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Am I holding myself back by skiing Outsiders?

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FruitBootPro
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Sorry for talking about these skis again but this has really been on my mind and I really need some input. I mainly lap Wisconsin parks/groomers on packed snow but I have pretty much zero qualms about the Outsider's performance there (if you don't know, it has three stage rocker like a wakeboard and 112 underfoot). My bootfitter last night told me that I'm skiing the wrong ski for what I'm doing and that it's holding me back. I'm confused about this because so far I have enjoyed the ski even on piste and in the park (I only do really basic shit in the park rn tho). I have noticed that my jumps haven't been super comfortable since I've started skiing them but idk how much that has to do with the ski so much as my own ability.

Idk man, they seem fine to me, but I don't know what I don't know. Btw I trust the bootfitters at my shop and have a lot of respect to them; they may be old heads but they have a ton of expertise. Also he said that he'd skied the Outsider before so it's not like he just thinks they look weird. So idk. Who here has skied the Outsider a lot in park/piste and how does it stack up to narrower center mounted twintips?
Dec 15 2020 12:39PM
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deathvalley69
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They're not made for park or groomers but there's no reason you can't use them if that's what you like. I haven't tried them myself but I've seen a lot of people use them just for park

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2020 at 1:54:11pm
Dec 15 2020 1:52PM
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rubberpantaloons
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bootfitter is prolly saying that cuz they are absolute boats and weigh a fuck ton for spinning on and off rails lol
Dec 15 2020 2:18PM
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FruitBootPro
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rubberpantaloonsbootfitter is prolly saying that cuz they are absolute boats and weigh a fuck ton for spinning on and off rails lol


Yeah that's facts. I've seen people destroy rails with them regardless. I don't mind the boatiness at all though and they are actually really fun on piste if you go fast
Dec 15 2020 2:20PM
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CatdickBojangles
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Well I mean yeah pretty much. They are more of a niche ski, if you are trying to progress then a narrower not gimmicky rockered ski would be way better.
Dec 15 2020 2:50PM
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Bended_Toenail
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I thought outsiders are a key part of your existence
Dec 15 2020 2:58PM
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FruitBootPro
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Bended_ToenailI thought outsiders are a key part of your existence


I'm having an existential crisis
Dec 15 2020 2:59PM
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FruitBootPro
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CatdickBojanglesWell I mean yeah pretty much. They are more of a niche ski, if you are trying to progress then a narrower not gimmicky rockered ski would be way better.


They're a weird design, but not a gimmick.
Dec 15 2020 3:00PM
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Bended_Toenail
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FruitBootProI'm having an existential crisis


What's next? you gonna stop blading?
Dec 15 2020 3:00PM
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Slowbro
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Dedicated park skis will outperform them no question, especially in icier places like the midwest. More cambered, skinnier sticks will be easier to spin, more stable, and will hold an edge way better.

Just depends on what you want though, I'd recommend keeping the outsiders and getting a second park setup. That way you can have both depending on what you're feeling.
Dec 15 2020 3:05PM
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FruitBootPro
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Bended_ToenailWhat's next? you gonna stop blading?


highly doubt it. lol
Dec 15 2020 3:06PM
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No.Quarter
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Yeah, they are weird and not necessarily the best tool for the job, but of all the weird niche skis out there, I'd say Outsiders (and the old One Lifes) do pretty damn well at a bit of everything. Shit, remember those old Forster Meeks edits where he was only skiing park and street on One Lifes?

Weird is good
Dec 15 2020 3:10PM
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cydwhit
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Bruh, the combination of Outsiders and your name is perfect. Are they the easiest ski to whip around in the park? No! Can you have fun doing it? Yeah! Go watch IDEA and then ski silly skis everywhere. It's good for the soul.
Dec 15 2020 7:40PM
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FruitBootPro
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cydwhitBruh, the combination of Outsiders and your name is perfect. Are they the easiest ski to whip around in the park? No! Can you have fun doing it? Yeah! Go watch IDEA and then ski silly skis everywhere. It's good for the soul.


Yeah I mean my logic was, there's nothing I've really disliked about them so far so what's the problem? But I guess my bootfitter seems to think they're holding me back in park or even for carving fundamentals. Idrk what to tell him
Dec 16 2020 12:00AM
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jjdsteeze
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They have been my do everything ski for the last 5-6 years. Maybe even longer than that. Trying something new this year just for the sake of changing things up. If you enjoy riding them, keep riding them. If you can swing those things around on rails and jumps, you be able to handle any ski.
Dec 16 2020 8:23AM
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No.Quarter
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FruitBootProYeah I mean my logic was, there's nothing I've really disliked about them so far so what's the problem? But I guess my bootfitter seems to think they're holding me back in park or even for carving fundamentals. Idrk what to tell him


Keep the edges sharp on the cambered section, especially where the 3 stage rocker kink is and they carve like a motherfucker. Your bootfitter doesn't know what he's talking about. There is a reason why people who own these skis love them so much.
Dec 16 2020 5:38PM
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FruitBootPro
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No.QuarterKeep the edges sharp on the cambered section, especially where the 3 stage rocker kink is and they carve like a motherfucker. Your bootfitter doesn't know what he's talking about. There is a reason why people who own these skis love them so much.


haha I had them detuned underfoot for park but I'll get the whole ski sharpened before I go to a big mountain. They still carve pretty nicely if you do it right.
Dec 16 2020 7:04PM
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ColoradoDogfart
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op is obv having a mid life crisis
best of luck to you g
Dec 16 2020 10:01PM
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FruitBootPro
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ColoradoDogfartop is obv having a mid life crisis
best of luck to you g


I'm in my 20s, I sure hope I'm not in the middle of my life
Dec 16 2020 10:11PM
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