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How can we prevent China from infiltrating the sport?

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@LANTASKI
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in preparation for the upcoming Olympia, this seems like an apt subject to discuss.

The Chinese have no concept of the roots of the sport. They dont know about Poor Boyz Productions, C Crew, WSKI 106, Old Newschoolers, Teddy Bear Crisis, Freeze Magazine or the orher myriad of influences thet helped draf freeskiing into the (unfortunate ?/ mainstream) position its currently in

Chinese Skiers (on the national team) arent “skiers”. They are gymnasts who were taught how to ski greens and land aerial tricks

The Chinese are very cunning - By leveraging their gymnastics prowess they will begin to demand more influence within FREESKIING especially within the FIS judging ranks- this is a serious problem.

The traditional skiing nations : US, Canada, our European Friends , Japan, ANZACs need to band together and shut them out of the sport

**This thread was edited on Jan 2nd 2022 at 10:27:24am
Jan 2 2022 10:23AM
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NikolaB73
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China isn't core
Jan 2 2022 10:25AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I got bad news for you, guy…. You’re too late.
Jan 2 2022 10:37AM
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Icant_kfed
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We give David wise a buzz cut, and send him abroad to learn their secret tactics
Jan 2 2022 10:41AM
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Abomber22
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BradFiAusNzCoCaI got bad news for you, guy…. You’re too late.



Jan 2 2022 10:43AM
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sindreplassen
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Dude very few people under 20 who ski today know anything about poor boyz or freeze magazine, it’s not just people from china
Jan 2 2022 10:53AM
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@LANTASKI
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i think those numbers are very suspect to flat out wrong.

Also Chinese economy is floundering and a massive economic contraction looks imminent for 2022. Given what we know about the propsensity of ghost development over there, Who knows how many truly operational ski areas there are??
Jan 2 2022 10:53AM
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jakeordie
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1024838/Talladega-Nights-Bar-Scene
Jan 2 2022 11:20AM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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NikolaB73China isn't core


When the difference between core and not core is china freestyle puling up to the olympics with vinshu, solider pants and empire gloves, it makes you question what core really is.
Jan 2 2022 11:47AM
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Jems
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i see nothing wrong with there being an emergence of chinese skiers but i find it funny faction gave eileen a pro model before alex hall solely to sell them to the chinese i’m guessing
Jan 2 2022 11:51AM
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armchair_skier
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There should have a SLVSH game between A Hall and whatever super comp robot skier person the CCP has created.

Basically Rocky IV but w skiing
Jan 2 2022 12:04PM
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theabortionator
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Still better than Eswany
Jan 2 2022 12:29PM
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DesertStix
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Alex hall been riding his pro model. Did Eileen get one last year or something? I admit I don’t really follow her
Jemsi see nothing wrong with there being an emergence of chinese skiers but i find it funny faction gave eileen a pro model before alex hall solely to sell them to the chinese i’m guessing
Jan 2 2022 12:30PM
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asparagus
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We all learn Mandarin and invite the Chinese to Newschoolers
Jan 2 2022 12:33PM
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CowboySkibop
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Im anti-china as much as the next guy but this smells kinda racist
Jan 2 2022 12:34PM
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hoodratz47
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Even Chinese food.???
CrunnchyPissFartIm anti-china as much as the next guy but this smells kinda racist
Jan 2 2022 12:37PM
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CowboySkibop
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hoodratz47Even Chinese food.???


Shiiiit I didn't think about that, always gonna love Chinese food
Jan 2 2022 12:40PM
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Jems
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DesertStixAlex hall been riding his pro model. Did Eileen get one last year or something? I admit I don’t really follow her


she had one a while ago and i remember seeing people talk about it being so faction can sell in china. this was well before the whole olympic controversy.
Jan 2 2022 12:40PM
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@LANTASKI
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CrunnchyPissFartIm anti-china as much as the next guy but this smells kinda racist


how is it racist ? Clearly the beef is with thr govt/society which is a big fucking problem- not the people.

In fact, I made a point to highlight how Japan has a great and storied freeski culture that goes back to Day 1 of the sport.
Jan 2 2022 1:11PM
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CowboySkibop
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@LANTASKIhow is it racist ? Clearly the beef is with thr govt/society which is a big fucking problem- not the people.

