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Skiing is dying, but how fast?

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MaimHelp
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Got super fucking bummed out today after skiing tremblant a touristic resort I thought was the shit a couple years ago.


they had like 2 rails up when they used to have like at least 15 plus rails, and trust me they got enough snow to have some more fun parks.

tourism and rich ass boomers are ruining the sport and In the pay 3 years I’ve noticed it way more than before. Vail and other corps keep buying resorts, milking them for money, and not putting their money into what people like.

it’s been really irritating me, had my old home resort bought by vail (big boulder) which was absolutely fucked over, heard 7 springs just got bought by vail a few weeks ago, and it seems to just be happening faster and faster

no park funding and crowded ass lift lines making me real bummed
Dec 29 2021 6:24PM 35 3
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Notaskibum
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Vail sold 2.1M passes this year, "skiing" isn't dying. But maybe your idealized version of skiing is waning or evolving.

**This post was edited on Dec 29th 2021 at 6:28:55pm
Dec 29 2021 6:26PM 51 9
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MaimHelp
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NotaskibumVail sold 2.1M passes this year, "skiing" isn't dying.


What real skiers call skiing is dying
Dec 29 2021 6:27PM 53 9
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I remember being in Tremblant this time in like 2007. Their park was fully up and running
Dec 29 2021 7:05PM 16 0
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BrightFrog
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Come to Beaver Creek the Jerrys haven’t discovered it yet
Dec 29 2021 7:57PM 7 0
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Session
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BrightFrogCome to Beaver Creek the Jerrys haven’t discovered it yet


Dolan skis there...too late.
Dec 29 2021 8:03PM 32 0
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hi_vis360
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dude I've never actually been there but I've always heard wack things about tremblant, of course they would do something like this. That might be skewing your perspective
Dec 29 2021 8:11PM 7 0
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Neives_tiddies
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Sums up my feelings about stowe pretty much perfectly
Dec 29 2021 8:15PM 8 0
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hoodratz47
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Rising insurance. Companies taking a Disney approach to running a ski hill. Park rats are not dropping money for 5 family members.. they are buying pbrs and look bindings
Dec 29 2021 8:22PM 38 0
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ericforman
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It’s been a complete shit show in CO this year. I’ve never had a worse time with such an epic storm cycle. They desperately need a more aggressive and enforced traction law. Just driving around ski towns is straight up a nightmare now. The stoke is also at an all low. So many people who can’t ski just complaining and taking up space.
Dec 29 2021 8:23PM 17 0
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halfwatt
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I wouldn't say skiing is dying, I think that the idea of adrenaline and progression is dying though.
Dec 30 2021 12:32AM 3 0
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franticguys
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the streets are free
Dec 30 2021 12:39AM 27 0
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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CO’s always been lax about traction. The only state I’ve ever seen actually turn people away when not properly equipped is California. Every other state says “we reserve the right to sue you” which does nothing.
ericformanIt’s been a complete shit show in CO this year. I’ve never had a worse time with such an epic storm cycle. They desperately need a more aggressive and enforced traction law. Just driving around ski towns is straight up a nightmare now. The stoke is also at an all low. So many people who can’t ski just complaining and taking up space.
Dec 30 2021 1:03AM 4 0
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weatcoast
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franticguysthe streets are free


Unfortunately it’s been 60 and rainy here for the past month. Like almost every day.
Dec 30 2021 1:15AM 9 0
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tutipups
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MaimHelpGot super fucking bummed out today after skiing tremblant a touristic resort I thought was the shit a couple years ago.


they had like 2 rails up when they used to have like at least 15 plus rails, and trust me they got enough snow to have some more fun parks.

tourism and rich ass boomers are ruining the sport and In the pay 3 years I’ve noticed it way more than before. Vail and other corps keep buying resorts, milking them for money, and not putting their money into what people like.

it’s been really irritating me, had my old home resort bought by vail (big boulder) which was absolutely fucked over, heard 7 springs just got bought by vail a few weeks ago, and it seems to just be happening faster and faster

no park funding and crowded ass lift lines making me real bummed


bromont (another resort 1 hour south from montreal) was completely full today all parkings full and it was all fucking tourists
Dec 30 2021 1:18AM 2 1
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Funnel
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hoodratz47Rising insurance. Companies taking a Disney approach to running a ski hill. Park rats are not dropping money for 5 family members.. they are buying pbrs and look bindings


Woah dude, just wanna set the record straight that I buy modelos.

