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Season Eqpt. | Gear Discussion Thread

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season_eqpt
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making a thread if you have any gear specific questions, comments, concerns, blind rage or genuine appreciation. direct line to our engineer, Pollard, basically the brand. go nuts
thanks - josh
Oct 22 2020 6:59PM 24 0
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drifts
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longer skis pls
Oct 22 2020 7:10PM 37 3
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Slowbro
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Im sure a lot of people are thinking the same thing, but will you release skis with Eric Pollard art at any point?
Oct 22 2020 7:11PM 27 1
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EPfanboy
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Love the look of the new skis and glad Pollard left Line becasue I love Pollard but not Line skis. Will the skis be suitable to do the odd tour on and what happend to Nimbus?
Oct 22 2020 7:52PM 13 3
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Lazylightning
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driftslonger skis pls

Please this
Oct 22 2020 9:22PM 10 0
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CatdickBojangles
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Skinnier less rockered fishtailed skis with a layer of Metal in them. Think a shrunk down sakana that made love to a pair of Blades.
Oct 22 2020 9:30PM 12 3
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Bended_Toenail
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CatdickBojanglesSkinnier less rockered fishtailed skis with a layer of Metal in them. Think a shrunk down sakana that made love to a pair of Blades.


Lol at first I thought you meant ski blades and I was so confused
Oct 22 2020 10:16PM 4 0
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alpha.moose
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Genuinely love the whole ethos and wish this company success.

I am seriously thinking about the Nexus, but I am wondering if a 183 cm would be too small for me (6'3" 170lb). For reference, I am a big fan of the Atomic Bentchetler 100 188cm, Moment Deathwish 184cm, and Moment Wildcat 108 184cm. I am thinking I might have to wait until more sizes are available to support Season....or I'll just surprise my partner with a snowboard from you guys. Ha, but seriously what y'all are doing is a breath of fresh air.
Oct 22 2020 11:08PM 9 0
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Cade2
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alpha.mooseGenuinely love the whole ethos and wish this company success.

I am seriously thinking about the Nexus, but I am wondering if a 183 cm would be too small for me (6'3" 170lb). For reference, I am a big fan of the Atomic Bentchetler 100 188cm, Moment Deathwish 184cm, and Moment Wildcat 108 184cm. I am thinking I might have to wait until more sizes are available to support Season....or I'll just surprise my partner with a snowboard from you guys. Ha, but seriously what y'all are doing is a breath of fresh air.


you need 190+
Oct 23 2020 12:50AM 10 8
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a_pla5tic_bag
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Everyone says longer skis, but is Pollard perhaps correct in having these sizes under his idea that there are too many ski models with little functional difference between them? Perhaps these sizes, though shorter or longer than what you might normally ride, are going to be just fine and some cm's worth of difference isn't going to blow your skiing ability?

I have 171 magnus, 175 JJs, and 159 Atomic S9s so the 165 Aero seems to short to me, specially being rockered. I don't know the effective edge measurements of all my skis (and that's not the only thing that matters) but I bet they're not drastically different such that the 165 Aero would be too short for me.
Oct 23 2020 10:12AM 5 0
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MeenaSmalls
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Need longer skis
Oct 23 2020 10:51AM 3 1
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Lazylightning
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a_pla5tic_bagEveryone says longer skis, but is Pollard perhaps correct in having these sizes under his idea that there are too many ski models with little functional difference between them? Perhaps these sizes, though shorter or longer than what you might normally ride, are going to be just fine and some cm's worth of difference isn't going to blow your skiing ability?

I have 171 magnus, 175 JJs, and 159 Atomic S9s so the 165 Aero seems to short to me, specially being rockered. I don't know the effective edge measurements of all my skis (and that's not the only thing that matters) but I bet they're not drastically different such that the 165 Aero would be too short for me.

If you have an aversion to riding skis shorter than you and are above average height they are a little small
edit: I definitely see where you are coming from, but there is a point at which something is shorter than you'd wanna ride

**This post was edited on Oct 23rd 2020 at 11:20:00am
Oct 23 2020 11:19AM 0 0
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The.Brentist
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A 200 length ski would be hood
Oct 23 2020 11:40AM 2 1
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DrZoidberg
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Are any of the skis SFB-ish? I have SFBs from a few years ago and they're just such great skis.

And with the sizing... For reference I'm 5'5" 120lbs. In the past I had a 166cm full camber line chronic, which was fine enough. So perhaps 165s here could work for me, even with the rocker, because I think Pollard et al know how to do rocker. My SFBs are 178 and they never feel cumbersome because everything works in harmony to make a great ski.

