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The heaviest most in bounds oriented ski boot with a walk mode and tech inserts

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roadgaptoneckgrind
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I have a set of folsom completo's, and I have the CAST system waiting to be installed. Just need to pick a boot. I want to use it for a 90% resort 10% slackcountry setup.

I have an old full alpine boot already with an intuition liner that is fine.
I have an old dedicated touring set up with scarpas.

I am looking for a boot that is heavy, stiff flex and is essentially indistinguishable from an alpine boot in the way it skis in bounds. But for the occasional time I want to venture out into lift access slack country for 1 or 2 tours (10% of the time), it has a walk mode and I just switch out the CAST toes (which will be living in my pack). Maybe the salomon shift would have been better, but I had the look 18's already.

When I go on resort hopping trips for a few weeks where slackountry is an option and resort snow is soft and pow days are common (think interior BC), id rather just bring 1 setup, whereas now im bringing 2 and have to go switch boots etc. Which just get annoying.

I am 6'3, 230 and ski hard. I have seen scarpas break at the resort and I am really hard on gear. I will break mine if I use them there too.


Is there any other option than the Full Tilt SC Ascendant? I dont even need a touring boot really, even an alpine boot with a really bad walk mode (compared to touring boots, but good walk mode compared to standard boots that dont move at all) would be fine, if that exists
Jan 19 2021 4:10PM 1 0
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tomPietrowski
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roadgaptoneckgrindI have a set of folsom completo's, and I have the CAST system waiting to be installed. Just need to pick a boot. I want to use it for a 90% resort 10% slackcountry setup.

I have an old full alpine boot already with an intuition liner that is fine.
I have an old dedicated touring set up with scarpas.

I am looking for a boot that is heavy, stiff flex and is essentially indistinguishable from an alpine boot in the way it skis in bounds. But for the occasional time I want to venture out into lift access slack country for 1 or 2 tours (10% of the time), it has a walk mode and I just switch out the CAST toes (which will be living in my pack). Maybe the salomon shift would have been better, but I had the look 18's already.

When I go on resort hopping trips for a few weeks where slackountry is an option and resort snow is soft and pow days are common (think interior BC), id rather just bring 1 setup, whereas now im bringing 2 and have to go switch boots etc. Which just get annoying.

I am 6'3, 230 and ski hard. I have seen scarpas break at the resort and I am really hard on gear. I will break mine if I use them there too.


Is there any other option than the Full Tilt SC Ascendant? I dont even need a touring boot really, even an alpine boot with a really bad walk mode (compared to touring boots, but good walk mode compared to standard boots that dont move at all) would be fine, if that exists


You are after a freeride boot. Basically every brand has that in their lineup now. So head off to a boot fitter and see what fits you best. There are loads of great boots that fit your exact needs but they wont all fit you, start start with what fits then decide from there.
Jan 19 2021 4:21PM 9 0
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drifts
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Lupo pro, k2 mindbender, xt3, ascendant sc, roxa, etc.
Jan 19 2021 5:59PM 1 0
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anders_a
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cochise dyn 130?

I spent 30-40-50? days on them in 2019/2020 season. even hit the park on them quite a lot.



I also got the new 2021 hawk prime xtd 130 with new mimic liner as well now, but they are what 300 grams lighter? so sceptical, but hope they will be awesome.



I'm 6'3 230 myself.. or probably 240 now and even more coronafat....
Jan 19 2021 6:01PM 0 0
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Charliehermens1
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Just got into the lupos ax120 and I’m loving it.
Jan 19 2021 6:12PM 0 0
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animator
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Please visit a fitter but here are some recommendations depending on availability/wha to fits:
Lange XT3 140 LV Pro: 97mm last, Low Volume. Stiff and responsive, tours well, skis even better.

Lupo Pro HD: 98mm last, “low volume,” (tends to fit medium volume despite claims). Stiff, heavy, does not tour well.

Tecnica Cochise 130 DYN: 99mm last, medium volume. Fairly stiff, not super heavy, walks decent.