But you pretty much summed it up. ROI on a park isn’t all that great.
Dec 30 2021 2:27AM 14 0
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Jems
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franticguysthe streets are free

best post
Dec 30 2021 2:42AM 9 0
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hoodratz47
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Not gonna lie. Im super envious of that. Mad respect for all the street skiers
franticguysthe streets are free
Dec 30 2021 3:31AM 4 0
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Buckleys
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franticguysthe streets are free

the streets are free
Dec 30 2021 3:39AM 3 0
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Abomber22
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Real park skiing is your beef, don't conflate the two
MaimHelpWhat real skiers call skiing is dying
Dec 30 2021 6:50AM 5 0
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r00kie
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NotaskibumVail sold 2.1M passes this year, "skiing" isn't dying. But maybe your idealized version of skiing is waning or evolving.

**This post was edited on Dec 29th 2021 at 6:28:55pm


From a numbers or business perspective skiing is bigger than ever, its just growing in a different, more profitable, market segment than the 2000s. As with most things, everything comes full circle. Skiing was more of a posh, high end activity pre snowboard and now we seem to be cycling back to that post peak of parks and younger folks diving into it.
Dec 30 2021 7:36AM 1 0
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sexyjulian
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Idk man.. my hills the best it’s ever been. 3 parks, both free ride zones open, 68 inches of snow already and hardly any tourists this year
Dec 30 2021 8:21AM 2 1
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Abomber22
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fix up the spare room, packing
sexyjulianIdk man.. my hills the best it’s ever been. 3 parks, both free ride zones open, 68 inches of snow already and hardly any tourists this year
Dec 30 2021 8:43AM 0 0
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sexyjulian
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Abomber22fix up the spare room, packing


Ok dinners in the stove for when u get in
Dec 30 2021 8:56AM 0 0
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partyandBS
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I cannot stress this enough

all these cry baby post are pointless and will never change the direction of skiing. If you want change then you have to make the business case for it backed by data.

also there are places doubling down on park and action sports. Woodwards have been poppin up all over the place in the last 10 years. Finding successes like this plus compiling your own data that paints the picture for a better guest experience with better parks is what needs to happen.

Stop wasting energy throwing pitty parties on the internet and go fuckin do something about it.
Dec 30 2021 9:23AM 9 1
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partyandBS
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hoodratz47Rising insurance. Companies taking a Disney approach to running a ski hill. Park rats are not dropping money for 5 family members.. they are buying pbrs and look bindings


Insurance is actually significantly cheaper for a ski resort than an amusement park thanks to the skier safety act which includes terrain parks. Its awesome! America is thirsty to sue people so having this act is huge for the industry.
Dec 30 2021 9:26AM 3 0
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Abomber22
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There are companies that specialize in building playgrounds.
Instead of the PTA trying to do it, they hire pros.

Is there anything out there like that for parks?
Somma yous should funnel your trust funds into a startup, go national, and build parks errywhere.
Dec 30 2021 9:32AM 2 1
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PeteMahn
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Abomber22There are companies that specialize in building playgrounds.
Instead of the PTA trying to do it, they hire pros.

Is there anything out there like that for parks?
Somma yous should funnel your trust funds into a startup, go national, and build parks errywhere.


So for big comps SPT is the big dog. They build the park for X games and used to for Dew Tour. I'm not sure if they did Dew Tour this year; I know they helped but Woodward was involved with them.
https://snowparktech.com/about-us-3/action-sport-events/

https://snowparktech.com/
Dec 30 2021 9:48AM 1 0
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PackBombs
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It’s Jerry’s world now and we’re just living in it
Dec 30 2021 9:48AM 9 0
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Abomber22
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Ok
Was thinking smaller, for local areas, but business plans are a bitch
PeteMahnSo for big comps SPT is the big dog. They build the park for X games and used to for Dew Tour. I'm not sure if they did Dew Tour this year; I know they helped but Woodward was involved with them.
https://snowparktech.com/about-us-3/action-sport-events/

https://snowparktech.com/
Dec 30 2021 9:50AM 0 0
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PeteMahn
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Abomber22Ok
Was thinking smaller, for local areas, but business plans are a bitch


That's a niche market but with no one in it that makes great room for growth. You would need to understand the market plus have experience building a park or someone who you would pay to build it. Would be a perfect side hustle for an existing terrain park manager/ builder.
Dec 30 2021 10:00AM 0 0
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DesertStix
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Dolan actually skis?
SessionDolan skis there...too late.
Dec 30 2021 10:13AM 3 0
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clindblomskier
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TLDR OP went skiing during the holidays and other people dared to use the mountain

Maybe I’m just spoiled because my local hill has rails up from opening day to closing day
Dec 30 2021 10:33AM 1 0
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hoodratz47
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Skier safety act? Never heard of that..
partyandBSInsurance is actually significantly cheaper for a ski resort than an amusement park thanks to the skier safety act which includes terrain parks. Its awesome! America is thirsty to sue people so having this act is huge for the industry.
Dec 30 2021 10:38AM 0 0
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ReturnToMonkey
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franticguysthe streets are free

Tfw I see dozens and dozens of good spots in the Denver area every day but it's dry as my sex life
Dec 30 2021 10:44AM 2 0
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FruitBootPro
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NotaskibumVail sold 2.1M passes this year, "skiing" isn't dying. But maybe your idealized version of skiing is waning or evolving.

