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Boot sole ISO spec compatibility?

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Nigels802
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Heyo,
So last year I got into BC stuff and bought a pair of tech compatible boots (Salomon Shift Pro 130’s) and some Marker Kingpins. At the time my quiver of one skis were light enough that I pulled my old Rossignol FKS 120’s off of them and swapped the Kingpins on. This year I bought new dedicated AT skis and want to put my Kingpins on those and put my FKS’s back on my old skis. Cue me realizing that I don’t know much about boot/binding standards.

1. Everywhere I can see, the Shift Pro 130 boot soles are listed as “ISO 9523, Gripwalk” compatible… does this mean BOTH ISO 9523 AND Gripwalk (ISO 23223) compatible? Or are they describing different things?

2. I think I’ve come to terms that my old FKS bindings are not compatible with the Shift Pro boots, since the FKS are (AFAICT) listed as WTR and Alpine ISO 5355 compatible only. Can anyone confirm?

3. I really like the design of the Look Pivot/Rossi FKS bindings and I trust them. The new Look Pivot 15’s are listed as both ISO 5355 AND Gripwalk compatible. Would picking up a pair of Pivot 15's work with the Shift Pro 130 boots?

Appreciate any guidance you can give!

Links to referenced gear:
Salomon Shift Pro 130 boots: https://www.evo.com/alpine-touring-ski-boots/salomon-shift-pro-130?image=183532/734167/salomon-shift-pro-130-alpine-touring-ski-boots-2022-.jpg&gclid=CjwKCAiAlfqOBhAeEiwAYi43FyLDGWRLIxnP4Q5y_o7S0NyRTzFxUMan1h0DW2K4aEv8WIzz_MG_8xoCqGUQAvD_BwE
Rossignol FKS 120 old bindings: https://www.evo.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/rossignol-fks-120
Look Pivot 15 bindings: https://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-bindings/look-pivot-15-gw
Jan 12 2022 3:37PM
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animator
Posts: 4546 - Karma: 26,202
Nigels802Heyo,
So last year I got into BC stuff and bought a pair of tech compatible boots (Salomon Shift Pro 130’s) and some Marker Kingpins. At the time my quiver of one skis were light enough that I pulled my old Rossignol FKS 120’s off of them and swapped the Kingpins on. This year I bought new dedicated AT skis and want to put my Kingpins on those and put my FKS’s back on my old skis. Cue me realizing that I don’t know much about boot/binding standards.

1. Everywhere I can see, the Shift Pro 130 boot soles are listed as “ISO 9523, Gripwalk” compatible… does this mean BOTH ISO 9523 AND Gripwalk (ISO 23223) compatible? Or are they describing different things?

2. I think I’ve come to terms that my old FKS bindings are not compatible with the Shift Pro boots, since the FKS are (AFAICT) listed as WTR and Alpine ISO 5355 compatible only. Can anyone confirm?

3. I really like the design of the Look Pivot/Rossi FKS bindings and I trust them. The new Look Pivot 15’s are listed as both ISO 5355 AND Gripwalk compatible. Would picking up a pair of Pivot 15's work with the Shift Pro 130 boots?

Appreciate any guidance you can give!

Links to referenced gear:
Salomon Shift Pro 130 boots: https://www.evo.com/alpine-touring-ski-boots/salomon-shift-pro-130?image=183532/734167/salomon-shift-pro-130-alpine-touring-ski-boots-2022-.jpg&gclid=CjwKCAiAlfqOBhAeEiwAYi43FyLDGWRLIxnP4Q5y_o7S0NyRTzFxUMan1h0DW2K4aEv8WIzz_MG_8xoCqGUQAvD_BwE
Rossignol FKS 120 old bindings: https://www.evo.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/rossignol-fks-120
Look Pivot 15 bindings: https://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-bindings/look-pivot-15-gw


The norms are as follows:
5355. Flat soles, any typical downhill boot is usually 5355.

GripWalk 9523. GripWalk will be stamped as GripWalk. These are not the same as the last norm.

9523. Alpine Touring soles. Think Dynafit, Scarpa, La Sportiva. These look more like the bottoms of hiking boots than ski boots. These will work with tech/pin bindings, Salomon Shift, Marker Duke PT, and VERY FEW alpine bindings.

Your boots are GripWalk. They will not work with your old FKS. The new Pivot 12/14/15/18 that is stamped GripWalk WILL TAKE your boot. Must have GripWalk on it to be compatible with your boot.

TLDR
New Pivot 12/14/15/18 will work with your boot, current FKS will not.
Jan 12 2022 4:09PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Don't hold me to it as I'm not a pivot expert by any means but it may be possible to swap out the AFD on your old pivots with a GripWalk compatible version.
Jan 12 2022 4:58PM
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tomPietrowski
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Not quite right.

alpine in 5355 as you stated. This is the older traditional flat sole it is becoming less standard but most alpine boots still have the option to change soles to this type.


Gripwalk 23223 This is becoming the new standard for alpine boots. Nearly all new alpine bindings work with this sole type and 5355 soles

9523 this is the alpine touring norm it is often a rubber sole but there are strict standards to follow in the heel and toe area for lug spacing. This spacing allows the soles to work in many alpine bindings. Some of the only bindings it will not work in are pivot 15 and 18 of the newer bindings

Touring soles. These do not confirm to any iso standard. They are used on many lighter end touring boots. They will not work with many alpine bindings.
animatorThe norms are as follows:
5355. Flat soles, any typical downhill boot is usually 5355.

GripWalk 9523. GripWalk will be stamped as GripWalk. These are not the same as the last norm.

9523. Alpine Touring soles. Think Dynafit, Scarpa, La Sportiva. These look more like the bottoms of hiking boots than ski boots. These will work with tech/pin bindings, Salomon Shift, Marker Duke PT, and VERY FEW alpine bindings.

Your boots are GripWalk. They will not work with your old FKS. The new Pivot 12/14/15/18 that is stamped GripWalk WILL TAKE your boot. Must have GripWalk on it to be compatible with your boot.

TLDR
New Pivot 12/14/15/18 will work with your boot, current FKS will not.

op with the shift boot you will be good with any gripwalk binding.

**This post was edited on Jan 12th 2022 at 5:31:05pm
Jan 12 2022 5:29PM
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