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SessionBasic Training (Boot camp) teaches you how to be in the military.
AIT (Advanced Individual Training) teaches you what you job is.
Your permanent duty station teaches you how to do your job for real.
although plenty have gone to war straight from basic
The likelihood we actually go to war with Russia is fairly low imo. With both of us having nukes and our experience in the cold war I think both sides can agree that a hot war is pretty out of the question. Another real cold war is definitely likely tho
Y’all overreacting. Put some faith in the good lord man. Go out and live in the middle of nowhere or run a pasture eating all the little rodents that scurry around. I hear squirrel can be appetizing(they ate it in a movie), but man, fuck the old guy and bald guy. Why do they gotta do us like this, man. Livin away from the crazy is what keeps me chillin and Ukraine, man man ho wants that real estate. I mean, then it wouldn’t be Ukraine’s problem to deal with Chernobyl. Man we should just be chillin man.
hdubsThe likelihood we actually go to war with Russia is fairly low imo. With both of us having nukes and our experience in the cold war I think both sides can agree that a hot war is pretty out of the question. Another real cold war is definitely likely tho
this is facts but IMO the Cold War never really ended and this is just the further continuation of it, we have had incredibly tight tensions with Russia even since the fall of the USSR and I feel like every like 5 or 10 years there is a flare up with Russia that scares us all for a lil bit and pipes down after a while. Mutually assured destruction is probably gonna save this from becoming WW3. Putin, as much as I hate the guy he is a very intelligent person, he wouldn't simply destroy the resources he wants to acquire. Honestly the only distrust I have in this is with Biden, if anybody is gonna make a meat-brained and shitty move to endanger the world it will be him
I am just very anti- "America as the world police" ideology cuz I think its just a sham for us to get our grubby hands in other countries resources by playing the nice helpful guy to get our feet in the door to exploit more resources
**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2022 at 12:57:52pm
CrunnchyPissFartthis is facts but IMO the Cold War never really ended and this is just the further continuation of it, we have had incredibly tight tensions with Russia even since the fall of the USSR and I feel like every like 5 or 10 years there is a flare up with Russia that scares us all for a lil bit and pipes down after a while. Mutually assured destruction is probably gonna save this from becoming WW3. Putin, as much as I hate the guy he is a very intelligent person, he wouldn't simply destroy the resources he wants to acquire. Honestly the only distrust I have in this is with Biden, if anybody is gonna make a meat-brained and shitty move to endanger the world it will be him
I am just very anti- "America as the world police" ideology cuz I think its just a sham for us to get our grubby hands in other countries resources by playing the nice helpful guy to get our feet in the door to exploit more resources
**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2022 at 12:57:52pm
100% on that last bit. Interventionalist foreign policy needs to go.
r00kie100% on that last bit. Interventionalist foreign policy needs to go.
It’s outdated as hell, imperialist shit tbh. Like I understand foreign aid in like the sense of like natural disaster situations and alike, but getting involved in military standoffs with other nations that the US wasn’t originally involved in simply because they are happening is irresponsible, unsafe, and stupid
CrunnchyPissFartIt’s outdated as hell, imperialist shit tbh. Like I understand foreign aid in like the sense of like natural disaster situations and alike, but getting involved in military standoffs with other nations that the US wasn’t originally involved in simply because they are happening is irresponsible, unsafe, and stupid
If/when this bubble pops, a proxy war with unclear objectives will be eminent to stimulate the economy. A tale as old time, buckle up folks it's gonna be a fun next couple of decades
I would fight a war to defend the US from an existential threat, or to defend Israel from a true existential threat. I would not fight a war to save Ukraine from Russian annexation. I don't care if you draft me, you can't force me to fight a war I will not fight in, toss me in prison instead, my life goes on.
BigPurpleSkiSuitI would fight a war to defend the US from an existential threat, or to defend Israel from a true existential threat. I would not fight a war to save Ukraine from Russian annexation. I don't care if you draft me, you can't force me to fight a war I will not fight in, toss me in prison instead, my life goes on.
The concept of the draft is one of the most anti-freedom things ever. If there are not enough volunteers that means the populace does not believe in the war effort.