FT Sammy C Ascendant: 102mm last, medium/high volume. Stiff (go 12 flex tongue and ski like Bode), walks ok, skis hard. *note, some complain of a low cuff height on the Ascendant/Descendant shell, especially if you’re taller. I never had an issue with it when I owned a Descendant, but it’a worth bringing up*

Go to a fitter please but these are some hard-charging options that you can definitely push super hard, and still your with your CAST Freetour!
Jan 19 2021 7:19PM 4 1
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Weirdo_Puppy
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I’m currently using day makers as my touring set up. But I had a wild idea. Could you put the holes for pins and the metal insert so you could tour with them? I know they wouldn’t have walk mode but this is purely hypothetical. And it wouldn’t have to bear much weight if it was on something like the cast touring system where you put the toe back on.
Jan 19 2021 8:45PM 1 5
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snowmosexual
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If you're looking for a charger I recommend getting a fitted full alpine boot and having cast put tech toe inserts in them. Walk modes break if you're skiing hard. I haven't heard of a freeride boot with a walk mode that hasn't broken after landing backseat. If you're doing slack country odds are you won't be walking on flat for long. Walk mode is pretty useless on steep skin tracks. It's worth it to cast up your boots.
Jan 21 2021 12:12AM 0 3
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Weirdo_Puppy
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I thought I made a great invention and then I was looking at cast because I was interested in a one ski quiver for next year. And I saw that you can get your boots turned into tech boots. I like how they add grip walk too.
Jan 21 2021 10:17AM 2 0
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roadgaptoneckgrind
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snowmosexualIf you're looking for a charger I recommend getting a fitted full alpine boot and having cast put tech toe inserts in them. Walk modes break if you're skiing hard. I haven't heard of a freeride boot with a walk mode that hasn't broken after landing backseat. If you're doing slack country odds are you won't be walking on flat for long. Walk mode is pretty useless on steep skin tracks. It's worth it to cast up your boots.


I currently run folsom completos at the resort. They are awesome, and come in at just under 2200g which is pretty heavy and they are stiff. Works great now with my heavy alpine boot and I dont want to stray too far from this. I hesitate to go with anything under 8lbs for the pair for inbounds use, but boot tech has probably come a long way recently.

I think what you suggest might actually be the best option. Maybe ill get a full tilt resort boot. I have tried them on a few times and it seems that if I left them unbuckled they would be easiest to walk in of all the true alpine only designs. Trying to figure out if CAST can make a new toe for these.

I have tried on a few of the recommended and I like the Dalbello Lupo Pro HD, although it was a bit narrow. They are more than 2lbs for the pair heavier than my scarpas, which is what I like. This is my other option. Looking around for one I can actually try on in store that is similarly heavy but with a bigger last.

Either of these would be super heavy, but would be fine for me for lift accessed slack country with my current skis once in a while.


Thanks for the suggestions

**This post was edited on Jan 22nd 2021 at 2:29:01pm
Jan 22 2021 2:24PM 1 0
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elm.
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I was in your same boat. Went from a lange rs140 to a rossignol all track 130. They are definitely not as stiff and the cuff is lower, but I am really happy with them. Also ride 90% resort. I don't think there is a touring boot out there that has the performance of an alpine boot...but if you add a booster strap and a intuition race liner I think you can get closer. That's what my bootfitter said.

Also I learned that the volume of boots is not standardized. Just because a boot says low volume doesn't mean it is. I also learned that a high flex boot has more to do with your flexibility in your ankles than actual performance. So someone with high flexibility (angle between ankle and shin when squatting) will be much happier in a high flex boot.
Jan 23 2021 12:41PM 1 0
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severniy
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Next year Dalbello Krypton 130. Freeride boot without walk mode but with pins

Jan 25 2021 5:01PM 1 0
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snowmosexual
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roadgaptoneckgrindI currently run folsom completos at the resort. They are awesome, and come in at just under 2200g which is pretty heavy and they are stiff. Works great now with my heavy alpine boot and I dont want to stray too far from this. I hesitate to go with anything under 8lbs for the pair for inbounds use, but boot tech has probably come a long way recently.

I think what you suggest might actually be the best option. Maybe ill get a full tilt resort boot. I have tried them on a few times and it seems that if I left them unbuckled they would be easiest to walk in of all the true alpine only designs. Trying to figure out if CAST can make a new toe for these.

I have tried on a few of the recommended and I like the Dalbello Lupo Pro HD, although it was a bit narrow. They are more than 2lbs for the pair heavier than my scarpas, which is what I like. This is my other option. Looking around for one I can actually try on in store that is similarly heavy but with a bigger last.

Either of these would be super heavy, but would be fine for me for lift accessed slack country with my current skis once in a while.


Thanks for the suggestions

**This post was edited on Jan 22nd 2021 at 2:29:01pm


I ride Lange rs 130s with a cast toe, I don't regret a thing
Jan 25 2021 5:11PM 0 0
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roadgaptoneckgrind
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severniyNext year Dalbello Krypton 130. Freeride boot without walk mode but with pins



sick! there is my boot.
Jan 25 2021 5:51PM 0 0
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anders_a
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severniyNext year Dalbello Krypton 130. Freeride boot without walk mode but with pins


well damn, is that a regular krypton 130?
Jan 25 2021 6:11PM 0 0
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OhJay
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anders_awell damn, is that a regular krypton 130?


