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Rails r destroying my skis

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Quicksilver1
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Hey guys new to the community and stoked to be here.

Been through two pairs of Line Bacons the last two years. Was more focusing on all mountain but now I am primarily riding park. Last year a sidewall blew out and I was able to get this years model under warranty. The top of this years model are separating from the edges after 15~ days on them (from an impact). Looking for a very durable park ski so I don’t have to shell out money for more pairs. Something that can take bigger spins and jumps but also very durable for rails. Looking into Honeybadgers because they are cheaper but hear a lot of good stuff about ON3Ps. Any advice would be appreciated.
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drifts
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just get osama pros
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Toopexd
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Badgers would probably get destroyed even faster than the bacons…

I’m on my third season with my k2 poachers, just a couple of edge cracks. My friends ride armadas and they have been pretty solid as well. K2s or armadas would also be a lot cheaper than on3p.
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Abomber22
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or quit using skis in unnatural habitats
ToopexdBadgers would probably get destroyed even faster than the bacons…

I’m on my third season with my k2 poachers, just a couple of edge cracks. My friends ride armadas and they have been pretty solid as well. K2s or armadas would also be a lot cheaper than on3p.
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Quicksilver1
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what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much
ToopexdBadgers would probably get destroyed even faster than the bacons…

I’m on my third season with my k2 poachers, just a couple of edge cracks. My friends ride armadas and they have been pretty solid as well. K2s or armadas would also be a lot cheaper than on3p.
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drifts
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Quicksilver1what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much


just a heads up youre going to break a lot of skis no matter what you buy thats just life. to extend the life of a ski detune the edge under foot, try to land smoother, and epoxy the edge cracks
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Toopexd
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Quicksilver1what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much


Well for example the arv line has lots of options, just pick the one that sounds good to you!
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TreeJam
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Abomber22or quit using skis in unnatural habitats


What is a skis natural habitat?
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Abomber22
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snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic
TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?
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CatdickBojangles
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic


You do realize what website this is right?

OP did you detune your edges before hitting rails?
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BearsOnKetamine
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Vishnus are stupid durable I’m sure you can find some on buy/sell
Quicksilver1Hey guys new to the community and stoked to be here.

Been through two pairs of Line Bacons the last two years. Was more focusing on all mountain but now I am primarily riding park. Last year a sidewall blew out and I was able to get this years model under warranty. The top of this years model are separating from the edges after 15~ days on them (from an impact). Looking for a very durable park ski so I don’t have to shell out money for more pairs. Something that can take bigger spins and jumps but also very durable for rails. Looking into Honeybadgers because they are cheaper but hear a lot of good stuff about ON3Ps. Any advice would be appreciated.
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buck_nasty
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Quicksilver1what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much


I love my b-dogs and they’ve held up well
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skierman
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I love it when kids are shocked when they find out hitting metal rails and smacking their skis into hard objects damages their skis.


Here's a solution, stay out of the park so your skis can look pretty! Stupid fucking gapers.
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Abomber22
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taking an animal out of its environment, then glorifying it... blasphemy.
CatdickBojanglesYou do realize what website this is right?

OP did you detune your edges before hitting rails?
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Quicksilver1
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CatdickBojanglesYou do realize what website this is right?

OP did you detune your edges before hitting rails?


No I didn’t. Never heard of it until now
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tutipups
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic

Go back to r/skiing we dont want you here
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asparagus
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Quicksilver1No I didn’t. Never heard of it until now


aaaaand we’ve found the problem
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skierman
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Quicksilver1No I didn’t. Never heard of it until now


You fucking suck.
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Murslop
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Air
TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?
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Quicksilver1
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Thanks man really appreciate the support
skiermanYou fucking suck.
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milotv34
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Quicksilver1Thanks man really appreciate the support


dont worry we dont usually pay attention to skierman
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Lippamani
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189 rivers duh.
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FruitBootPro
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Yo I'm sorry but this is just how rail skiing is. Everyone says ON3Ps are super bombproof which I guess makes sense considering that they're made in an indie American factory. You could also buy beater skis on Locals Sale or something. Otherwise I'm not really sure.

Some ski brand needs to make rail skis that are like super cheap and designed to just be bought every so often when they break. Like cheap skateboard bearings. because at the end of the day, skis are inherently weak products and even ON3Ps will get messed up by rails.
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jompcock
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Do you dull your edges?
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dwt802
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Skis will break over time, detune before hitting park to prolong life, which you now know of.
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theabortionator
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Make sure you detune your edges. Csn still fuck your skis up hitting rails but detuning underfoot will save you from a lot of bad things.
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CaIeb
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic


someone can’t lip on b2
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Knapzach
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HG skis, oh shit, nevermind :(
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ReturnToMonkey
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TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?
Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic

What's the best wax for skiing the sun's corona?
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Abomber22
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ReturnToMonkeyWhat's the best wax for skiing the sun's corona?
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SuspiciousFish
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Honestly if I skied park I would just get some nice bindings and troll craigslist for cheap park skis every few years. They are going to get destroyed at the end of the season doing rails anyway. Then keep your nice skis for all mountain riding. You can get about 10-15 seasons out of skis if you treat them right and keep up on waxing and epoxy any topsheet damage.
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BearsOnKetamine
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Bdog edgeless
driftsjust a heads up youre going to break a lot of skis no matter what you buy thats just life. to extend the life of a ski detune the edge under foot, try to land smoother, and epoxy the edge cracks
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Brule.
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save your money and buy a pair of 189 wides for next year
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sexyjulian
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sexyjulian
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sexyjulian


Wrong thread, my bad fellas
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skiP.E.I.
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You just have to be prepared to go through a lot of skis if you're hitting rails a lot. Try to find used or closeout skis for park and have a nice pair that you don't hit rails with.
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deadhead420
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TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?