BiffbarfIf/when this bubble pops, a proxy war with unclear objectives will be eminent to stimulate the economy. A tale as old time, buckle up folks it's gonna be a fun next couple of decades
Cold War 2, electric boogaloo
**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2022 at 4:50:06pm
CrunnchyPissFartthis is facts but IMO the Cold War never really ended and this is just the further continuation of it, we have had incredibly tight tensions with Russia even since the fall of the USSR and I feel like every like 5 or 10 years there is a flare up with Russia that scares us all for a lil bit and pipes down after a while. Mutually assured destruction is probably gonna save this from becoming WW3. Putin, as much as I hate the guy he is a very intelligent person, he wouldn't simply destroy the resources he wants to acquire. Honestly the only distrust I have in this is with Biden, if anybody is gonna make a meat-brained and shitty move to endanger the world it will be him
I am just very anti- "America as the world police" ideology cuz I think its just a sham for us to get our grubby hands in other countries resources by playing the nice helpful guy to get our feet in the door to exploit more resources
**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2022 at 12:57:52pm
Yeah it just took a nice 20 year hiatus from 91 to around 2012.But that also depends if you consider tensions with china to have continued the cold war. Regardless MAD seems to have worked and nuclear strategy has come a little bit farther since the end of the cold war
hdubsYeah it just took a nice 20 year hiatus from 91 to around 2012.But that also depends if you consider tensions with china to have continued the cold war. Regardless MAD seems to have worked and nuclear strategy has come a little bit farther since the end of the cold war
yea I'd add china in there, kinda forgot about that lol. but yea I think we have definitely come a long way, I really dont think that nukes would even really be on the table for something like the Ukraine situation either
CrunnchyPissFartyea I'd add china in there, kinda forgot about that lol. but yea I think we have definitely come a long way, I really dont think that nukes would even really be on the table for something like the Ukraine situation either
They're either on the table or off, its pretty binary. If there's one thing I've learned from my nuclear revolution class its that if one nuke is used, nuclear holocaust is soon to follow.
hdubsThey're either on the table or off, its pretty binary. If there's one thing I've learned from my nuclear revolution class its that if one nuke is used, nuclear holocaust is soon to follow.
yea makes sense, I feel like the only reason the world didn't end in 1945 was because nobody else had nukes at that time when the us dropped a couple on Japan
CrunnchyPissFartyea makes sense, I feel like the only reason the world didn't end in 1945 was because nobody else had nukes at that time when the us dropped a couple on Japan
Early in the cold war we definitely could've nuked Russia with few repercussions even though they had nukes. Then it reached a certain point where yeah one nuke and every life form on earth is dead
iFlipThe draft is for sure going to happen. But good news for you, the US still does not draft women. Chop your dick off now and officially change to a woman and you’ll be saved.
In any case, there's no way they'll ever institute another draft as things stand because it's still fully gendered by law and unequal as shit. Any draft effort will end up challenged in the courts immediately and this will distract from the war effort.
If Russia really wants Ukraine, it's going to be in huge trouble as it is... Ukraine is NOT going to be easy to take or hold, especially if it receives a ton of aid from Europe and the USA which it will and already has been. It shares borders with 4 EU-NATO states, and Russia will have to literally attack the EU and NATO to stop a massive flow of supplies from getting into Ukraine, escalating things to some low DEFCON numbers.
I see this more as Putin just sabre rattling and trying to scare everyone into letting him have what he wants in order to avoid war... Putin is annoyed about the current borders with Russia because it means he will need to spend more money on defence rather than siphoning national riches into his own pockets like he's grown accustomed to doing.
We have no business interfering in Ukraine. We have no business speed walking Ukraine through the admission process to NATO. We have no business filling C-17's with small arms and M141 BDM's and gifting them to Ukraine.
We have no business interfering in Ukraine. We have no business speed walking Ukraine through the admission process to NATO. We have no business filling C-17's with small arms and M141 BDM's and gifting them to Ukraine.
Clown world.
Gotta keep the execs at Boeing and Ratheon paid bro.
Craw_DaddyGotta keep the execs at Boeing and Ratheon paid bro.
Pretty much this. You need some bullshit "wars" to justify handing out military contracts to your buddies.
Crazy to think that we could cut defense spending in half and we'd still spend way more than anyone else, yet some people are out there arguing we should increase defense spending.
