad i'm on it. It isn't going to charge like a Jeff 110 though, or be as damp and poppy. But it will be easier to ski in more places, better in steep techy stuff, trees, etc.

I wish ON3P would have gone down to 106, rather than up to 110.
Feb 7 2022 10:15PM
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zerospinskier
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I haven't skied the Deathwish but I got the Jeffrey 110s this year as my only resort ski. They would definitely do the things you ask. They ski soft snow really well. So good. Very damp but easy to ski in tight trees. Then they really like to go fast when it's open.

But I do stumble in the park and hard snow sometimes. They don't like to turn when going slow. Only straight. You really need to lean them over to get them to carve and turn. I was not used to that since I usually ski park on normal park skis with more camber and tighter sidecut. But I'm getting used to it and having a really great time on them. Having only one ski for everything is fun instead of worrying about a quiver. It's nice to just grab and go shred.
Feb 7 2022 11:32PM
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Steezy-K
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i picked up a pair of Jeff 110s for this season. So far I love the ski. It is a little heavier than what I was used to but the added dampness and stability is worth the extra weight as you won’t really notice the swing weight after skiing then for a little. They’re super loose and playful making it easy to slash but I find them a little difficult to butter with the stock stiffness. They’re definitely capable in the park if the snow is somewhat grippy, and I never struggle with them in trees or tight areas because of how loose they feel. They can hold a decent edge on hardpack but it’s definitely not what they were designed for, but if you really care about hardpack performance you should be looking at different skis. I would also give the reckoner 112s a look they sound like the type of ski you’re looking for.
Feb 10 2022 12:44PM
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whatsamonad
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Between these two awesome skis I’d go Jeffrey if you want a more freestyle oriented ski, and Deathwish if you want a more directional ski
Feb 10 2022 12:46PM
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JSwatz19
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skeirmanHonestly it is my all time favorite ski. I can ski it any day in Colorado and always be glad i'm on it. It isn't going to charge like a Jeff 110 though, or be as damp and poppy. But it will be easier to ski in more places, better in steep techy stuff, trees, etc.

I wish ON3P would have gone down to 106, rather than up to 110.


Just in regards to mount point, did you mount them at factory recommended? If so, do they still feel relatively centered and freestyle oriented, or do they feel quite directional.
Feb 10 2022 1:59PM
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Chunderface
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JSwatz19Just in regards to mount point, did you mount them at factory recommended? If so, do they still feel relatively centered and freestyle oriented, or do they feel quite directional.

Yeah I think I have them at -5 which I think is factory rec. They feel really good there, playful and very easy to move around.
Feb 10 2022 2:51PM
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BearsOnKetamine
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Nomad 105
Feb 10 2022 4:55PM
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whatsamonad
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JSwatz19Just in regards to mount point, did you mount them at factory recommended? If so, do they still feel relatively centered and freestyle oriented, or do they feel quite directional.


My Jeffrey 96's are mounted factory (I think like -4 ish), and they feel quite centered. They like a very forward stance. I can't feel much of a difference between them and my Magnus 90's, even when doing some spins. They definitely have a freestyle feeling, more so than the Moments will.
Feb 10 2022 6:00PM
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Peaches007
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I've got the Jeffery 108 and the deathwish tour that I take to the resort a decent amount. Both are awesome skis, can't go wrong

Jeffery 108 - one of the best skis when it comes to playful and damp in my opinion. Charges great, very playful, great landing platform for jumps/cliffs. On3p durability the best in the industry imo

Deathwish - probably the best west coast 1 ski quiver in my opinion. Don't be afraid of the 112 width, honestly feels narrower than the jeffery on groomers. Great grip on groomers and west coast "ice", still very playful, doesn't charge quite as well in the resort (although this would be better with the regular deathwish vs the tour), still a good landing platform for jumps/cliffs, better in tight trees.

Can't speak to park as I don't go there.

Where are you skiing? If you're in the PNW, the on3p layup does really well with the heavier snow, if you're usually skiing lighter snow that may not matter as much.

For what it's worth, I'm looking at the deathwish104 and Jeffery118 for a 2 ski quiver, so you can't go wrong in my opinion. If it were me and I could only have 1 ski, it'd be the deathwish but I spend more time in the trees than charging. If it were vise versa, I'd go Jeffery. Also I heard the updates to the 110 make it even mo betta.
Feb 10 2022 6:33PM
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apc.fr
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Peaches_N._CreamIf it were me and I could only have 1 ski, it'd be the deathwish but I spend more time in the trees than charging. If it were vise versa, I'd go Jeffery.

It's pretty much this.
Feb 11 2022 12:50AM
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olic
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Check out the Wildcats or Wildcat 108 from Moment, if you don't get on with the triple camber on the Deathwish the Wildcat's are awesome and will do everything you want.
Feb 11 2022 11:45AM
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cydwhit
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Both are great skis. Don’t worry about stated widths. I don’t think anyone on this forum could differentiate a 112 ski from a 110 in a blind test, all other things being equal. And stated widths are just that, stated. I’ve reviewed skis that measured a full 8mm wider underfoot than the stated width.

Instead, think about the things that really set those skis apart, mainly rocker profile, weight, and layup.


Either way, you’re getting a great ski from good people.
Feb 12 2022 12:05PM
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drifts
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cydwhitI’ve reviewed skis that measured a full 8mm wider underfoot than the stated width.


okay you gotta tell us, what skis are lying about the width?
Feb 12 2022 12:14PM
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cydwhit
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driftsokay you gotta tell us, what skis are lying about the width?


Here’s a hint: Never Summer.
Feb 12 2022 1:22PM
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