A playground
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warm_diet_coke
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I’m 3 seasons in on a pair of ARWs, I ski park and all mountain on them and they’re still going strong. Get the male version (ARVs) and define the edges underfoot.
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Quicksilver1
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is this a serious comment? I have a pair of 2018 k2 pinnacles that are 119 underfoot 191 length that I got for stupid cheap but I rarely use them. Would def be willing to beat up but they’re so heavy
Brule.save your money and buy a pair of 189 wides for next year
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Patrickorourke
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic


Don’t be this guy. Enjoy whatever you enjoy
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Canis_lupus
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Armada is a safe bet, they're known for their park skis as well as being pretty durable. Like others have said the ARV is their typical "park" skis but you can also check out their signature series. As for detuning it's basically just dulling the edges on your skis of where you're gonna be sliding, you can find videos on youtube or NS for how to do that. If you're getting a ski purely for park then detuning edges is usually ideal if you wanna slide rails easier.
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iced
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The special secret here is line has bad durability

Im pretty sure wallisch just gets line topsheets put on armadas
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Wyatt_05
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This is why you don’t buy lines
get a pair of Vishnus a pack of ciggies and a sizer of PBR
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freestyler540
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theabortionatorMake sure you detune your edges. Csn still fuck your skis up hitting rails but detuning underfoot will save you from a lot of bad things.

It preserves the ski a bit too. The thermal stress caused by metal on metal friction, then quenching them in the snow will cause micro fractures. These fractures are more concentrated on sharp edges. Once the microfracture begins, it will spread outwards and nothing can be done to stop it. The endpoints of a crack is the area subjected to higher stress and will propagate unless you drill the crack end points for stress relief. Obviously this isnt possible on something small like ski edges.
By detuning them, you smoothen out the sharp edge and prevent thermal stress fractures from forming. Its materials theory!
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ReturnToMonkey
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freestyler540It preserves the ski a bit too. The thermal stress caused by metal on metal friction, then quenching them in the snow will cause micro fractures. These fractures are more concentrated on sharp edges. Once the microfracture begins, it will spread outwards and nothing can be done to stop it. The endpoints of a crack is the area subjected to higher stress and will propagate unless you drill the crack end points for stress relief. Obviously this isnt possible on something small like ski edges.
By detuning them, you smoothen out the sharp edge and prevent thermal stress fractures from forming. Its materials theory!


The thermal part, while technically true, is probably a miniscule part of the stress concentration on sharp edges. It's mainly just the impact stresses, especially from coming down and landing on rails, that causes the sharp corners to consentrate stresses and cause cracks to form or grow. The frictional heat is probably equal to or less than when you take the skis out of your car and throw them on the snow.
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Daddy5K1***5
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k2 poacher is my recommendation. ON3P (in my experience) gets beat up quick in park. While riding my on3ps I met this guy who had poachers with 140+ days in park on them and they were beat but holding (in comparison I had 10 days on my on3ps and were blown out)... I bought a pair of poachers and so far have had similar experience (bashing them but they still hold together completely).
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TheButterHashira
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driftsjust get osama pros

I am so glad so little has changed on NS
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freestyler540
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ReturnToMonkeyThe thermal part, while technically true, is probably a miniscule part of the stress concentration on sharp edges. It's mainly just the impact stresses, especially from coming down and landing on rails, that causes the sharp corners to consentrate stresses and cause cracks to form or grow. The frictional heat is probably equal to or less than when you take the skis out of your car and throw them on the snow.

Remember that the edges are are thin and steel has a poor heat conductivity property. Heat stress will build first at its finest point, then spread. They get red hot, you can see sparks at night. The snow quenches them, breaking the grain boundary.
Take a good look under the binding of 2+year old skis. They will always have cracks, its the water in them that freeze that cause them to delam there.

Detuning is not a silver bullet, but I always get an extra season out of them when I do.
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Farmville420
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Poachers will last the longest and are the cheapest of the durable park skis. But you will destroy skis hitting rails regardless. A brand new pair of last years poachers are like $400-$500, and you will easily get 2-3 years out of them if you’re just learning.
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KilaTsunami
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skiermanYou fucking suck.


Do u just like, go around collecting downvotes? lol
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Quicksilver1
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Thx for the tip man I rlly appreciate it. Copped some last years line honeybadgers. Poachers will def be the next pair. Going to detune for sure like everyone says
Farmville420Poachers will last the longest and are the cheapest of the durable park skis. But you will destroy skis hitting rails regardless. A brand new pair of last years poachers are like $400-$500, and you will easily get 2-3 years out of them if you’re just learning.
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