I believe Pollard surfs a lot and probably plays with surfboard design too. I shape boards in my garage, as I've posted about on here before. You can make a really small board act like a longer board to some extent. Most of my shapes focus on letting these small little boards drive like that have some length to them. I'm sure the same can be true for skis. My SFBs act like a smaller, very compliant ski. I bet they can make a 165 not act like a tiny little ski.
Oct 23 2020 12:53PM 0 0
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season_eqpt
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hope these help! - jm
driftslonger skis pls

We'll be adding additional sizes, Austrian ski molds are real expensive.
SlowbroIm sure a lot of people are thinking the same thing, but will you release skis with Eric Pollard art at any point?

The hardgoods will maintain a consistent look, Eric didn't hang up his paintbrushes and we'll work in some things in the future.
EPfanboyLove the look of the new skis and glad Pollard left Line becasue I love Pollard but not Line skis. Will the skis be suitable to do the odd tour on and what happend to Nimbus?

^ yes! they're not super light but work well with touring bindings, the Nexus would be the go-to. Nimbus was a point in time and a band of Andy, Pep, Eric, Chris and friends. This is EPs next chapter.
CatdickBojanglesSkinnier less rockered fishtailed skis with a layer of Metal in them. Think a shrunk down sakana that made love to a pair of Blades.

^ interesting concept. We'll be constantly iterating.
alpha.mooseGenuinely love the whole ethos and wish this company success.

I am seriously thinking about the Nexus, but I am wondering if a 183 cm would be too small for me (6'3" 170lb). For reference, I am a big fan of the Atomic Bentchetler 100 188cm, Moment Deathwish 184cm, and Moment Wildcat 108 184cm. I am thinking I might have to wait until more sizes are available to support Season....or I'll just surprise my partner with a snowboard from you guys. Ha, but seriously what y'all are doing is a breath of fresh air.

There will be a larger size in coming years (see practical reasoning above) but yes the 183 is a nice firm flex and with not much rocker so the edge contact is large so you'll get every cm out of that Nexus 183.
DrZoidbergAre any of the skis SFB-ish? I have SFBs from a few years ago and they're just such great skis.

And with the sizing... For reference I'm 5'5" 120lbs. In the past I had a 166cm full camber line chronic, which was fine enough. So perhaps 165s here could work for me, even with the rocker, because I think Pollard et al know how to do rocker. My SFBs are 178 and they never feel cumbersome because everything works in harmony to make a great ski.

I believe Pollard surfs a lot and probably plays with surfboard design too. I shape boards in my garage, as I've posted about on here before. You can make a really small board act like a longer board to some extent. Most of my shapes focus on letting these small little boards drive like that have some length to them. I'm sure the same can be true for skis. My SFBs act like a smaller, very compliant ski. I bet they can make a 165 not act like a tiny little ski.

Well in shape & size the Nexus for sure, as for differences the Nexus is a bit stiffer and less shapely. The SFB is a great ski btw. LOVE the understanding of that connection of surf shape / volumn concept and wish more people dove deeper in that instead of "I just need a longer ski". For reference EP is 5' 10", the Elizabeth was made by him in a 172, the Sakana 174, ect.
Oct 23 2020 1:49PM 6 0
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pokerman
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10$ everyone asking for longer skis don't even ride past 183.
Oct 23 2020 1:56PM 21 1
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DrZoidberg
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Are the sidewalls wood? Or just wood colored plastic/ABS/whatever?
Oct 23 2020 3:12PM 0 0
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season_eqpt
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DrZoidbergAre the sidewalls wood? Or just wood colored plastic/ABS/whatever?


Khaki colored ABS with a higher angle 360 route to show off the shape. We're very happy how it came out.
Oct 23 2020 3:26PM 0 0
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a_pla5tic_bag
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Lazylightningshorter than you'd wanna ride

Well that's his point exactly. What you want to ride, i.e. think you need to ride, might not matter so much from a performance perspective. You might think you need a longer or shorter ski but it might just be in your head. Granted, this is hard to say.


A question for season though, what's the point of the swallow tails? Are they supposed to allow independent flex of the tail edges when on edge (if that's ever even on the ground)? Or are they actually just aesthetics from surfing? I can't see that a decrease in tail area serves the same purpose on a ski as it does on a surfboard.
Oct 23 2020 4:06PM 0 0
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Profahoben_212
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a_pla5tic_bagWell that's his point exactly. What you want to ride, i.e. think you need to ride, might not matter so much from a performance perspective. You might think you need a longer or shorter ski but it might just be in your head. Granted, this is hard to say.