We can disagree on what we should do with the excess (social policies, tax reduction, etc. plenty of options), but we should all agree that if there's one area of government spending where fat should be trimmed, it's defense spending.
Don't get me wrong, we need a strong military, but at this point it's overkill and a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money, we just don't need to spend that much.
We have no business interfering in Ukraine. We have no business speed walking Ukraine through the admission process to NATO. We have no business filling C-17's with small arms and M141 BDM's and gifting them to Ukraine.
Clown world.
First of all, that reporter is a jackass... It's known far and wide that Russia consistently uses misinformation campaigns both at home and abroad during times when they rattle the sabre. They did it during the Syrian civil war, and they've done it plenty of other times in the past. The information is declassified. The source is not.
The whole point of making it public was to tell Russia 'hey, we see what you're doing - we aren't going to tell everyone how we know, but we know... don't do it' This isn't to appease some jerk curmudgeon who's trying to make it about himself just because he can't easily write a story on it.
Like, what does he want, the Cuban missile crisis photographs? Cmon dude. Get over yourself.
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As for not having business interfering in Ukraine... dude, neither does Russia. It's a sovereign nation... and Putin/Russia is acting like an abusive ex towards it. They're doing this simply because they know, that if the EU and possibly NATO get another nation on their border, particularly one that takes up a lot of Black Sea coastline, it will put them in a strategic bind as far as defence, and widen the amount of border that they will need to defend on the European plain.
To understand why Russia is doing this, you gotta understand Russian history... especially going back to Peter the great who championed the idea that Russia absolutely needed a warm water port... Almost every single war Russia has fought and lost is in an attempt to gain access to warm water ports or to expand its territory to its west or in central Asia.. It's part of why Afghanistan exists, it's why they went to war with Japan (which then gave Japan the naval doctrine of defeating an enemy in large decisive battles) It's why they were so adamant about securing buffer states between them and Western Europe for so long. It's why they signed onto Ribbentrop-Molotov.
They know their strategic disadvantage of having a wide flat western border to defend is why Napoleon and Hitler were able to march their armies right through their territory, and they need to secure as much territory or friends as far west as they can in order to limit the amount of territory they must defend.
Russia is doing this simply because Putin sees everything west of Slavic territory as an enemy, or at least untrustworthy, and he's trying to limit the damage that has occurred to Russia's western defensive capabilities, as well as its access to warm water ports on the black sea. He sees the fall of the USSR as more catastrophic than WW2 itself, and he romanticizes the shared history of Ukraine and Russia. His ultimate dream is to bring back everything the USSR had back into the fold, but he's on full-alert damage control in regards to Ukraine. He's seen the baltic states go to NATO, he's seen much of eastern Europe join the EU and NATO. He doesn't want to lose the influence Russia has over its Slavic neighbourhood, and he sees Ukraine as integral to sustaining whatever he has left.
...and ultimately, the reason he's doing this is that it would not only be a blow to his ego to lose Ukraine to Europe, but also it would blow his pocketbook, because he'd have Nato all over his ass, and he'd need to spend national expenditures towards maintaining stronger defences in case Europe gets a little aggressive over Russia's petrochemical reserves... which also means less money for him to spend on elaborate palaces, and keeping his oligarch pals happy enough to not attempt to oust him from power.
This is all about Putin trying not to lose face or money, and Russia trying not to lose more of what it's already lost since the fall of the wall... and it's not considering for a second what the people of Ukraine want.
DingoSeanFirst of all, that reporter is a jackass... It's known far and wide that Russia consistently uses misinformation campaigns both at home and abroad during times when they rattle the sabre. They did it during the Syrian civil war, and they've done it plenty of other times in the past. The information is declassified. The source is not.
The whole point of making it public was to tell Russia 'hey, we see what you're doing - we aren't going to tell everyone how we know, but we know... don't do it' This isn't to appease some jerk curmudgeon who's trying to make it about himself just because he can't easily write a story on it.
Like, what does he want, the Cuban missile crisis photographs? Cmon dude. Get over yourself.
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As for not having business interfering in Ukraine... dude, neither does Russia. It's a sovereign nation... and Putin/Russia is acting like an abusive ex towards it. They're doing this simply because they know, that if the EU and possibly NATO get another nation on their border, particularly one that takes up a lot of Black Sea coastline, it will put them in a strategic bind as far as defence, and widen the amount of border that they will need to defend on the European plain.