In fact, I made a point to highlight how Japan has a great and storied freeski culture that goes back to Day 1 of the sport.


ur right tbh, looking back I just took one part of it wrong, not really racist it just sounded kinda profiley to me

**This post was edited on Jan 2nd 2022 at 1:16:12pm
Jan 2 2022 1:14PM
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Redeem
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NikolaB73China isn't core


This needs to be a bumper sticker
Jan 2 2022 1:48PM
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Christian_Bale
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I got my criticisms of the Chinese government but trying to gatekeep skiing from an entire country is so funny. good luck with that.
Jan 2 2022 1:48PM
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freestyler540
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Well, just be better than the chinese. Make them invest so much into it until they collapse like the cold war
Jan 2 2022 2:20PM
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gravel
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disseminate illegal copies of zoot space within china to undermine the ccp’s winter sports agenda and birth a new international community
Jan 2 2022 2:40PM
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Jems
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graveldisseminate illegal copies of zoot space within china to undermine the ccp’s winter sports agenda and birth a new international community


holy fuck yes
Jan 2 2022 2:46PM
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johnoble
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graveldisseminate illegal copies of zoot space within china to undermine the ccp’s winter sports agenda and birth a new international community


i want to see thousands of usbs airdropped, when communist party official look to see the propoganda its just boys jumping in pools with skis on
Jan 2 2022 2:48PM
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404404
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The only thing this will effect is comp skiing so it's not an issue to 98% of skiers.

Those numbers are crazy. Almost hard to believe considering China has plenty of economic problems and that's an insane amount of capital to make it happen.
Jan 2 2022 3:39PM
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r00kie
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Thought this would be about doung business with China and their powers that be exploiting the sport for money through production and comps. All of which I'm down to avoid. But nope, you seem to just bash having any presence there cause 'core' or some shit. Its not the fault of the Chinese people that outside media is extremely restricted and they can't see ski movies and shoot the bull on NS. I'm just glad to hear there's a scene at all over there and hopefully someday it will be easiler to incorporate the skiers and culture into the rest of the ski world.
Jan 2 2022 4:12PM
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asparagus
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china isn’t core —> make china core 😤
Jan 2 2022 4:19PM
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NikolaB73
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RedeemThis needs to be a bumper sticker


on it
Jan 2 2022 5:16PM
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Timby
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How can we prevent the Chinese state from infiltrating the sport***
Jan 2 2022 6:11PM
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AndrewGravesSV
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@LANTASKIhow is it racist ? Clearly the beef is with thr govt/society which is a big fucking problem- not the people.

In fact, I made a point to highlight how Japan has a great and storied freeski culture that goes back to Day 1 of the sport.

"The Chinese are cunning and all good gymnasts" then you go on to describe them like parasites trying to infiltrate comp skiing.

That's racist bro

If we're bringing up freeskiing history then why even give a fuck about FIS judges and how there will be more comp robots. We're already there with kids in ski academies and that's always been a complaint about comps. I'd rather be stoked that the sport is growing a bunch and look forward to the ski counterculture that will develop in china after some kids get their hands on pbp or zootspace or whatever
Jan 2 2022 6:12PM
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@LANTASKI
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its literally not … Its referring to the “State”. Also Chinese isnt even a race .. its a blanket sttement for a nationality made up of hudreds of different ethnic groups. Nationality does not equal race

you could argue you are the racist for automatically referring to the construct of Chinese as just being Han Chinese
Jan 2 2022 6:31PM
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*TURBONERD*
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@LANTASKIits literally not … Its referring to the “State”. Also Chinese isnt even a race .. its a blanket sttement for a nationality made up of hudreds of different ethnic groups. Nationality does not equal race

you could argue you are the racist for automatically referring to the construct of Chinese as just being Han Chinese

Weird, I don’t see any reference to the state in your OP. It’s almost like you wanted to let certain people be able to interpret what you’re trying to say if they know what to look for without saying it outright and maintaining plausible deniability. Almost like… a dog whistle? I wonder if that’s a tactic bigots have used before.
That might be giving you too much credit, though. The ‘cunning’ inclusion is either overt racism or lazy trolling if we’re being realistic. I’m looking forward to your next ban.
Jan 2 2022 6:45PM
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@LANTASKI
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*TURBONERD*Weird, I don’t see any reference to the state in your OP. It’s almost like you wanted to let certain people be able to interpret what you’re trying to say if they know what to look for without saying it outright and maintaining plausible deniability. Almost like… a dog whistle? I wonder if that’s a tactic bigots have used before.
That might be giving you too much credit, though. The ‘cunning’ inclusion is either overt racism or lazy trolling if we’re being realistic. I’m looking forward to your next ban.


because you would have to a cretin to infer otherwise Dr Snowflake
Jan 2 2022 6:55PM
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gravel
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@LANTASKIbecause you would have to a cretin to infer otherwise Dr Snowflake


nice one snowflake is such a good insult
Jan 2 2022 7:16PM
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*TURBONERD*
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@LANTASKIbecause you would have to a cretin to infer otherwise Dr Snowflake


So you’re saying that yes, what you’re intending to imply is racist, but doubling down on it being correct despite it just being based on racist assumptions and having nothing to do with anything any cohered group or subgroup of Chinese people or the Chinese state has attempted to do? I guess you deserve a bit more credit for at least owning your beliefs but fuck off and die all the same.
Jan 2 2022 7:19PM
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musclehamster
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Props to mentioning C Crew!
Jan 2 2022 7:23PM
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@LANTASKI
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musclehamsterProps to mentioning C Crew!


