Adjusting forward lean with binding risers plates

What bindings do you have?

BiffbarfWhat bindings do you have?

When I do this it will be marker Griffon or Jester, rn I have a shit ass pair of warden 13 demo on the skis

mrk127When I do this it will be marker Griffon or Jester, rn I have a shit ass pair of warden 13 demo on the skis

Your current demo bindings have a fairly high stand height like most demos and the ramp on regular Wardens is about 3.5mm(heel 3.5mm higher than toe) and although the Griffon/Jesters would have a lower overall stand height they are still around 4mm of ramp.

If you move to Attacks you move lower overall again with about a 2.5mm ramp after adjustment or go to a Pivot which have only 1mm of ramp and are just a hair higher overall than Attacks. The lower overall height and ramp of either of these 2 might be perfect without fussing with shims.

What you're talking about would change the ramp angle of your bindings, which lots of folks do for lots of reasons. It wouldn't change your forward lean though.

The forward lean of your boots is the angle of the cuff to vertical, or, to put it another way, the angle of the cuff in relation to the flat bottom of the boot. So adjusting the ramp of your bindings will tip that cuff back up, closer to vertical, but it will also tip the rest of your boot up as well, so the angle of your leg, ankle, and foot bones will all still be the same in relation to each other. For me at least, boots with too much forward lean in the cuff crush my ankle bones because they're messed up, and make the boot very uncomfortable. But adjusting my ramp won't fix that, you need to address the root of the issue.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it's not as simple of a fix as it might seem. A good boot fitter can help you out with whatever is going on with your boots, or help you figure out what size shim to run under your toes, but just shimming the toes willy-nilly probably isn't going to get you anywhere useful.

cydwhitWhat you're talking about would change the ramp angle of your bindings, which lots of folks do for lots of reasons. It wouldn't change your forward lean though.

The forward lean of your boots is the angle of the cuff to vertical, or, to put it another way, the angle of the cuff in relation to the flat bottom of the boot. So adjusting the ramp of your bindings will tip that cuff back up, closer to vertical, but it will also tip the rest of your boot up as well, so the angle of your leg, ankle, and foot bones will all still be the same in relation to each other. For me at least, boots with too much forward lean in the cuff crush my ankle bones because they're messed up, and make the boot very uncomfortable. But adjusting my ramp won't fix that, you need to address the root of the issue.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it's not as simple of a fix as it might seem. A good boot fitter can help you out with whatever is going on with your boots, or help you figure out what size shim to run under your toes, but just shimming the toes willy-nilly probably isn't going to get you anywhere useful.

I appreciate the input, you’re right I’m not really changing the forward lean. But I really don’t want to, my boot fits me perfectly I like the forward lean of it especially for all my other skis, I’m kinda just looking to just affect the performance of my park skis. Should have titled the thread “adjusting ramp angle with binding risers”

Greg_KYour current demo bindings have a fairly high stand height like most demos and the ramp on regular Wardens is about 3.5mm(heel 3.5mm higher than toe) and although the Griffon/Jesters would have a lower overall stand height they are still around 4mm of ramp.

If you move to Attacks you move lower overall again with about a 2.5mm ramp after adjustment or go to a Pivot which have only 1mm of ramp and are just a hair higher overall than Attacks. The lower overall height and ramp of either of these 2 might be perfect without fussing with shims.

Ah pivots would be perfect, too bad I already have an extra pair of markers rn, probably gonna try and shim my griffons flat ramp and see how it feels

Send marker an email and see if they have a prefab riser they can sell you.

dolanslebensraumSend marker an email and see if they have a prefab riser they can sell you.

Oh actually? Doesn't seem like something a binding company would do. You know is it a plastic riser?

mrk127Alright here is my idea, I have Head raptors and I love the boot but I feel like it has a tad too much forward lean for park but I love how to boot skis on the rest of the mountain so I don't want to do a cuff modification. So I'm thinking I could make a few mm riser plate out of plastic to mount under the binding toes to effectively decrease the forward lean angle of my boots. Obviously I'm gonna need longer binding screws but I think I'm going to install QuiverKiller inserts in the ski anyways so it would be pretty easy to just get some longer machine screws. Anyone think this will work well or has anyone done this?

Just met with my fitter last week, I have a similar issue with the FT B&E gonna check on adjusting the boot but he said he didn’t think he could. He actually did suggest this as a potential. He recommended I first try duct tape (12 layers thick) on my toe piece to see if that would help, and if I liked to have a shop shim my front binding 3mm. FYI my boots are otherwise comfortable and he gave me the okay so I’m not sure if it’s what you need and I haven’t tried 👍🏼

Graham0596Just met with my fitter last week, I have a similar issue with the FT B&E gonna check on adjusting the boot but he said he didn’t think he could. He actually did suggest this as a potential. He recommended I first try duct tape (12 layers thick) on my toe piece to see if that would help, and if I liked to have a shop shim my front binding 3mm. FYI my boots are otherwise comfortable and he gave me the okay so I’m not sure if it’s what you need and I haven’t tried 👍🏼

You should have a good bit of adjustment on your forward lean. I think it’s 10-14 on those boots. Are you trying to go less than 10?