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BigPurpleSkiSuitThe original blackops is one of the best skis ever made in my opinion.
animatorHas it changed? I got on one for the first time finally last season and was thoroughly disgusted by it
animatorHas it changed? I got on one for the first time finally last season and was thoroughly disgusted by itYes, what was bad with it.
mystery3Because of Rossignol's absolute lack of a coherent branding strategy for their skis we have no idea what ski you're talking about OP.
The 118mm wide 2900g black ops?
BigPurpleSkiSuitWhat did you not like about it?
animatorI got on it expecting a super burly playful charger and was met with a ski that was grossly soft in the tips and tails to the point where I was folding them (I’m only 5’11 and 200 pounds and I was skiing the 186). That combined with a very dead feeling core was enough to deter me for life
qazwsxedc34Weird. The dense dead feeling is often something I like to bash through crud. I don't mind the 2x4 feeling but if it is folding, dead and that soft dense feeling, then that makes what is branded as a good crud basher into a bad one.
I assume the soft feeling is due to the rubber in the tips and tails. I love rubber, urethane in skis, whether in the tips tails or along the edges. I think rubber in skis makes for a better charging ski but it has to be integrated into a beefy ski that doesn't fold as you've said.
animatorThing is is that I am fine with a damp ski, like an enforcer. The trade off there is dampness instead of pop. The black ops to me felt like it was carved from a single 2x4 so it wasn’t damp but also wasn’t poppy.
qazwsxedc34Yeah, I think the blackop 118 gamers, not sure about the 2018 year blackops, are a full poplar core. Maybe they were carved from a single 2x4. The k2 Pettitor's dense sort of dead feeling is something I adored. I think, obviously, the more epoxy, that is gluing together two types of wood stringers in a ski, make for a more dense pair of skis, rather than one type of wood carved from a single 2x4. k2 is known to use a lot of epoxy. The elastic modulus and rupture of poplar isn't all that great, it's it's low weight. I'd rather have two types of wood, even douglus fir/aspen would be a more bombproof option than a full core poplar.
I believe the enforcer had a poplar and beech wood core with thin sheets of metal. The beech is very heavy, with a very high elastic modulus. In fact, I don't know why ski companies don't use beech more often. I assume because everyone wants light skis. The volkl mantra's abiltiy to slash through crud, certainly is due to its ti but I think the beech just makes it that much better.
animatorNo for the record I was kidding about the ski being carved from one plank of wood, that’s not how skis are constructed it was just an analogy 😂