C Crew forever
Jan 2 2022 7:36PM
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@LANTASKI
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*TURBONERD*So you’re saying that yes, what you’re intending to imply is racist, but doubling down on it being correct despite it just being based on racist assumptions and having nothing to do with anything any cohered group or subgroup of Chinese people or the Chinese state has attempted to do? I guess you deserve a bit more credit for at least owning your beliefs but fuck off and die all the same.

Again, this is just word salad with no meaning.

It makes no sense , I would be stoked on the Taiwanese Free Ski team or the Ughyr SkiMo Team (probably would be pretty good with training).


You Sound very ignorant and hateful man. Get help.
Jan 2 2022 7:39PM
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timdrachan
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I despise the ccp but yall really scared of their comp robots when matej is in the scene? bro learned triples on a snowboard the day he started boarding
Jan 2 2022 8:05PM
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alexhallsdad
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ok but eileen gu is hot so
Jan 2 2022 9:16PM
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maaattt
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This shit stupid
Jan 2 2022 9:20PM
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Smuffy
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TRVP_ANGELWhen the difference between core and not core is china freestyle puling up to the olympics with vinshu, solider pants and empire gloves, it makes you question what core really is.


You wanna know some real crazy ski industry shit? One of China's current head coaches used to live at the house where @VISHNU was founded, and when it was still run out of the basement.
Jan 2 2022 9:30PM
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Smuffy
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SmuffyYou wanna know some real crazy ski industry shit? One of China's current head coaches used to live at the house where @VISHNU was founded, and when it was still run out of the basement.

Spot the Chinese coach, we filmed this edit was made while Vishnu was being created

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/702285/Joint-Pains-Volume-3--Research-Chemicals
Jan 2 2022 10:05PM
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Static
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Damn from 130 to 770 ski areas in not even 20 years. I wonder how many north America has opened in that time period, half a dozen?
Jan 2 2022 10:08PM
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*TURBONERD*
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*TURBONERD*So you’re saying that yes, what you’re intending to imply is racist, but doubling down on it being correct despite it just being based on racist assumptions and having nothing to do with anything any cohered group or subgroup of Chinese people or the Chinese state has attempted to do? I guess you deserve a bit more credit for at least owning your beliefs but fuck off and die all the same.


@LANTASKIAgain, this is just word salad with no meaning.

It makes no sense , I would be stoked on the Taiwanese Free Ski team or the Ughyr SkiMo Team (probably would be pretty good with training).


You Sound very ignorant and hateful man. Get help.

Your apparent inability to understand what I'm saying doesn't mean it's meaningless.
Jan 2 2022 10:18PM
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Jems
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SmuffyYou wanna know some real crazy ski industry shit? One of China's current head coaches used to live at the house where @VISHNU was founded, and when it was still run out of the basement.

i kind of want to say that’s an L but i mean idk shit
Jan 2 2022 10:24PM
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gravel
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Jemsi kind of want to say that’s an L but i mean idk shit


new foreign teams will hire former pros/pro ams/etc whatever from countries with more established ski scenes. i have three american friends who either were or are coaches for the chinese national ski team. so smuff aint cappin
Jan 2 2022 11:36PM
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Segsxi
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China has more money to throw at this than any core lot of skiers would ever dream of they will be opened into taking over the “freeskiing” brand with open arms

when I worked at a certain resort on Mt Hood they hosted a team of Chinese kids who were training to be future olympians their coach was of course from here in the US… probably a rider we would consider to be “core”

lets be real my guy absolutely noone in an industry like Skiing (and even Snowboarding) will turn down profits, that is the way the sport has been in recent decades.. if anything Vail has become more of a plague on the “core” way of life than the Chinese.
Jan 3 2022 12:21AM
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Segsxi
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Simply put the chinese are not “infiltrating” the sport, corporate greed is the real plague that is ruining (or has already ruined depending on who you ask) the sport; and to the guys sitting at the top, more skiers (China will be a shit ton more) means more money.
Jan 3 2022 12:23AM
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