Jeffrey 118? (And others)

How is it a wise use of money if u get no powder in NZ, just asking. Also, how r u that light

ive skied the jeffery 116 (2021) and have been very happy with it. I live in the PNW so its very much handled the snow. ig On3p is really made for the snow around here so I cant really complain. I have also skied the wildcat and also found it very fun. Id say the main difference between the two is that the Jeffery is a tad heavier but also a little more playful. The wildcat is pretty light and loves to go fast.

Take all this with a grain of salt, I haven't skiied the j116/118 or bg118/c+d I've just read a lot of reviews. If you are leaning towards the j118 custom soft I don't think you'd like the bg118, and the cease and desist would probably be a similar story. I think if you are willing to rack out you would like the softer j118s (given that your fav skis are j108s), so it's almost more of a question about how much you wanna spend. You could also get a similar ski from a different company (think something similar to a rossi bo 118 or another heavy but soft ski)
edit: I should clarify something, from what I've read the bg118s/c+d are pretty chargy definitely not as jibby as say a j118. The j118s themselves are already pretty strong skis (if they are anything like stock 108s) but given that you were interested in a custom soft that makes me think the bgs and c+d's would be too stiff for your liking

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Sometimes when looking at skis it's helpful to narrow down your list by thinking about what you like. Ie, do you prefer a shorter or longer turning radius, heavy or lighter skis, softer or stiffer, more centered or directional mount, etc

I would also take a look at the Volkl Revolt 121. I don’t have it but it is on my list…tons of great reviews

why you selling bc 100

Sarcasm, and i have always just been very light

teabagHow is it a wise use of money if u get no powder in NZ, just asking. Also, how r u that light

This is very helpful, i am willing to dosh out a bit. The BGs and C+D do seem a lot more chargey but i could also get the softer flex on the BG and make it the silly goat

LazylightningTake all this with a grain of salt, I haven't skiied the j116/118 or bg118/c+d I've just read a lot of reviews. If you are leaning towards the j118 custom soft I don't think you'd like the bg118, and the cease and desist would probably be a similar story. I think if you are willing to rack out you would like the softer j118s (given that your fav skis are j108s), so it's almost more of a question about how much you wanna spend. You could also get a similar ski from a different company (think something similar to a rossi bo 118 or another heavy but soft ski)
edit: I should clarify something, from what I've read the bg118s/c+d are pretty chargy definitely not as jibby as say a j118. The j118s themselves are already pretty strong skis (if they are anything like stock 108s) but given that you were interested in a custom soft that makes me think the bgs and c+d's would be too stiff for your liking

**This post was edited on Jul 31st 2021 at 7:44:10am

Forgot to add what type of skiing while add to the og post

LazylightningSometimes when looking at skis it's helpful to narrow down your list by thinking about what you like. Ie, do you prefer a shorter or longer turning radius, heavy or lighter skis, softer or stiffer, more centered or directional mount, etc

Not enjoying it anymore and will have to remount it for my new boots so may aswell sell

BrightFrogwhy you selling bc 100

I love the idea of a silly goat lmao, that sounds so fun
edit: fr though your best bet (for a good answer) would be to call up on3p and just tell them what you posted here and see what they recommend

EPfanboyThis is very helpful, i am willing to dosh out a bit. The BGs and C+D do seem a lot more chargey but i could also get the softer flex on the BG and make it the silly goat

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Yeah i reckon it would be a lot of fun and i think i will just email or call em

LazylightningI love the idea of a silly goat lmao, that sounds so fun
edit: fr though your best bet (for a good answer) would be to call up on3p and just tell them what you posted here and see what they recommend


**This post was edited on Jul 31st 2021 at 4:28:18pm

BGs and C+Ds are not chargy as such - that is you can still ski them at slower speeds and in slacker terrain without any issues, but they are more directional. Especially BGs can charge through variable snow though, whereas C+Ds are more at home in fresh snow due to softer shovels. Jeff118s can rage through variable as well, if not as hard as BGs, but are way more suited to getting your jib on.

Wildcats can be driven more through the shovels (as hard as you want for the most part) than Jeffreys that pretty much require a centered stance, are a bit more chargy but apparently still great skis (i've only been on wc108s - great skis). Revolt121s are supposedly great skis as well, loose yet still pretty capable, and can be found discounted more often than not. CB are a niche ski and probably not what you are looking for (read the Blister review of it if you have not already).

That being said, if you love J108s, why change a winning formula? J118s will thrive by being skied in the same way as J108s, whereas BGs and C+Ds can both be skied from a centered stance and from being driven more through the shovels. So if you know you love how a certain model skis, why not do the sensible thing and get its wider sibling that likes to be skied the same way?

I have quite a few days on BGs, C+Ds, Kartel108s and Kartel116s, so I am speaking from experience.

use the current custom sale to save 100usd as well. A softer flex is a 30usd up charge, so as long as you keep everything else stock (choose graphic that does not have an upcharge, stock layup, black sidewalls and stock bases), buying custom softer j118s will set you back 50usd more than bone stock ones. That is quite the deal.

EP fanboy with no EP skis?! Let me know if you get the custom soft. I’ve had my eyes on the J108s custom soft. I have the stock 96s and fucking love them but wanna go wider.

FWIW, I think I am one of the few people with time on this years J118, and I typically DD the J108. My experience is with the standard layup as I have 100 pounds on you OP.

I enjoy the BG (many versions of it), and enjoyed the J116 as well. I have also owned OG Caylors. The new 118 with the different tip taper skis REAL good. I found myself making super quick turns in tight tree's with this version and getting the float I was looking for with a greater separation in width than my 108 to 116.