Pretty much. TGR confirmed it's literally a Krypton 130 with tech fittings. No walk mode so same exact cuff as Krypton 130s. Supposedly what the team wanted for short skins after a heli drop.

If this Krytpon 130 t.i. (it's supposed name) comes with the regular, non-touring wrap liner, I have to believe the regular Krypton 130 is pretty much obsolete/phased out at this point. The t.i. version would lose pretty much nothing over the regular Krypton, and if people REALLY want the pure alpine Krypton 130 wo the tech fittings and GW soles, well there's the Il Moro which I believe still uses a B tongue but with a softer liner to give it that 'softer 120' flex.

That said, is it that hard/cost and labor intensive for Dalbello to just make gripwalk soles for the Krypton/Il Moro shells? My current understanding is the Lupo vibram soles aren't a proper fit, but can be made to work with planing or something. How many real life users are skinning that short a distance to not need/want the walk mode?

EDIT: Just read @severniy 's post. So this is next year's Krypton 130? Not just a 't.i.' version in addition to a reg. Krypton 130?

**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:06:43pm

**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:07:19pm
Jan 25 2021 7:04PM 0 0
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animator
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OhJayPretty much. TGR confirmed it's literally a Krypton 130 with tech fittings. No walk mode so same exact cuff as Krypton 130s. Supposedly what the team wanted for short skins after a heli drop.

If this Krytpon 130 t.i. (it's supposed name) comes with the regular, non-touring wrap liner, I have to believe the regular Krypton 130 is pretty much obsolete/phased out at this point. The t.i. version would lose pretty much nothing over the regular Krypton, and if people REALLY want the pure alpine Krypton 130 wo the tech fittings and GW soles, well there's the Il Moro which I believe still uses a B tongue but with a softer liner to give it that 'softer 120' flex.

That said, is it that hard/cost and labor intensive for Dalbello to just make gripwalk soles for the Krypton/Il Moro shells? My current understanding is the Lupo vibram soles aren't a proper fit, but can be made to work with planing or something. How many real life users are skinning that short a distance to not need/want the walk mode?

EDIT: Just read @severniy 's post. So this is next year's Krypton 130? Not just a 't.i.' version in addition to a reg. Krypton 130?

**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:06:43pm

**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:07:19pm


Correct on your last point, this is the only Krypton with a 130 flex! Inserts come standard in it
Jan 25 2021 7:12PM 1 0
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roadgaptoneckgrind
Posts: 546 - Karma: 23
OhJayPretty much. TGR confirmed it's literally a Krypton 130 with tech fittings. No walk mode so same exact cuff as Krypton 130s. Supposedly what the team wanted for short skins after a heli drop.

If this Krytpon 130 t.i. (it's supposed name) comes with the regular, non-touring wrap liner, I have to believe the regular Krypton 130 is pretty much obsolete/phased out at this point. The t.i. version would lose pretty much nothing over the regular Krypton, and if people REALLY want the pure alpine Krypton 130 wo the tech fittings and GW soles, well there's the Il Moro which I believe still uses a B tongue but with a softer liner to give it that 'softer 120' flex.

That said, is it that hard/cost and labor intensive for Dalbello to just make gripwalk soles for the Krypton/Il Moro shells? My current understanding is the Lupo vibram soles aren't a proper fit, but can be made to work with planing or something. How many real life users are skinning that short a distance to not need/want the walk mode?

EDIT: Just read @severniy 's post. So this is next year's Krypton 130? Not just a 't.i.' version in addition to a reg. Krypton 130?

**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:06:43pm

**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2021 at 7:07:19pm


I dunno, most resorts have a place for a short skin up after a chairlift ride to the top. Then back down to the chairlift. Seems the appeal could be wide. Bootpacking sucks

And now there is a binding to facilitate this on the market.
Jan 25 2021 7:15PM 0 0
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OhJay
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animatorCorrect on your last point, this is the only Krypton with a 130 flex! Inserts come standard in it


Sweet, thanks for confirming
*Patiently begins to save money along with all the other desired 2022 gear
Jan 25 2021 7:52PM 0 0
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OhJay
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roadgaptoneckgrindI dunno, most resorts have a place for a short skin up after a chairlift ride to the top. Then back down to the chairlift. Seems the appeal could be wide. Bootpacking sucks

And now there is a binding to facilitate this on the market.


Yea makes sense to me now. I was gonna say that there's already the Lupo Pro HD which was already for shorter tours due to the heavier non-grilamid shell, but if this is the only Krypton 130 version we're getting AND it's at a lower price point vs. the Lupo Pros, then it makes more sense.
Jan 25 2021 7:55PM 0 0
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