To understand why Russia is doing this, you gotta understand Russian history... especially going back to Peter the great who championed the idea that Russia absolutely needed a warm water port... Almost every single war Russia has fought and lost is in an attempt to gain access to warm water ports or to expand its territory to its west or in central Asia.. It's part of why Afghanistan exists, it's why they went to war with Japan (which then gave Japan the naval doctrine of defeating an enemy in large decisive battles) It's why they were so adamant about securing buffer states between them and Western Europe for so long. It's why they signed onto Ribbentrop-Molotov.
They know their strategic disadvantage of having a wide flat western border to defend is why Napoleon and Hitler were able to march their armies right through their territory, and they need to secure as much territory or friends as far west as they can in order to limit the amount of territory they must defend.
Russia is doing this simply because Putin sees everything west of Slavic territory as an enemy, or at least untrustworthy, and he's trying to limit the damage that has occurred to Russia's western defensive capabilities, as well as its access to warm water ports on the black sea. He sees the fall of the USSR as more catastrophic than WW2 itself, and he romanticizes the shared history of Ukraine and Russia. His ultimate dream is to bring back everything the USSR had back into the fold, but he's on full-alert damage control in regards to Ukraine. He's seen the baltic states go to NATO, he's seen much of eastern Europe join the EU and NATO. He doesn't want to lose the influence Russia has over its Slavic neighbourhood, and he sees Ukraine as integral to sustaining whatever he has left.
...and ultimately, the reason he's doing this is that it would not only be a blow to his ego to lose Ukraine to Europe, but also it would blow his pocketbook, because he'd have Nato all over his ass, and he'd need to spend national expenditures towards maintaining stronger defences in case Europe gets a little aggressive over Russia's petrochemical reserves... which also means less money for him to spend on elaborate palaces, and keeping his oligarch pals happy enough to not attempt to oust him from power.
This is all about Putin trying not to lose face or money, and Russia trying not to lose more of what it's already lost since the fall of the wall... and it's not considering for a second what the people of Ukraine want.
YOU JUST CHANGED THE WORLD BY WASTING YOUR TIME POSTING THIS
r00kieThe concept of the draft is one of the most anti-freedom things ever. If there are not enough volunteers that means the populace does not believe in the war effort.
We have no business interfering in Ukraine. We have no business speed walking Ukraine through the admission process to NATO. We have no business filling C-17's with small arms and M141 BDM's and gifting them to Ukraine.
Clown world.
"we" aren't doing anything aggressive here whatsoever. we have every right to supply arms to an ally of ours, especially when russia, who officially considers us an adversary, has already invaded that ally's country and could be prepping to invade further now
your post is trump-world wacko shit and you've managed to spin it in your head that we're the aggressors here and not russia... even though the US and allies have shown no interest in going to fight this head-on and very clearly don't want war. this thing you're whining about is one of the steps we're taking to AVOID war
(i don't expect to convince you, you're clearly way down the rabbit hole, i just respond to shit like this sometimes so that the naive reader might do some reading and realize how out to lunch your post is. so spare me the conspiracy theories from ""alternative"" sources that would make up your reply here)
DingoSeanFirst of all, that reporter is a jackass... It's known far and wide that Russia consistently uses misinformation campaigns both at home and abroad during times when they rattle the sabre. They did it during the Syrian civil war, and they've done it plenty of other times in the past. The information is declassified. The source is not.
The whole point of making it public was to tell Russia 'hey, we see what you're doing - we aren't going to tell everyone how we know, but we know... don't do it' This isn't to appease some jerk curmudgeon who's trying to make it about himself just because he can't easily write a story on it.
Like, what does he want, the Cuban missile crisis photographs? Cmon dude. Get over yourself.
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As for not having business interfering in Ukraine... dude, neither does Russia. It's a sovereign nation... and Putin/Russia is acting like an abusive ex towards it. They're doing this simply because they know, that if the EU and possibly NATO get another nation on their border, particularly one that takes up a lot of Black Sea coastline, it will put them in a strategic bind as far as defence, and widen the amount of border that they will need to defend on the European plain.
