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Kartel 108 for east coast?

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Tannerhalscousin
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I want to cop an all-mountain ski that I can butter but still hold up ripping fast all mountain ski. I'm not too worried about the park because I got wets for that. I will spend most of the time in the park when it's icy asf on the east coast so I'm not to concerned about their performance on ice as I will be using my wets. i will ride these kartels when snow is a bit softer and better for all mountain. want them to hold up on flips and jumps but also want to butter. would the kartel 108 be a good option for this? are there any other skis I should look into? also, I would be mounting them at center if that changes anything. my older skis were the k2 marksman and I loved the flex pattern of those skis, how would the kartel compare to them?
Oct 15 2021 1:59PM
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nOtyRmOm
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all mountains like 90-99 108 is a free ride ski. get a mindbender 99ti if u want it to rip and float. 108 wont carve for shit
Oct 15 2021 2:01PM
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freewillie
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kartels go
Oct 15 2021 2:01PM
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Tannerhalscousin
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nOtyRmOm123all mountains like 90-99 108 is a free ride ski. get a mindbender 99ti if u want it to rip and float. 108 wont carve for shit


when i say all mountain i more so mean going fast on side hits and dropping cliffs and some pow here and there. also I will ski park on them so I'm not concerned about carving to much
Oct 15 2021 2:03PM
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nOtyRmOm
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Tannerhalscousinwhen i say all mountain i more so mean going fast on side hits and dropping cliffs and some pow here and there. also I will ski park on them so I'm not concerned about carving to much


then i might go with the faction candide 4.0 good all mountain ski and still pretty jibby
Oct 15 2021 2:04PM
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Eightsails
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108 might be a tad too wide for east coast depending on snowfall. maybe something like a revolt 104 would suit you better? Also please don't mount Kartels center @iggyskier will commit seppuku if you do. Jeffrey 102 at recommended would also be a little more suitable perhaps.
Oct 15 2021 2:08PM
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Eightsails
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nOtyRmOm123then i might go with the faction candide 4.0 good all mountain ski and still pretty jibby


Also do not get a 118 for east coast unless you're packing a bag to PNW or Japan please dear lord.

**This post was edited on Oct 15th 2021 at 2:11:42pm
Oct 15 2021 2:10PM
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freewillie
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Eightsails108 might be a tad too wide for east coast depending on snowfall. maybe something like a revolt 104 would suit you better? Also please don't mount Kartels center @iggyskier will commit seppuku if you do. Jeffrey 102 at recommended would also be a little more suitable perhaps.


Second this. Why would you center mount the kartels when you already have the wets for center mount activities
Oct 15 2021 2:10PM
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Tannerhalscousin
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EightsailsAlso do not get a 118 for east coast unless you're packing a bag to PNW or Japan please dear lord.

**This post was edited on Oct 15th 2021 at 2:11:42pm


yeah definitely, i got a friend that daily b-chent120. not the move
Oct 15 2021 2:20PM
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r00kie
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I pretty much daily k108s in Michigan. Doesn't mean I should, but I do. Do with this as you please.
Oct 15 2021 2:25PM
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GrandThings
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What you lose in edge control, you will gain in steeze.

108 would be a little wide for me, but if you can ride em, I say go for it. Wide skis look dope as long as you can actually handle them.
Oct 15 2021 2:31PM
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Tannerhalscousin
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freewillieSecond this. Why would you center mount the kartels when you already have the wets for center mount activities


I’m used to it and I think it’s kinda nice to have a balanced ski in air and I’m not prioritizing carving, but I’m open to recommendations.
Oct 15 2021 2:45PM
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Tannerhalscousin
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GrandThingsWhat you lose in edge control, you will gain in steeze.

108 would be a little wide for me, but if you can ride em, I say go for it. Wide skis look dope as long as you can actually handle them.


I Dailed my marksmans on east coast for 2 years so I’m used to a wide ski
Oct 15 2021 2:47PM
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iggyskier
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TannerhalscousinI’m used to it and I think it’s kinda nice to have a balanced ski in air and I’m not prioritizing carving, but I’m open to recommendations.


