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What do you think resort life will be like in a few yrs when liftees are starting at 15$ an hour?

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DolansLebensraum
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I think it will be awesome. I wonder if resorts will stop giving their employees a comp season pass tho. It would be a shame if they did. But i think 15$ an hour for every resort job will be fukn bananas. Employees will finally be able to afford to use some of the drugs they sell.
Feb 11 2021 9:21PM 14 8
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WoFlowz
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I think it’ll be good for resorts because most of these workers are seasonal workers and live in employee housing which is usually on the mtn or near which means more of a chance of the money going back into these towns or if they don’t hopefully the more income even if it’s just a few more bucks a month will give them a bit more spending freedom in these small tourist driven towns
Feb 11 2021 9:26PM 3 5
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Mtuhockey33
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Aspen has already started trying to do this. The only problem is they don’t give returning employees the same raise as the newbies. A new kid can come in making $15/hr while you have guys that have been there 4+ years barely making $15 now and they won’t see a raise or anything. Aspen was also talking about taking away the employee end of season bonus to deal with offsetting the pay raise. I left when they took away free passes, 1/2 off passes, mental health days, jacked up healthcare and paid temp guys $18/hr while the guys working all year still made the $13/hr they started at.
Feb 11 2021 9:32PM 9 2
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DolansLebensraum
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WoFlowzI think it’ll be good for resorts because most of these workers are seasonal workers and live in employee housing which is usually on the mtn or near which means more of a chance of the money going back into these towns or if they don’t hopefully the more income even if it’s just a few more bucks a month will give them a bit more spending freedom in these small tourist driven towns

Yeah. I think it will be ok also because all resorts will be forced together by the gov to give the same min wage. Obv if one resort started paying 15 min to employees and other resorts were still jewing out9 bucks an hour the 15 $ resort would get crushed. But if its a fair game then its doable.
Feb 11 2021 9:35PM 2 2
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ericforman
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Epic and alterra will increase the cost of tickets more than they would have otherwise. So skiing will be a bit more expensive and the workers will make more. Seems fine.
Feb 11 2021 9:38PM 6 0
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DolansLebensraum
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Mtuhockey33Aspen has already started trying to do this. The only problem is they don’t give returning employees the same raise as the newbies. A new kid can come in making $15/hr while you have guys that have been there 4+ years barely making $15 now and they won’t see a raise or anything. Aspen was also talking about taking away the employee end of season bonus to deal with offsetting the pay raise. I left when they took away free passes, 1/2 off passes, mental health days, jacked up healthcare and paid temp guys $18/hr while the guys working all year still made the $13/hr they started at.

Damn. Thats pretty crazy. Why does aspen want to have one timers (usually foreigners fwiu) instead of returning employees?
i get that resorts get better returning business when they hire young, good looking euros and south americans at their resorts but theres plenty of good looking americans you could choose from as well so i dont really get the biz sense of it.
Feb 11 2021 9:40PM 1 2
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Dan-Man
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How much is a Aspen season pass now days?

2K?
Feb 11 2021 9:57PM 8 0
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Municipal007
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I think it’ll be absolute trash. Minimum wage laws are a cancer.
Feb 11 2021 10:05PM 10 14
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Mtuhockey33
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DolansLebensraumDamn. Thats pretty crazy. Why does aspen want to have one timers (usually foreigners fwiu) instead of returning employees?
i get that resorts get better returning business when they hire young, good looking euros and south americans at their resorts but theres plenty of good looking americans you could choose from as well so i dont really get the biz sense of it.

It’s cheaper to hire new seasonal workers, pay them minimum wage, no benefits, give them a season pass and call it a day than keep quality workers. Everyone learns that you get treated better and can make better money at literally any other job in the area and most will help out with the cost of a season pass.
Dan-ManHow much is a Aspen season pass now days?

2K?


It was like $2,499 2 years ago.... so probably $2,800+ now.
Feb 11 2021 10:15PM 7 0
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WoFlowz
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Mtuhockey33It’s cheaper to hire new seasonal workers, pay them minimum wage, no benefits, give them a season pass and call it a day than keep quality workers. Everyone learns that you get treated better and can make better money at literally any other job in the area and most will help out with the cost of a season pass.


It was like $2,499 2 years ago.... so probably $2,800+ now.


Wait does an aspen season pass get you to every aspen mtn or just ajax?
Feb 11 2021 10:17PM 2 0
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Mtuhockey33
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WoFlowzWait does an aspen season pass get you to every aspen mtn or just ajax?


