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Rails r destroying my skis

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Quicksilver1
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Hey guys new to the community and stoked to be here.

Been through two pairs of Line Bacons the last two years. Was more focusing on all mountain but now I am primarily riding park. Last year a sidewall blew out and I was able to get this years model under warranty. The top of this years model are separating from the edges after 15~ days on them (from an impact). Looking for a very durable park ski so I don’t have to shell out money for more pairs. Something that can take bigger spins and jumps but also very durable for rails. Looking into Honeybadgers because they are cheaper but hear a lot of good stuff about ON3Ps. Any advice would be appreciated.
Jan 26 2022 12:02AM
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drifts
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just get osama pros
Jan 26 2022 12:06AM
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Toopexd
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Badgers would probably get destroyed even faster than the bacons…

I’m on my third season with my k2 poachers, just a couple of edge cracks. My friends ride armadas and they have been pretty solid as well. K2s or armadas would also be a lot cheaper than on3p.
Jan 26 2022 12:09AM
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Abomber22
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or quit using skis in unnatural habitats
ToopexdBadgers would probably get destroyed even faster than the bacons…

I’m on my third season with my k2 poachers, just a couple of edge cracks. My friends ride armadas and they have been pretty solid as well. K2s or armadas would also be a lot cheaper than on3p.
Jan 26 2022 12:16AM
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Quicksilver1
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what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much
ToopexdBadgers would probably get destroyed even faster than the bacons…

I’m on my third season with my k2 poachers, just a couple of edge cracks. My friends ride armadas and they have been pretty solid as well. K2s or armadas would also be a lot cheaper than on3p.
Jan 26 2022 12:46AM
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drifts
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Quicksilver1what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much


just a heads up youre going to break a lot of skis no matter what you buy thats just life. to extend the life of a ski detune the edge under foot, try to land smoother, and epoxy the edge cracks
Jan 26 2022 12:51AM
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Toopexd
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Quicksilver1what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much


Well for example the arv line has lots of options, just pick the one that sounds good to you!
Jan 26 2022 12:55AM
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TreeJam
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Abomber22or quit using skis in unnatural habitats


What is a skis natural habitat?
Jan 26 2022 2:35AM
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Abomber22
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snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic
TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?
Jan 26 2022 6:39AM
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CatdickBojangles
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic


You do realize what website this is right?

OP did you detune your edges before hitting rails?
Jan 26 2022 7:33AM
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BearsOnKetamine
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Vishnus are stupid durable I’m sure you can find some on buy/sell
Quicksilver1Hey guys new to the community and stoked to be here.

Been through two pairs of Line Bacons the last two years. Was more focusing on all mountain but now I am primarily riding park. Last year a sidewall blew out and I was able to get this years model under warranty. The top of this years model are separating from the edges after 15~ days on them (from an impact). Looking for a very durable park ski so I don’t have to shell out money for more pairs. Something that can take bigger spins and jumps but also very durable for rails. Looking into Honeybadgers because they are cheaper but hear a lot of good stuff about ON3Ps. Any advice would be appreciated.
Jan 26 2022 7:37AM
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buck_nasty
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Quicksilver1what armadas would you recommend? Thanks so much


I love my b-dogs and they’ve held up well
Jan 26 2022 7:44AM
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skierman
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I love it when kids are shocked when they find out hitting metal rails and smacking their skis into hard objects damages their skis.


Here's a solution, stay out of the park so your skis can look pretty! Stupid fucking gapers.
Jan 26 2022 7:55AM
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Abomber22
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taking an animal out of its environment, then glorifying it... blasphemy.
CatdickBojanglesYou do realize what website this is right?

OP did you detune your edges before hitting rails?
Jan 26 2022 8:18AM
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Quicksilver1
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CatdickBojanglesYou do realize what website this is right?

OP did you detune your edges before hitting rails?


