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That platform also hasn't fundamentally changed since like 2008. Just started slapping bigger and bigger super chargers on em while Ford puts Mustang badges on an electric SUV, ripping value out of the Mustang brand.
little1337I saw one of these the other day and was blown away. How is this a Mustang? Why not just put the Ford logo on it?
Doug Demuro explained it pretty well.
Ford (like most manufacturers) realizes electric is the future of cars. However, many manufacturers are having a hard time competing with Tesla. Non-Tesla EVs like the Toyota Prius EV, Chevy Volt, and Chevy Bolt are having a hard time on the market because they aren’t “cool” like Tesla. The Ford brand doesn’t inspire coolness either. Nobody would buy a Ford Mach-E. However, the mustang brand is cool and sporty and it brings lots of attention. Ford needs to find success in the electric market, so they’re going all-in with this new vehicle. And that means giving it their Mustang branding
BrandoComandoDoug Demuro explained it pretty well.
Ford (like most manufacturers) realizes electric is the future of cars. However, many manufacturers are having a hard time competing with Tesla. Non-Tesla EVs like the Toyota Prius EV, Chevy Volt, and Chevy Bolt are having a hard time on the market because they aren’t “cool” like Tesla. The Ford brand doesn’t inspire coolness either. Nobody would buy a Ford Mach-E. However, the mustang brand is cool and sporty and it brings lots of attention. Ford needs to find success in the electric market, so they’re going all-in with this new vehicle. And that means giving it their Mustang branding
Wait it’s electric? Okay that’s pretty cool then, do they make normal mustangs that are electric?
BrandoComandoDoug Demuro explained it pretty well.
Ford (like most manufacturers) realizes electric is the future of cars. However, many manufacturers are having a hard time competing with Tesla. Non-Tesla EVs like the Toyota Prius EV, Chevy Volt, and Chevy Bolt are having a hard time on the market because they aren’t “cool” like Tesla. The Ford brand doesn’t inspire coolness either. Nobody would buy a Ford Mach-E. However, the mustang brand is cool and sporty and it brings lots of attention. Ford needs to find success in the electric market, so they’re going all-in with this new vehicle. And that means giving it their Mustang branding
Muatang brand also doesn't go with 'four door SUV appliance car' either. A Mustang is an enthusiasts car, the Mach-e isn't really. IMO it should have been a Lincon model if they are going after Telsa to hit that higher end consumer. Branding aside, reviews I have seen have given rhis car a lot praise and it sounds like cross shopping with a Tesla is something buyers should do. I also think they look much better in person.
“Modern muscle cars” were ruined when they started putting v6s in them. Granted the hellcat is a true muscle car. But have you ever been on a military post? Seriously everyone in the barracks parking lot has a v6 challenger or mustang and thinks they are hot shit.
r00kieMuatang brand also doesn't go with 'four door SUV appliance car' either. A Mustang is an enthusiasts car, the Mach-e isn't really. IMO it should have been a Lincon model if they are going after Telsa to hit that higher end consumer. Branding aside, reviews I have seen have given rhis car a lot praise and it sounds like cross shopping with a Tesla is something buyers should do. I also think they look much better in person.
It looks like the first EV that legitimately competes with Tesla in features, range, and price. Pretty exciting to see real competition on the market. It wouldn't surprise me to see a boujee Lincoln released on the same platform at a higher price point in the coming years
Updated opinion after sitting in the parking lot at the beach: just watched a guy in an about 2003 try to spin a doughnut, he was not super successful. Mustang's are still the mustang's of mustangs.
BrandoComandoDoug Demuro explained it pretty well.
Ford (like most manufacturers) realizes electric is the future of cars. However, many manufacturers are having a hard time competing with Tesla. Non-Tesla EVs like the Toyota Prius EV, Chevy Volt, and Chevy Bolt are having a hard time on the market because they aren’t “cool” like Tesla. The Ford brand doesn’t inspire coolness either. Nobody would buy a Ford Mach-E. However, the mustang brand is cool and sporty and it brings lots of attention. Ford needs to find success in the electric market, so they’re going all-in with this new vehicle. And that means giving it their Mustang branding
I mean the other reason is consumers don't want electric cars
BrandoComandoDoug Demuro explained it pretty well.