A lot of times this year I put away my BG's to grab the J108 because they just fit the way I ski right now a little better. SO I would say go with the J118 over a BG just due to them feeling real similar in how they ski.

Honestly, the Jeffrey 108 is my favorite powder ski. I like to sink into the pow a bit more and those are my favorite for that. If you want something different to ride, the Billy Goat would be legit.

Phatboy64I would also take a look at the Volkl Revolt 121. I don’t have it but it is on my list…tons of great reviews

I have a pair and they are an awesome powder ski highly recommended

Are you going to take these to Japan or North America or Europe? When I think of NZ, I think of stiffer chargey skis to ride over the shit. But I guess you are pretty light so soft layup maybe wouldn’t hurt

Hopefully japan and heli skiing in nz

BradFiAusNzCoCaAre you going to take these to Japan or North America or Europe? When I think of NZ, I think of stiffer chargey skis to ride over the shit. But I guess you are pretty light so soft layup maybe wouldn’t hurt

Bent my Pollard paintbrushes today :(. Will do aswell

CatdickBojanglesEP fanboy with no EP skis?! Let me know if you get the custom soft. I’ve had my eyes on the J108s custom soft. I have the stock 96s and fucking love them but wanna go wider.

Muchas gracias for this advice!

SessionFWIW, I think I am one of the few people with time on this years J118, and I typically DD the J108. My experience is with the standard layup as I have 100 pounds on you OP.

I enjoy the BG (many versions of it), and enjoyed the J116 as well. I have also owned OG Caylors. The new 118 with the different tip taper skis REAL good. I found myself making super quick turns in tight tree's with this version and getting the float I was looking for with a greater separation in width than my 108 to 116.

A lot of times this year I put away my BG's to grab the J108 because they just fit the way I ski right now a little better. SO I would say go with the J118 over a BG just due to them feeling real similar in how they ski.

That’s interesting to hear about the BGS C+D not being as chargey. Just read the review and i dont think the CB is what im looking for and yeah why change thr formula if its so good

kid-kapowBGs and C+Ds are not chargy as such - that is you can still ski them at slower speeds and in slacker terrain without any issues, but they are more directional. Especially BGs can charge through variable snow though, whereas C+Ds are more at home in fresh snow due to softer shovels. Jeff118s can rage through variable as well, if not as hard as BGs, but are way more suited to getting your jib on.

Wildcats can be driven more through the shovels (as hard as you want for the most part) than Jeffreys that pretty much require a centered stance, are a bit more chargy but apparently still great skis (i've only been on wc108s - great skis). Revolt121s are supposedly great skis as well, loose yet still pretty capable, and can be found discounted more often than not. CB are a niche ski and probably not what you are looking for (read the Blister review of it if you have not already).

That being said, if you love J108s, why change a winning formula? J118s will thrive by being skied in the same way as J108s, whereas BGs and C+Ds can both be skied from a centered stance and from being driven more through the shovels. So if you know you love how a certain model skis, why not do the sensible thing and get its wider sibling that likes to be skied the same way?

I have quite a few days on BGs, C+Ds, Kartel108s and Kartel116s, so I am speaking from experience.

use the current custom sale to save 100usd as well. A softer flex is a 30usd up charge, so as long as you keep everything else stock (choose graphic that does not have an upcharge, stock layup, black sidewalls and stock bases), buying custom softer j118s will set you back 50usd more than bone stock ones. That is quite the deal.

I would take BGs, C&D's and J118's to Japan, in that order. I did most days this year on a 116 BG Tour, great all rounder and so supremely surfey in anything soft. If I had more assured deep pow days I would lean C&D. C&D's are an absolute hoot in untracked. A bit of a large pain in the ass ski to tour with size wise, but worth it on the descent. Jeffrey if I was skiing more resort, which I just dont as of late.

Or as an alternative - Wren 110 Pro? They charge.

EPfanboyThat’s interesting to hear about the BGS C+D not being as chargey. Just read the review and i dont think the CB is what im looking for and yeah why change thr formula if its so good

just to be clear / prevent confusion, when I label a ski as a chargy aka a charger I am talking about a big ski that needs commitment (forward stance), speed and power to come alive, and more often than not pretty much require open spaces and big elevation drops to really come alive under a skilled skier. Think wren110 pro, Dynastar LP105, Völkl Katana 108s and similar demanding, heavy, long sidecut skis. These are skis that will be punishing under less skilled riders and not too much fun. This is the most common way of using the term/terms.

A ski can still charge well - aka crush variable - and have a high speed limit, yet not be a charger re above. BGs and Jeff118s are examples of such skis, as are for instance Rossi Black Ops Gamers. These are skis that can be skied at both lower and higher speeds, in steeper and flatter terrain, and yet do extremely well in variable / tracked out snow due to their shapes and weights.

The big difference is that while all can be driven through the front part of the ski, neither are favor the skiing style where you drive the shit out of your tips like traditional chargers. They are all happy being skied in a more relaxed manner at lower speeds. Chargers are more uninspiring and sluggish at slower speeds, and more often than not are just a lot of work in these scenarios - aka they require speed to come alive.

So a charger / chargy ski is not just any ski that can go fast / have a high speed limit - most skis can do that - but a type of ski dedicated to doing big lines at big speeds regardless of conditions. I find that Blister's various categories makes a lot of sense in this regard.

C+Ds can go plenty fast too, but are more of a untracked snow specialist. Hardly surprising at 124mm underfoot :)