+2 of recommend is what we like to see but plenty of people don't listen :D
Oct 15 2021 2:47PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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TannerhalscousinI Dailed my marksmans on east coast for 2 years so I’m used to a wide ski
Oct 15 2021 3:36PM
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Session
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nOtyRmOm123all mountains like 90-99 108 is a free ride ski. get a mindbender 99ti if u want it to rip and float. 108 wont carve for shit


You don't know what a freeride ski even is, and it's certainly not the simple metric of width that defines a freeride ski.
Oct 15 2021 3:48PM
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nOtyRmOm
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SessionYou don't know what a freeride ski even is, and it's certainly not the simple metric of width that defines a freeride ski.


homie..... I work at a shop. now granted not really a metric to rate what I "know" but technically blizzard classifies the rustler 9 as a freeride ski. it's an all-mountain ski. going off what I know from 90% of ski companies they lose a lot of torsional stiffness once u pass 104 underfoot, basically making it a free ride ski because those are meant for deep snow and hard landings not ripping on ice.
Oct 15 2021 4:11PM
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animator
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nOtyRmOm123all mountains like 90-99 108 is a free ride ski. get a mindbender 99ti if u want it to rip and float. 108 wont carve for shit


You don’t know how to carve if you can’t engage a 108, sorry not sorry
Oct 15 2021 4:30PM
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animator
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nOtyRmOm123homie..... I work at a shop. now granted not really a metric to rate what I "know" but technically blizzard classifies the rustler 9 as a freeride ski. it's an all-mountain ski. going off what I know from 90% of ski companies they lose a lot of torsional stiffness once u pass 104 underfoot, basically making it a free ride ski because those are meant for deep snow and hard landings not ripping on ice.

there’s absolutely no metric dude. Terms like, “all-mountain ski,” “freeride ski,” are literally just marketing buzzwords. You can do anything you want with whatever ski you want, you don’t have to be bound by what that company classifies it as. I skied a black crows nocta that’s 122 underfoot as my only ski in high school, from pow to park to groomer laps. Therefore it was an, “all mountain ski,” even though it was designated a, “powder ski.” If you actually work at a shop and sell people shit based on these wack ass marketing terms that just shows a lack of technical knowledge imo.
Oct 15 2021 4:34PM
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animator
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Eightsails108 might be a tad too wide for east coast depending on snowfall. maybe something like a revolt 104 would suit you better? Also please don't mount Kartels center @iggyskier will commit seppuku if you do. Jeffrey 102 at recommended would also be a little more suitable perhaps.

108 is fine if that’s what you like, there’s no rules to this. My daily is 106 and before that it was 112 and I’m in New Hampshire. Had 0 issues holding an edge because I know how to ski. On super hard icy days maybe I lose some edge grip, but the only ski that’s gonna hold on days like that is some boring, one dimensional carver ski that’s 78 underfoot. I don’t like skis like that so I’m not gonna ski one. Definitely can confirm @iggyskier will come commit seppuku tho, I had Jeff 108s and they’re fire on the line. Still super balanced and held an awesome edge too.
EightsailsAlso do not get a 118 for east coast unless you're packing a bag to PNW or Japan please dear lord.

**This post was edited on Oct 15th 2021 at 2:11:42pm

Yeah that’s overkill but still it’s personal preference
Oct 15 2021 4:36PM
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Tannerhalscousin
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BradFiAusNzCoCa@WoFlowz burner account found


What is a burner account
Oct 15 2021 4:50PM
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WoFIowz
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Eightsails108 might be a tad too wide for east coast depending on snowfall. maybe something like a revolt 104 would suit you better? Also please don't mount Kartels center @iggyskier will commit seppuku if you do. Jeffrey 102 at recommended would also be a little more suitable perhaps.


Recommending 104 but saying 108 is too wide. 4mm difference... We talking 2.4 pieces of spaghetti wide or 3.2 grains of sand extra width.

Op you're fine. Go for it if that's the ski you want. The whole width debate is one for the ages, and some of us haven't looked at a ruler in ages apparently.
Oct 16 2021 6:00AM
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Phatboy64
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I ski 104’s all the time on the EC (New England) Picked up a pair if j110s and plan to ski them a lot here on the EC.

go have fun!
Oct 16 2021 6:29AM
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animator
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HypeBeastRecommending 104 but saying 108 is too wide. 4mm difference... We talking 2.4 pieces of spaghetti wide or 3.2 grains of sand extra width.

Op you're fine. Go for it if that's the ski you want. The whole width debate is one for the ages, and some of us haven't looked at a ruler in ages apparently.


2.4 pieces of spaghetti 😭😭😭😭
Oct 16 2021 9:30AM
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Eightsails
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I mean, just leaning into what I think OP is looking for. A slightly skinnier recommended closer to center mount with decent rocker and maybe a little less stiff and playful than the Kartel. Obvs personal preference is king but the dude was looking for recommendations and in the conditions I assume the revolt might skip better. If he just wanted the Kartel he can go buy the Kartel. I think a 96 or 102 might be even better but wide skis are hella fun for sure. I ski a 123 on non powder days too lol
HypeBeastRecommending 104 but saying 108 is too wide. 4mm difference... We talking 2.4 pieces of spaghetti wide or 3.2 grains of sand extra width.

Op you're fine. Go for it if that's the ski you want. The whole width debate is one for the ages, and some of us haven't looked at a ruler in ages apparently.
Oct 16 2021 2:54PM
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