All 4 mountains - Aspen (Ajax), Aspen Highlands, Buttermilk, Snowmass
Feb 11 2021 10:18PM 3 0
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WoFlowz
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Mtuhockey33All 4 mountains - Aspen (Ajax), Aspen Highlands, Buttermilk, Snowmass


Don’t get me wrong that’s a metric shit ton of cash but fo unlimited skiing at all 4 it isn’t terrible especially if your skiing every day or almost and like to ski all different stuff. Might be cheaper to just go ikon at that point tho
Feb 11 2021 10:59PM 0 0
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ColoradoDogfart
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gonna be an absolute mess, every heard of inflation? you'll earn more but everything is gonna increase linearly, so instead of paying 15 bucks for a burger it'll be like 25
Feb 11 2021 11:11PM 6 12
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Mtuhockey33
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WoFlowzDon’t get me wrong that’s a metric shit ton of cash but fo unlimited skiing at all 4 it isn’t terrible especially if your skiing every day or almost and like to ski all different stuff. Might be cheaper to just go ikon at that point tho


Here’s the catch; if you’re a local, have a job locally or know people, there are much cheaper options. I paid $500 for a season pass while working nights at a hotel and skiing all day. I made better money ($2+/hr) my first year at the hotel than I did at the end of 4 years at the ski co and I was able to ski every day. Working for the ski company is the biggest drain after a year or two but it’s a great way to get out there. They hook it up with employee housing your first year for cheap and close but after that you gotta find housing and even Glenwood (45 mins- 1 hour on a sunny, summer day) is getting to be $1,200+/month for rent...
Feb 11 2021 11:20PM 1 0
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DolansLebensraum
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ColoradoDogfartgonna be an absolute mess, every heard of inflation? you'll earn more but everything is gonna increase linearly, so instead of paying 15 bucks for a burger it'll be like 25


Ppl will just buy mini burgers then.

They will lose weight and cows will live longer.

everybody wins.
Feb 12 2021 2:04AM 7 0
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T.L.
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Gas will be $5+/gal, ramen will be $.50/packet, employee housing will increase to "cover costs", a gram of wax will double in price. Mountain towns will keep adding fractions of a percent to taxes every year until the whole town is a bike path made out of solar panels.

$15/hr. will be nothing by the time it gets here and people will already be asking for more before it does.
Feb 12 2021 12:03PM 4 4
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kung_powpow
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Yes aspen is terrible and the lift lines are longer then Vail, make sure to buy an ikon base pass instead

**This post was edited on Feb 12th 2021 at 12:59:06pm
Feb 12 2021 12:58PM 7 1
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TOAST.
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Bunch of lifties at my home mountain just quit because they increased starting pay for lifties but didn't increase pay for current/returning lifties, so you had new guys making more than people that have been there years. Now other departments have to help run lifts and snowmakers cant make snow because they are running lifts.
Feb 12 2021 1:08PM 4 0
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CrunnchyVanMan
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I swear if they take away comp passes ill be pissed, thats literally why I'm a lifty, 15 would be cozy tho, I make 12.50 at my resort but it would just be that much better
Feb 12 2021 1:11PM 2 1
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270on420out
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T.L.$15/hr. will be nothing by the time it gets here and people will already be asking for more before it does.


Seattle would disagree.
Feb 12 2021 1:35PM 1 5
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PNS
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ColoradoDogfartgonna be an absolute mess, every heard of inflation? you'll earn more but everything is gonna increase linearly, so instead of paying 15 bucks for a burger it'll be like 25


It's not linear at all, it's not like all of their running costs are purely employee salaries.
Feb 12 2021 2:10PM 3 2
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WoFlowz
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ColoradoDogfartgonna be an absolute mess, every heard of inflation? you'll earn more but everything is gonna increase linearly, so instead of paying 15 bucks for a burger it'll be like 25


Washington DC has a 15$ minimum wage and the most expensive item on a Taco Bell menu there is $3.90 I think burgers won’t jump 10-15$ if they do it’s just greed not because they need to
Feb 12 2021 2:17PM 5 5
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T.L.
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270on420outSeattle would disagree.


Over 20% of all US dollars to ever exist were printed in the last year. Inflation is coming to the shithole of seattle too.
Feb 12 2021 3:33PM 6 1
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Poikenz
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ColoradoDogfartgonna be an absolute mess, every heard of inflation? you'll earn more but everything is gonna increase linearly, so instead of paying 15 bucks for a burger it'll be like 25


Or you know, Lester Crown, Rob Kats, and other owners could be good guys and take the potential decrease in revenue to provide a better/ more enjoyable life for those who work for their companies. For an industry that has no money where resorts barely scrape by they certainly seem to be doing alright.
Feb 12 2021 4:34PM 0 1
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itzPebbs
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It probably won't change because of how inflated the USD is getting
Feb 12 2021 4:43PM 4 1
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270on420out
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T.L.Over 20% of all US dollars to ever exist were printed in the last year. Inflation is coming to the shithole of seattle too.


Powell got us covered. Doesn’t matter till the banks charge interest lol
Feb 12 2021 6:26PM 2 0
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DolansLebensraum
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T.L.Over 20% of all US dollars to ever exist were printed in the last year. Inflation is coming to the shithole of seattle too.

Thats because us government is cancer, not because of raising the min wage.



union busdrivers in americas capital make 100-150k per year. And thats not a rarity. The us gov is full of cancerous shit like that. Like how the fuck is a senior engineer at apple making 100k per yr and a fucking busdriver making 150k.

thats like paying the hospital worker that changes bed pans 150k and paying the surgeon the contents of the bedpan and expecting the surgeons to continue showing up for work.

