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What is different about racing bindings?

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dolanslebensraum
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Is is just because race skis have a narrower waist width than freeride skis?

for example tyrolia attacks are way too wide to fit on race skis.

but is that the only difference, other than race bindings dins going up to very high levels?
Apr 28 2021 9:13PM 4 0
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DeebieSkeebies
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+100 agility
Apr 28 2021 9:35PM 9 0
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WoFlowz
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One looks good and ones meant to destroy your knees as soon as you click in
Apr 28 2021 9:52PM 10 0
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Tripleblacks
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Take this with a grain of salt, because I do not know much, but I think it is similar to a plug race boot. It is ¨basically¨ the same thing, but they just tweak everything for racing.

Some of the bindings claim to have smaller mount points (to allow for the natural flex of the ski) or more elasticity, but I do not know how much of that is marketing hype.

Now I have heard a tight little onzie fart sack is the real game changer... So you might look there first. ;)
Apr 28 2021 10:31PM 3 0
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ericforman
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People on attacks get hyped up on being close to the ski while racers get hyped up on being far from the ski.

Also afterbang on race bindings causes you to double eject every time.
Apr 28 2021 10:58PM 4 0
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gorbdawggybrent
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Dolan please please put race bindings on your revolt 87s

I would lol
Apr 29 2021 12:18AM 12 0
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onenerdykid
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Race bindings used by World Cup athletes are built for their expectations concerning retention & release, interfacing with binding plates, but most importantly their expectations concerning ski feel and creating a faster set up. Before working for Atomic, I never gave the last two points much thought but racers are incredibly sensitive about how a binding causes a ski to feel and behave - even down to how many screws are holding the binding to the ski. And yes, some bindings create faster set ups than other bindings.
Apr 29 2021 2:32AM 11 0
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Phatboy64
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I believe metal is a big factor.
Apr 29 2021 6:39AM 0 1
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dolanslebensraum
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TripleblacksTake this with a grain of salt, because I do not know much, but I think it is similar to a plug race boot. It is ¨basically¨ the same thing, but they just tweak everything for racing.

Some of the bindings claim to have smaller mount points (to allow for the natural flex of the ski) or more elasticity, but I do not know how much of that is marketing hype.

Now I have heard a tight little onzie fart sack is the real game changer... So you might look there first. ;)

Wtf is a plug boot
wtf is an onzie fart sac
Apr 29 2021 11:03PM 0 0
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Tripleblacks
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DolansLebensraumWtf is a plug boot
wtf is an onzie fart sac





Here is a fart sack. The blue Lange ski boots all the racers wear are plug boots. You buy boots that are stiff as hell and don’t fit and spend hours having someone modify them... I dunno much more. I got fulltilts because someone on this website said so.
Apr 30 2021 1:07AM 3 0
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dolanslebensraum
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Tripleblacks


Here is a fart sack. The blue Lange ski boots all the racers wear are plug boots. You buy boots that are stiff as hell and don’t fit and spend hours having someone modify them... I dunno much more. I got fulltilts because someone on this website said so.

Why do all racers use lange? Is there a reason they use the word “plug”? Does the plug boot like hold the farts in the fart sac at the bottom so they dont escape? Kind of like a butt plug but instead of trapping the farts intrarectally you trap the farts in the bottom of the fart sac where they meet the plug boot? The naming convention here cant just be a coincidence.

i feel like michaela shiffrin should shit her pants on purpose on the podium just to make a statement that she gives zero fucks and you would still smash her.
Apr 30 2021 1:43AM 2 1
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onenerdykid
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DolansLebensraumWtf is a plug boot


Personally, I think the phrase "plug boot" is a misnomer and incredibly inaccurate way to speak about World Cup race boots.

World Cup race boots are often referred to as "plug" boots because people think the internal last doesn't have any shape to it, like it's a plug or something. In reality, World Cup race boots are made just like every other ski boot: there is an outer mold that creates the external shape that you see and an internal last that creates the internal fit.

How a World Cup-level boot differs from your normal boot is simply that the plastic is much thicker. It's not necessarily stiffer because you can make a 70 flex version of it, but they are the type of boot that can go above 130 flex. Most real World Cup boots are in the 150, 170, or stiffer flexes.
Apr 30 2021 2:31AM 5 0
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Brayblade
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I used to race and the way my coach explained it was because you are higher up on the ski it allows you to set a harder edge. FIS only allows you to be a certain height off the ski. I’m no physics expert but to me it makes sense that being separated from the ski would allow you to set a deeper and harder carve

These are the FIS regulations from 2019 so they may have changed. I’m kinda curious why they chose 50mm for the max stand height
Apr 30 2021 1:20PM 5 0
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Piss_Boy
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One gets you hooked on speed
May 1 2021 11:57PM 1 0
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dolanslebensraum
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onenerdykidPersonally, I think the phrase "plug boot" is a misnomer and incredibly inaccurate way to speak about World Cup race boots.

World Cup race boots are often referred to as "plug" boots because people think the internal last doesn't have any shape to it, like it's a plug or something. In reality, World Cup race boots are made just like every other ski boot: there is an outer mold that creates the external shape that you see and an internal last that creates the internal fit.

How a World Cup-level boot differs from your normal boot is simply that the plastic is much thicker. It's not necessarily stiffer because you can make a 70 flex version of it, but they are the type of boot that can go above 130 flex. Most real World Cup boots are in the 150, 170, or stiffer flexes.

jesus.


BraybladeI used to race and the way my coach explained it was because you are higher up on the ski it allows you to set a harder edge. FIS only allows you to be a certain height off the ski. I’m no physics expert but to me it makes sense that being separated from the ski would allow you to set a deeper and harder carve

These are the FIS regulations from 2019 so they may have changed. I’m kinda curious why they chose 50mm for the max stand height


What is the parameter for each column here?
May 2 2021 3:50AM 0 0
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Brayblade
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DolansLebensraumjesus.




What is the parameter for each column here?


I believe it was Fis for the first one and National for the second
May 2 2021 11:05AM 0 0
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cobra_commander
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Ski feel and speed. You’ll see Atomic and Marker bindings painted to look like their sponsor’s equipment. Often followed by a quick ski swap at the base for finish and podium photos.

same with boots being painted/died to look like something they aren’t.

keep in mind these things are not something many of us would be able to notice or have the consistency to measure. These are the same skiers who can feel and measure the time differences between plastic colors. They also have their fast and slow skis which are theoretically the same damn thing.
May 2 2021 11:42AM 1 0
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