A question for season though, what's the point of the swallow tails? Are they supposed to allow independent flex of the tail edges when on edge (if that's ever even on the ground)? Or are they actually just aesthetics from surfing? I can't see that a decrease in tail area serves the same purpose on a ski as it does on a surfboard.


swallows allow the tail of the ski to sink more in soft snow/powder creating a fun, different planing of the tip through the snow. Similar idea to pintails.

I beleive
Oct 23 2020 4:37PM 1 0
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a_pla5tic_bag
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Profahoben_212swallows allow the tail of the ski to sink more in soft snow/powder creating a fun, different planing of the tip through the snow. Similar idea to pintails.

I beleive


The point in surfboard is to lower tail volume. The fins are at the back, you need the tail in the water to use the fins and shortboard surfing is done from the tail. The issue with surfboards is that most of it isn't in the water when you're using it. Even when you are planing on a wave, it's some kind of goofy system cause only one rail is in the water and only some amount of the bottom of the board. Skis in powder are entirely in the snow.

I'm not a ski designer so I'm guessing, but to me, causing a ski to sit more like this / as would be the case with helping the tail sink, is just going to cause the ski to push snow rather than helping you plane over it. On the other hand, it might offer less resistance in you trying to sink the tail, as happens in a turn, which might be helpful. I feel like it'll make a bigger difference on a snowboard because that tail actually has a lot of surface area but ski tails are small. But I surf more than I ski powder so what do I know.
Oct 23 2020 4:55PM 2 0
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mrk127
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I would love to see a ski like the line Blade but beefed up. None of that “gas pedal metal” but full sheet or two of titanal. I loved that shape and concept of the ski but the flex patten was weak sauce especially in the front of the ski. I would love to see eqpt be the company improve on the idea of a tight radius all mountain carver but more suitable for really charging
Oct 24 2020 1:02AM 3 0
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DrZoidberg
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mrk127I would love to see a ski like the line Blade but beefed up. None of that “gas pedal metal” but full sheet or two of titanal. I loved that shape and concept of the ski but the flex patten was weak sauce especially in the front of the ski. I would love to see eqpt be the company improve on the idea of a tight radius all mountain carver but more suitable for really charging


If their mid sized one is like the SFB but stiffer than that might be it, just maybe not two sheets of metal stiff. I'm light (120lbs) and my SFBs rip, though obviously not as hard as my volkl racetiger SLs. If they stiffen up the SFB a bit then it'd shred.
Oct 25 2020 12:49PM 1 0
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Rotten_Trumpkins
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Interesting. Digging the looks too. Maybe it's just me but the average turn radius on all the skis is quite small. Any plans to increase this in the future? Or is this because most people ride skis with a smaller radius like this?

Also if not mentioned already what materials are used in the core? I can appreciate all the detail listed on your site for each ski but couldn't find that.
Oct 25 2020 11:01PM 1 0
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jca
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Trumpkin2020Interesting. Digging the looks too. Maybe it's just me but the average turn radius on all the skis is quite small. Any plans to increase this in the future? Or is this because most people ride skis with a smaller radius like this?

Also if not mentioned already what materials are used in the core? I can appreciate all the detail listed on your site for each ski but couldn't find that.


Yeah, construction and materials would be awesome to know
Oct 25 2020 11:08PM 0 0
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linear_algebra
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How does the Forma compare to the Line Sakana? From the specs, I see Forma is of course wider and has a bit less sidecut. How does the stiffness compare? What are the biggest similarities and differences of the on-snow experience?

Congrats on the new company! Looking forward to trying out your gear soon
Oct 26 2020 3:51PM 0 0
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FruitBootPro
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just checked out the site and i actually really love it, super well done.

my questions/requests:

-twintip ski with 110+ waist please
-why such long cambered sections on the Nexus and Forma skis?
-will the graphics get more interesting in the future?
-what makes these skis unique in terms of feel?
Dec 9 2020 3:22AM 1 0
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MeenaSmalls
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pokerman10$ everyone asking for longer skis don't even ride past 183.


Dynastar slicers 187cm, Poachers 184cm, trying to get ahold of a cheap pair of Nomads 191cm.
Jan 12 2021 1:31PM 1 1
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