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Do you really need Pivot 18s

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oldspicewalrus
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This could just be a lack of knowledge but I was in a lift line and saw some kid with Pivot 18's, and the kid was probably 5'10 140, could someone of the size and weight actually need a binding that goes from 8-18? I would understand if it was in Big Sky, Montana and he was into freeride, but they were mounted to armada arv96.
Feb 23 2021 1:15PM
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snowfinder
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If you aren't in a 18 din are you even skiing?
Feb 23 2021 1:19PM
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WoFlowz
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Yes the 18 is the largest size dildo look offers. It happens to give un imaginable pleasure on back slaps
Feb 23 2021 1:31PM
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Session
Posts: 5319 - Karma: 21,403
No. I have not owned a binding that goes over 13 in 6 years.
Feb 23 2021 1:54PM
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No.Quarter
Posts: 5257 - Karma: 16,956
I'm 5'11", 140-150lbs and run Tyrolia Peak 18 bindings on my 192 Wrenegades. They were cheap, they have a burly construction that suits the purpose of the skis, they'll last a long time, and I am within the din range (I run 10-11 typically) and they release when I need them to and they stay put when things get dicey and I can't afford to have a ski come off. No I don't need an 18 din binding, but I can totally justify keeping them.

Bindings will release at their stated value even if you're on the lower end or even at the lower limit of the adjustment range, DIN is DIN is DIN. The only downside to being on the very edge of a binding's adjustment range is not being able to lower the release value, for example if you typically run an 8 or 8.5 and want to go down to a 6 after an injury.
Feb 23 2021 2:10PM
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shin-bang
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In terms of din, no

in terms of durability, yes

obviously no one really needs an18. The metal toe piece is what most people are after, including me. I have the 18s cus I could find them for cheaper than the 15s.
Feb 23 2021 3:45PM
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keagan.karstens
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Honestly I don’t own them but I just want a pair of 18s cuz I think white bindings are dope
Feb 23 2021 8:58PM
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Bended_Toenail
Posts: 1416 - Karma: 10,222
The Pivot 15 really was a great business idea from Look. So many skiers that want the metal toe piece from the 18, but don't need the 18 din
Feb 23 2021 9:21PM
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IdahoSpud_
Posts: 70 - Karma: 155
it has to do with the immense pleasure exhibited when one cases while using the pleasure 18. the pleasure 18 is for more experienced users as opposed to the look pleasure 14.
oldspicewalrusThis could just be a lack of knowledge but I was in a lift line and saw some kid with Pivot 18's, and the kid was probably 5'10 140, could someone of the size and weight actually need a binding that goes from 8-18? I would understand if it was in Big Sky, Montana and he was into freeride, but they were mounted to armada arv96.
Feb 24 2021 2:33PM
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broken_skier0
Posts: 132 - Karma: 287
Lots of people set their DINs way too high. Manufacturers set the DIN chart the way it is for a reason. Not many people should be running their DINs higher than 3+, unless you jump 20ft. cliffs to flat ice. Too many people crank up the DIN without first looking at other reasons a binding pre-releases: forward pressure, toe height, or a bad connection between the boot sole and binding. On average, higher DIN bindings are better made, but there has to be a point of diminishing returns: Pivot 14/15 vs. Pivot 18.
Feb 24 2021 4:33PM
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drifts
Posts: 586 - Karma: 4,324
broken_skier0Lots of people set their DINs way too high. Manufacturers set the DIN chart the way it is for a reason. Not many people should be running their DINs higher than 3+, unless you jump 20ft. cliffs to flat ice. Too many people crank up the DIN without first looking at other reasons a binding pre-releases: forward pressure, toe height, or a bad connection between the boot sole and binding. On average, higher DIN bindings are better made, but there has to be a point of diminishing returns: Pivot 14/15 vs. Pivot 18.


pivot 14 = plastic toe

pivot 15/18 = all metal

I like metal bindings because I crash into rocks and trees doing stupid shit not because I need the max din setting
Feb 24 2021 8:23PM
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broken_skier0
Posts: 132 - Karma: 287
In case it wasn't obvious to anyone, when I said 3+ I was referring to skier type.
Feb 24 2021 10:10PM
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WoFlowz
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broken_skier0In case it wasn't obvious to anyone, when I said 3+ I was referring to skier type.


What if your 4+ like me *claim
Feb 24 2021 10:14PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
Posts: 6637 - Karma: 57,202
I thought you meant “people shouldn’t have their DINs above 3”. I was like “wtf”
broken_skier0In case it wasn't obvious to anyone, when I said 3+ I was referring to skier type.
Feb 25 2021 11:12AM
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Non_State_Actor
Posts: 4607 - Karma: 15,946
Does V6 Camry need like 300hp? Probably not but who cares? If you don't want them don't buy them.
Feb 25 2021 5:58PM
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IdahoSpud_
Posts: 70 - Karma: 155
Ok so serious response. No. You don’t need them. However, the toe piece on the 18 is made out of metal vs the 14 is plastic. The plastic has a tendency to crack when you like catch you’re tips under rotating a backflip or something. The 18 doesn’t have the plastic and is significantly more durable. The pivot 15 is the same as the 18 but comes in with a lower din.
Feb 25 2021 6:11PM
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Lazylightning
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I would like to counter this point and propose look pivot 36s. Din range from 26-36, toepiece could be made from steel and your skis will NEVER come off
(https://www.skibartlett.com/ski-equipment-c1/ski-bindings-c8/race-bindings-c122/atomic-bindings-x20-rs-12-20-din-red-p1397 these are legit 20 din bindings, I think they are for racing but its ridiculous that this exists)
Feb 25 2021 6:27PM
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