If all you did was raise the min wage from 10-15$ per hour it would probably result in 1-2% price inflation/economic cost. The real honey of american cancer is government agencies and government employees and government regulations suffocating the fuck out of the free market.

10-15$ min wage adjustment the economy would hardly notice
Feb 12 2021 6:30PM 1 2
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zeke.oblique
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DolansLebensraumI think it will be awesome. I wonder if resorts will stop giving their employees a comp season pass tho. It would be a shame if they did. But i think 15$ an hour for every resort job will be fukn bananas. Employees will finally be able to afford to use some of the drugs they sell.


Most ppl do it for the free pass
Feb 12 2021 6:38PM 0 1
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SendyMcSendyface
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Fuck min wage raises. When they bumped it from $11 to $15 in Ontario a few years ago, it fucked everything up. Gas went up, groceries went up, so your net pay stayed the same. The large corporations didn't give a fuck, but it really fucked over small businesses, cause they had to raise their prices by the same percentage to deal with the wage increase, and lost customers. My old boss ran a bakery for 20 years, and prided herself on selling her goods for very cheap (often as cheap or cheaper than the grocery stores), so that everyone could afford healthy shit. Min wage raise fucked all that, and she had to lay all her employees off and shut it down cause her margins were so slim even before the wage increase. Tons of people have thought very hard about economics, there's gotta be a more equitable way than "aight lets just raise min wage and call it a day".
Feb 12 2021 6:52PM 4 0
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Poikenz
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SendyMcSendyfaceFuck min wage raises. When they bumped it from $11 to $15 in Ontario a few years ago, it fucked everything up. Gas went up, groceries went up, so your net pay stayed the same. The large corporations didn't give a fuck, but it really fucked over small businesses, cause they had to raise their prices by the same percentage to deal with the wage increase, and lost customers. My old boss ran a bakery for 20 years, and prided herself on selling her goods for very cheap (often as cheap or cheaper than the grocery stores), so that everyone could afford healthy shit. Min wage raise fucked all that, and she had to lay all her employees off and shut it down cause her margins were so slim even before the wage increase. Tons of people have thought very hard about economics, there's gotta be a more equitable way than "aight lets just raise min wage and call it a day".


Min wage is $14.25. Grocery and gas prices didn't increase due to a minimum wage increase. Grocery prices are always increasing and are based on many factors. If gas prices were to increase based on a minimum wage increase that would be illegal. If a business can't afford to pay it's employees a decent living wage without going under then it is an unsucessful business model. The cost of living in Canada is certainly skyrocketing but it isn't because of minimum wage. Best buckle up, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Feb 12 2021 9:04PM 1 3
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RudyGarmisch
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I'm concerned. Skiing might become a rich white guys sport.
Feb 12 2021 9:11PM 7 1
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DolansLebensraum
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RudyGarmischI'm concerned. Skiing might become a rich white guys sport.

Thats why park skiers use rap music in their edits. Its their way of giving back to the community.
Feb 13 2021 3:44AM 1 0
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Mtuhockey33
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RudyGarmischI'm concerned. Skiing might become a rich white guys sport.


Skiing might become? Dude have you ever been to a big resort?


hint: you’re not finding a family of 5 from the Bronx at Aspen or Vail...
Feb 13 2021 8:50AM 0 4
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b0ss
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$15/hr is cool and all but what about universal healthcare. Im a proud republican which means I care about my fellow citizens, I want to pay for my neighbour's healthcare because they would do the same for me.
Feb 13 2021 9:28AM 0 0
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b0ss
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Municipal007I think it’ll be absolute trash. Minimum wage laws are a cancer.

I agree, we should just get free healthcare.
Feb 13 2021 9:34AM 1 0
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Craw_Daddy
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most of them deserve it. $15 means different things to different people and it's really dependent on the cost of living near the resorts. I think it's fair to say the expenses of living in a mountain town are comparable to that of a big city though and a $15 minimum wage makes sense for most cities. The plan is also to gradually raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2025 which, if done right, should be fine. Inflation will be handled by the fed raising interest rates in conjunction with wage increases. I'm all for that considering what the stock market and housing market look like right now. The only thing I'm worried about is unemployment in rural areas where the cost of living is low so hopefully, the government comes out with a plan to help those businesses out.
Feb 13 2021 10:22AM 0 0
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RIP_leos_shack
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$15 won't make any difference to the standard of living because rent prices will just go up to match, and you're left with the same $50 from your paycheck. What we really need is rent control and laws against short term rentals.
Feb 13 2021 10:41AM 2 0
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poofartpee
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This has been Canada for a few years now. Dont think it changed much, $15 an hour is still pretty hard to live off of.
Feb 13 2021 12:14PM 2 0
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itzPebbs
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RudyGarmischI'm concerned. Skiing might become a rich white guys sport.


Lol what do you consider it to be now?
Feb 13 2021 2:16PM 0 0
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