To understand why Russia is doing this, you gotta understand Russian history... especially going back to Peter the great who championed the idea that Russia absolutely needed a warm water port... Almost every single war Russia has fought and lost is in an attempt to gain access to warm water ports or to expand its territory to its west or in central Asia.. It's part of why Afghanistan exists, it's why they went to war with Japan (which then gave Japan the naval doctrine of defeating an enemy in large decisive battles) It's why they were so adamant about securing buffer states between them and Western Europe for so long. It's why they signed onto Ribbentrop-Molotov.
They know their strategic disadvantage of having a wide flat western border to defend is why Napoleon and Hitler were able to march their armies right through their territory, and they need to secure as much territory or friends as far west as they can in order to limit the amount of territory they must defend.
Russia is doing this simply because Putin sees everything west of Slavic territory as an enemy, or at least untrustworthy, and he's trying to limit the damage that has occurred to Russia's western defensive capabilities, as well as its access to warm water ports on the black sea. He sees the fall of the USSR as more catastrophic than WW2 itself, and he romanticizes the shared history of Ukraine and Russia. His ultimate dream is to bring back everything the USSR had back into the fold, but he's on full-alert damage control in regards to Ukraine. He's seen the baltic states go to NATO, he's seen much of eastern Europe join the EU and NATO. He doesn't want to lose the influence Russia has over its Slavic neighbourhood, and he sees Ukraine as integral to sustaining whatever he has left.
...and ultimately, the reason he's doing this is that it would not only be a blow to his ego to lose Ukraine to Europe, but also it would blow his pocketbook, because he'd have Nato all over his ass, and he'd need to spend national expenditures towards maintaining stronger defences in case Europe gets a little aggressive over Russia's petrochemical reserves... which also means less money for him to spend on elaborate palaces, and keeping his oligarch pals happy enough to not attempt to oust him from power.
This is all about Putin trying not to lose face or money, and Russia trying not to lose more of what it's already lost since the fall of the wall... and it's not considering for a second what the people of Ukraine want.
Nice book, don't care.
Right now the biden admin is attempting to speed walk Ukraine through the NATO membership process specifically so that Russia is met with the threat of Article 5. A bit reckless imo.
If Ukraine wants to be an ally, the US and Ukraine can formally ratify a treaty outlining a mutual defense pact. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, they must meet the requisites to do so, including meeting the funding obligations which is 2% of their GDP (spoiler alert: they wont), as well as demonstrating full civilian control of their military apparatus (spoiler alert: it's doubtful).
If unimaginably wealthy elitists want to play a global game of chess on behalf of their citizens, fine. You can be the first one in line to volunteer to have your legs blown off and subsequently squashed in the mud by a rolling tank all so that Russia is denied a fucking warm water port in the black sea... I hope it's worth it for you.
Unfortunately for pro-conflict, pro-war, pro-world police, pro-legs getting turned in to ground meat, people like yourself; a handful of trade agreements with Ukraine are not a divine mandate to interfere in political or border disputes across the globe, nor are they a binding obligation to send US troops to their death.
There is framework within the US constitution to ratify treaties and to declare wars. Anything outside the bounds of that framework is unlawful.
SofaKingSick"we" aren't doing anything aggressive here whatsoever. we have every right to supply arms to an ally of ours, especially when russia, who officially considers us an adversary, has already invaded that ally's country and could be prepping to invade further now
your post is trump-world wacko shit and you've managed to spin it in your head that we're the aggressors here and not russia... even though the US and allies have shown no interest in going to fight this head-on and very clearly don't want war. this thing you're whining about is one of the steps we're taking to AVOID war
(i don't expect to convince you, you're clearly way down the rabbit hole, i just respond to shit like this sometimes so that the naive reader might do some reading and realize how out to lunch your post is. so spare me the conspiracy theories from ""alternative"" sources that would make up your reply here)
huh? trump world wacko shit? down the rabbit hole with conspiracy theories and alternative sources? What the fuck are you talking about? And be specific you fucking kook ass schizo.
Positioning additional troops and equipment in proximity to a foreign border dispute and gifting portable anti tank missiles to a government that's less than a decade old is not how you avoid war.
We have NO formal mutual defense treaty with Ukraine. Just because we conduct trade with a country does not make them an ally.