No I didn’t. Never heard of it until now
Jan 26 2022 9:08AM
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tutipups
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic

Go back to r/skiing we dont want you here
Jan 26 2022 9:23AM
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asparagus
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Quicksilver1No I didn’t. Never heard of it until now


aaaaand we’ve found the problem
Jan 26 2022 10:10AM
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skierman
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Quicksilver1No I didn’t. Never heard of it until now


You fucking suck.
Jan 26 2022 10:16AM
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Murslop
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Air
TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?
Jan 26 2022 10:25AM
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Quicksilver1
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Thanks man really appreciate the support
skiermanYou fucking suck.
Jan 26 2022 10:35AM
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milotv34
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Quicksilver1Thanks man really appreciate the support


dont worry we dont usually pay attention to skierman
Jan 26 2022 10:41AM
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Lippamani
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189 rivers duh.
Jan 26 2022 11:57AM
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FruitBootPro
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Yo I'm sorry but this is just how rail skiing is. Everyone says ON3Ps are super bombproof which I guess makes sense considering that they're made in an indie American factory. You could also buy beater skis on Locals Sale or something. Otherwise I'm not really sure.

Some ski brand needs to make rail skis that are like super cheap and designed to just be bought every so often when they break. Like cheap skateboard bearings. because at the end of the day, skis are inherently weak products and even ON3Ps will get messed up by rails.
Jan 26 2022 12:03PM
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jompcock
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Do you dull your edges?
Jan 26 2022 12:07PM
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dwt802
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Skis will break over time, detune before hitting park to prolong life, which you now know of.
Jan 26 2022 12:39PM
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theabortionator
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Make sure you detune your edges. Csn still fuck your skis up hitting rails but detuning underfoot will save you from a lot of bad things.
Jan 26 2022 1:05PM
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CaIeb
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic


someone can’t lip on b2
Jan 26 2022 1:06PM
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BallZach420
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HG skis, oh shit, nevermind :(
Jan 26 2022 1:33PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?
Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic

What's the best wax for skiing the sun's corona?
Jan 26 2022 2:18PM
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Abomber22
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ReturnToMonkeyWhat's the best wax for skiing the sun's corona?
Jan 26 2022 2:49PM
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SuspiciousFish
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Honestly if I skied park I would just get some nice bindings and troll craigslist for cheap park skis every few years. They are going to get destroyed at the end of the season doing rails anyway. Then keep your nice skis for all mountain riding. You can get about 10-15 seasons out of skis if you treat them right and keep up on waxing and epoxy any topsheet damage.
Jan 26 2022 3:44PM
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BearsOnKetamine
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Bdog edgeless
driftsjust a heads up youre going to break a lot of skis no matter what you buy thats just life. to extend the life of a ski detune the edge under foot, try to land smoother, and epoxy the edge cracks
Jan 26 2022 5:33PM
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Brule.
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save your money and buy a pair of 189 wides for next year
Jan 26 2022 5:36PM
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sexyjulian
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Jan 26 2022 5:54PM
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sexyjulian
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sexyjulian


Wrong thread, my bad fellas
Jan 26 2022 5:56PM
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skiP.E.I.
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You just have to be prepared to go through a lot of skis if you're hitting rails a lot. Try to find used or closeout skis for park and have a nice pair that you don't hit rails with.
Jan 26 2022 6:23PM
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mrk127
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TreeJamWhat is a skis natural habitat?


A playground
Jan 26 2022 8:54PM
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warm_diet_coke
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I’m 3 seasons in on a pair of ARWs, I ski park and all mountain on them and they’re still going strong. Get the male version (ARVs) and define the edges underfoot.
Jan 26 2022 9:30PM
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Quicksilver1
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is this a serious comment? I have a pair of 2018 k2 pinnacles that are 119 underfoot 191 length that I got for stupid cheap but I rarely use them. Would def be willing to beat up but they’re so heavy
Brule.save your money and buy a pair of 189 wides for next year
Jan 27 2022 12:07AM
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Patrickorourke
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Abomber22snow, tree, wind, sun, ....
...not metal/plastic


Don’t be this guy. Enjoy whatever you enjoy
Jan 27 2022 12:28AM
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Canis_lupus
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Armada is a safe bet, they're known for their park skis as well as being pretty durable. Like others have said the ARV is their typical "park" skis but you can also check out their signature series. As for detuning it's basically just dulling the edges on your skis of where you're gonna be sliding, you can find videos on youtube or NS for how to do that. If you're getting a ski purely for park then detuning edges is usually ideal if you wanna slide rails easier.
Jan 27 2022 12:15PM
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iced
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The special secret here is line has bad durability