Ford (like most manufacturers) realizes electric is the future of cars. However, many manufacturers are having a hard time competing with Tesla. Non-Tesla EVs like the Toyota Prius EV, Chevy Volt, and Chevy Bolt are having a hard time on the market because they aren’t “cool” like Tesla. The Ford brand doesn’t inspire coolness either. Nobody would buy a Ford Mach-E. However, the mustang brand is cool and sporty and it brings lots of attention. Ford needs to find success in the electric market, so they’re going all-in with this new vehicle. And that means giving it their Mustang branding
Idk, Tesla needs to pick it the f'k up if they're going to succeed--the cool brand only takes you so far. Is BMW not generally considered a cool brand? Because as cool as they are, the company still doesn't hold a candle to a Toyota etc in terms of market cap and market share. I put a deposit on the VW ID.4 and I'd be even more excited for the MicroBus--f'k a Tesla when I left my test drive at Tesla I couldn't help but feel doom and gloom for them in the future. I think a lot of cool stuff will be coming out to really give Tesla issues. Tesla tries too hard to be cool IMO and will only be cool as long as they're the new kid on the block but I'm already very tired of seeing them on the road. And trying to be the champion of environment while putting like 1 ton lithium batteries in a car so you can make a nearly 3 ton car go 0-60 in 3 seconds? Give me a break. Ford can f off too with that "Mustang" I'm so happy to be buying anything other than a Tesla or Ford. I'd buy a Chevy Volt or Bolt if they were bigger. Tesla needs to make an honest to god full size SUV--they make mega battery packs to make fast cars, why not use it for a full size SUV? That's going to be the market share in the future not 11 second electric cars
theLiquorIdk, Tesla needs to pick it the f'k up if they're going to succeed--the cool brand only takes you so far. Is BMW not generally considered a cool brand? Because as cool as they are, the company still doesn't hold a candle to a Toyota etc in terms of market cap and market share. I put a deposit on the VW ID.4 and I'd be even more excited for the MicroBus--f'k a Tesla when I left my test drive at Tesla I couldn't help but feel doom and gloom for them in the future. I think a lot of cool stuff will be coming out to really give Tesla issues. Tesla tries too hard to be cool IMO and will only be cool as long as they're the new kid on the block but I'm already very tired of seeing them on the road. And trying to be the champion of environment while putting like 1 ton lithium batteries in a car so you can make a nearly 3 ton car go 0-60 in 3 seconds? Give me a break. Ford can f off too with that "Mustang" I'm so happy to be buying anything other than a Tesla or Ford. I'd buy a Chevy Volt or Bolt if they were bigger. Tesla needs to make an honest to god full size SUV--they make mega battery packs to make fast cars, why not use it for a full size SUV? That's going to be the market share in the future not 11 second electric cars
Tesla isn’t my cup of tea but their sales numbers don’t lie and their stock price reflects the level of influence they have on the car industry. He’s a tool, but Elon Musk can do pretty much whatever he wants and turn it into a successful business. Tesla sells more vehicles than Volvo now and they’ve begun to turn a profit. They’re here to stay.
As far as larger SUVs go, Tesla and other manufacturers are limited by the capabilities of electric powertrains. Range anxiety is the biggest limiting factor for most buyers, so aerodynamics are extremely important. Some of the newer trucks will test more traditional styling and we’ll see how it plays out, but otherwise that’s why all EVs look like beans right now.
To your last point about acceleration, EVs are fast simply because they can be. Electric motors have 100% of their torque available immediately. No transmission or engine rpms to get in the way. Even the big new hulking Hummer will go 0-60 in 3 seconds
Eh, they're kinda two totally different beasts for different roles. The Mustang was pretty shitty at first but then they replaced the Allison engine with the Merlin which allowed it to go faster and higher. It had a long range and was mostly used for escorts over Europe. The Hellcat was based off experience with the Wildcat, so it was objectively great from the get-go, but more used at low altitudes and played a multi-role fighter in the Pacific. It was designed for carrier use, which a Mustang would never be able to do very well. They don't even look close to the same: F6F Hellcat
guelah_papyrusAin't no replacement for displacement
Amen that's why my favorite engine is the PW R-4360 Wasp Major, a 28-cylinder, 4-row radial engine with over 70 liters of displacement. They made 3500 hp and one extra turboed one made 4300 hp. In the 40s. Shit's awesome
ReturnToMonkeyEh, they're kinda two totally different beasts for different roles. The Mustang was pretty shitty at first but then they replaced the Allison engine with the Merlin which allowed it to go faster and higher. It had a long range and was mostly used for escorts over Europe. The Hellcat was based off experience with the Wildcat, so it was objectively great from the get-go, but more used at low altitudes and played a multi-role fighter in the Pacific. It was designed for carrier use, which a Mustang would never be able to do very well. They don't even look close to the same: F6F Hellcat
P-51 Mustang
This thread is now about WWII airplanes.
My grandpa helped build Douglas A-20 Havoc's-
And my grandma was a "Rosie the Riveter" on Douglas DC-3's-
They met at the Douglas aircraft factory in Santa Monica, CA.
And my grandma was a "Rosie the Riveter" on Douglas DC-3's-
They met at the Douglas aircraft factory in Santa Monica, CA.
Super cool! Not quite WWII but still military flying vehicle-related. My grandpa flew Hueys for the Army in Vietnam. He did a lot of troop transport in the war. He doesn't talk about it much, but he still has his pilot helmet and military-issue pistol
BrandoComandoSuper cool! Not quite WWII but still military flying vehicle-related. My grandpa flew Hueys for the Army in Vietnam. He did a lot of troop transport in the war. He doesn't talk about it much, but he still has his pilot helmet and military-issue pistol
Tell your grandpa that I think he is a straight G talk about iconic
BrandoComandoSuper cool! Not quite WWII but still military flying vehicle-related. My grandpa flew Hueys for the Army in Vietnam. He did a lot of troop transport in the war. He doesn't talk about it much, but he still has his pilot helmet and military-issue pistol
The death rate for the Huey pilots in Vietnam was unreal. Mad props to your Grandpa. Those guys bad brass balls and often risked their lives to pull troops out etc.
BrandoComandoSuper cool! Not quite WWII but still military flying vehicle-related. My grandpa flew Hueys for the Army in Vietnam. He did a lot of troop transport in the war. He doesn't talk about it much, but he still has his pilot helmet and military-issue pistol