**This post was edited on Dec 29th 2021 at 6:28:55pm


MaimHelpWhat real skiers call skiing is dying


Ok, so you basically just proved his point OP
Dec 30 2021 10:48AM 0 0
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FruitBootPro
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hi_vis360dude I've never actually been there but I've always heard wack things about tremblant, of course they would do something like this. That might be skewing your perspective


guys one mountain i know axed their park so all of skiing (read: freeskiing) must be dying
Dec 30 2021 10:50AM 4 0
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partyandBS
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hoodratz47Skier safety act? Never heard of that..




i mean it started in CO in 1979 but utah didnt adopt it until 2012 and idk if others still dont have it so its not as unreasonable for someone whos been on NS for 17 years to not be aware as I originally thought lol.

In CO the liability a resort has is extremely low as skiing accidents are covered under the act an their are inherent risks associated with skiing and it was revised to include terrain parks too.
Dec 30 2021 10:58AM 2 0
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Lonely
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It's a pendulum man relax
Dec 30 2021 11:05AM 2 1
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Looks like you’re getting sex this weekend then
ReturnToMonkeyTfw I see dozens and dozens of good spots in the Denver area every day but it's dry as my sex life
Dec 30 2021 11:24AM 0 0
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hoodratz47
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It's not a thing in Oregon. Fuck we don't have to have safety bars on chairs
partyandBS

i mean it started in CO in 1979 but utah didnt adopt it until 2012 and idk if others still dont have it so its not as unreasonable for someone whos been on NS for 17 years to not be aware as I originally thought lol.

In CO the liability a resort has is extremely low as skiing accidents are covered under the act an their are inherent risks associated with skiing and it was revised to include terrain parks too.
Dec 30 2021 11:28AM 0 0
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DesertStix
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Google is tight





hoodratz47It's not a thing in Oregon. Fuck we don't have to have safety bars on chairs
Dec 30 2021 11:31AM 1 0
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CammyP
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If you are in an area with no snow right now and you have $300 and some time, build a dry ski setup. Its not super complex and can help fill in the gaps when you can't go to the mountain and there is no snow on the ground.
Dec 30 2021 11:31AM 1 0
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ReturnToMonkey
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BradFiAusNzCoCaLooks like you’re getting sex this weekend then

Ooh who wants to hit urban w me on New Years Eve
Dec 30 2021 12:30PM 3 0
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I would join but I’m spending NYE in Idaho springs and skiing ⛷
ReturnToMonkeyOoh who wants to hit urban w me on New Years Eve
Dec 30 2021 12:33PM 1 0
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The.Fish
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Idk ive noticed the park scene growing at the midwest resorts around here. Sure some of the resorts are shrinking the parks, but we have a massive wave of 13-18 year olds who are getting very good very quickly.
Dec 30 2021 12:55PM 1 0
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MaimHelp
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The.FishIdk ive noticed the park scene growing at the midwest resorts around here. Sure some of the resorts are shrinking the parks, but we have a massive wave of 13-18 year olds who are getting very good very quickly.


Yeah I’ve noticed that too from insta edits, so many cold kids popping up everywhere there
Dec 30 2021 12:56PM 1 0
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The.Fish
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MaimHelpYeah I’ve noticed that too from insta edits, so many cold kids popping up everywhere there


We are at the point where kids are hiking to get dub swap combos and 3 swap combos. It is insane. I used to think a kfed was an elite level trick when I was growing up.
Dec 30 2021 12:59PM 1 0
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Jammoo
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MaimHelpGot super fucking bummed out today after skiing tremblant a touristic resort I thought was the shit a couple years ago.


they had like 2 rails up when they used to have like at least 15 plus rails, and trust me they got enough snow to have some more fun parks.

tourism and rich ass boomers are ruining the sport and In the pay 3 years I’ve noticed it way more than before. Vail and other corps keep buying resorts, milking them for money, and not putting their money into what people like.

it’s been really irritating me, had my old home resort bought by vail (big boulder) which was absolutely fucked over, heard 7 springs just got bought by vail a few weeks ago, and it seems to just be happening faster and faster

no park funding and crowded ass lift lines making me real bummed


Skiing in tahoe is almost fully ruined due to tourons from the bay and vail owning half the resorts
Dec 30 2021 1:05PM 1 0
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hoodratz47
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Colorados seems more like protection for the area. Where Oregon is more about the individual
DesertStixGoogle is tight


Dec 30 2021 1:11PM 0 0
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