Im pretty sure wallisch just gets line topsheets put on armadas
Jan 27 2022 1:04PM
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Wyatt_05
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This is why you don’t buy lines
get a pair of Vishnus a pack of ciggies and a sizer of PBR
Jan 27 2022 9:17PM
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freestyler540
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theabortionatorMake sure you detune your edges. Csn still fuck your skis up hitting rails but detuning underfoot will save you from a lot of bad things.

It preserves the ski a bit too. The thermal stress caused by metal on metal friction, then quenching them in the snow will cause micro fractures. These fractures are more concentrated on sharp edges. Once the microfracture begins, it will spread outwards and nothing can be done to stop it. The endpoints of a crack is the area subjected to higher stress and will propagate unless you drill the crack end points for stress relief. Obviously this isnt possible on something small like ski edges.
By detuning them, you smoothen out the sharp edge and prevent thermal stress fractures from forming. Its materials theory!
Jan 28 2022 10:04AM
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ReturnToMonkey
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freestyler540It preserves the ski a bit too. The thermal stress caused by metal on metal friction, then quenching them in the snow will cause micro fractures. These fractures are more concentrated on sharp edges. Once the microfracture begins, it will spread outwards and nothing can be done to stop it. The endpoints of a crack is the area subjected to higher stress and will propagate unless you drill the crack end points for stress relief. Obviously this isnt possible on something small like ski edges.
By detuning them, you smoothen out the sharp edge and prevent thermal stress fractures from forming. Its materials theory!


The thermal part, while technically true, is probably a miniscule part of the stress concentration on sharp edges. It's mainly just the impact stresses, especially from coming down and landing on rails, that causes the sharp corners to consentrate stresses and cause cracks to form or grow. The frictional heat is probably equal to or less than when you take the skis out of your car and throw them on the snow.
Jan 28 2022 1:03PM
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Angioedema
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k2 poacher is my recommendation. ON3P (in my experience) gets beat up quick in park. While riding my on3ps I met this guy who had poachers with 140+ days in park on them and they were beat but holding (in comparison I had 10 days on my on3ps and were blown out)... I bought a pair of poachers and so far have had similar experience (bashing them but they still hold together completely).
Jan 28 2022 2:21PM
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TheButterHashira
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driftsjust get osama pros

I am so glad so little has changed on NS
Jan 28 2022 3:37PM
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freestyler540
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ReturnToMonkeyThe thermal part, while technically true, is probably a miniscule part of the stress concentration on sharp edges. It's mainly just the impact stresses, especially from coming down and landing on rails, that causes the sharp corners to consentrate stresses and cause cracks to form or grow. The frictional heat is probably equal to or less than when you take the skis out of your car and throw them on the snow.

Remember that the edges are are thin and steel has a poor heat conductivity property. Heat stress will build first at its finest point, then spread. They get red hot, you can see sparks at night. The snow quenches them, breaking the grain boundary.
Take a good look under the binding of 2+year old skis. They will always have cracks, its the water in them that freeze that cause them to delam there.

Detuning is not a silver bullet, but I always get an extra season out of them when I do.
Jan 29 2022 12:07AM
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Farmville420
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Poachers will last the longest and are the cheapest of the durable park skis. But you will destroy skis hitting rails regardless. A brand new pair of last years poachers are like $400-$500, and you will easily get 2-3 years out of them if you’re just learning.
Jan 29 2022 1:41PM
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KilaTsunami
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skiermanYou fucking suck.


Do u just like, go around collecting downvotes? lol
Jan 30 2022 11:43PM
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Quicksilver1
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Thx for the tip man I rlly appreciate it. Copped some last years line honeybadgers. Poachers will def be the next pair. Going to detune for sure like everyone says
Farmville420Poachers will last the longest and are the cheapest of the durable park skis. But you will destroy skis hitting rails regardless. A brand new pair of last years poachers are like $400-$500, and you will easily get 2-3 years out of them if you’re just learning.
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