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Pivot 14 vs 15(or 18) weight

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AaronO.
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Yes, yet another pivot thread. search barred and didn’t really find anything on this.

Hey guys, I was just wondering what your thoughts on 14 vs 15 weight wise are. The pair of skis i’m planning on mounting are already a rather heavy ski (2480g per) and i noticed the difference is 135g per binding.

I’m thinking the 14’s will be the better choice for this pair just to keep them lighter, but that metal construction on the 15’s is so tempting.

have always had griffons and have never really looked at the details of weights of things before, so i’m not too sure if this will even make a noticeable difference. Any expertise on the subject would be much appreciated!

Cheers
Aug 21 2020 1:17PM 3 0
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rubberpantaloons
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Doesnt say how heavy you are in the thread, but if you are wondering wether you should get 14 or 18, usually means you need 14 din. You wont notice the weight difference between 14 and 15 so get whichever, but note that the 15 does not have vertical release in the toe if that matters to ya
Aug 21 2020 1:40PM 5 2
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CatdickBojangles
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Honestly you won’t notice much of a difference unless your going up hill. If you blow a lot of bindings up go for the metal construction of the 15s. Either one is a super solid binding.
Aug 21 2020 2:02PM 9 0
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SofaKingSick
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CatdickBojanglesHonestly you won’t notice much of a difference unless your going up hill. If you blow a lot of bindings up go for the metal construction of the 15s. Either one is a super solid binding.


yeah for downhill skis i wouldn't even worry about that weight difference. either way is fine but the metal toe is nice and durable. if i were you i'd just be concerned with the price difference, 15s are new and expensive and won't be on sale any time soon (i guess unless this ski season is an unmitigated disaster) and the 14s have been on sale recently
Aug 21 2020 2:14PM 3 0
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Chaka
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air.bubbleDoesnt say how heavy you are in the thread, but if you are wondering wether you should get 14 or 18, usually means you need 14 din. You wont notice the weight difference between 14 and 15 so get whichever, but note that the 15 does not have vertical release in the toe if that matters to ya


The 15 and 18 do have an upward release. Not the same mechanism as the 14, but it's there. OP, having skied both 14s and 18s, there is really no perceptible difference in weight while you are skiing. I'd go with 15s due to feel and durability, but both are good bindings.
Aug 21 2020 2:26PM 5 0
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AaronO.
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Sweet, thank you for all the replies guys! yeah i guess i could have mentioned i’m 6 foot ~180ish and usually ride my dins about 9 to sometimes maybe 10ish range. i’m thinking 14 would be good for this pair of skis (pow skis) but will probably try some 15’s for my all mountain skis. price isn’t the biggest deal but yeah it is nice the 14 is a lot cheaper right now.
Aug 21 2020 4:16PM 1 0
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broken_skier0
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Almost no one needs a binding with a DIN above 14, unless you're 210+ pounds, skiing on the World Cup, or competing in the X-games. If you look at a typical manufacturer DIN adjustment chart based on ISO 11088, it won't list any DIN values about 12. Whatever you get, don't set the DIN too high or you could seriously hurt yourself.

**This post was edited on Aug 21st 2020 at 6:10:41pm
Aug 21 2020 6:02PM 4 0
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AaronO.
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broken_skier0Almost no one needs a binding with a DIN above 14, unless you're 210+ pounds, skiing on the World Cup, or competing in the X-games. If you look at a typical manufacturer DIN adjustment chart based on ISO 11088, it won't list any DIN values about 12. Whatever you get, don't set the DIN too high or you could seriously hurt yourself.

**This post was edited on Aug 21st 2020 at 6:10:41pm


Thanks for the advice 👍

Yeah i’m familiar with DINs and all that, i personally would never go much higher than what i mentioned around 9-10 i’m not trying to twist anything.

Good looking out though
Aug 21 2020 7:29PM 2 0
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SofaKingSick
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broken_skier0Almost no one needs a binding with a DIN above 14, unless you're 210+ pounds, skiing on the World Cup, or competing in the X-games. If you look at a typical manufacturer DIN adjustment chart based on ISO 11088, it won't list any DIN values about 12. Whatever you get, don't set the DIN too high or you could seriously hurt yourself.

**This post was edited on Aug 21st 2020 at 6:10:41pm


I mostly agree about DIN levels (though imo your statement was hyperbolic) but somewhat regardless of DIN I've blown up plastic bindings too many times to not prefer metal bindings, and that's before even considering the life span of the binding

it's not unreasonable at all to want the metal toe even if you're running medium level DINs

Hell, you obviously can't take the manufacturer's prescription for it in all cases, the FKSs disappeared entirely for a few years until they came back by popular demand, and now in 2020 the midrange DIN metal model is back in the form of the 15, presumably by popular demand as well and I was definitely one of the people squawking about it for years
Aug 21 2020 7:49PM 4 0
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animator
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ChakaThe 15 and 18 do have an upward release. Not the same mechanism as the 14, but it's there. OP, having skied both 14s and 18s, there is really no perceptible difference in weight while you are skiing. I'd go with 15s due to feel and durability, but both are good bindings.

Wait wait so do they have upward release or not? I’ve been told that they do and that they don’t so many times I don’t know who to believe
Aug 21 2020 8:24PM 1 0
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broken_skier0
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SofaKingSickI mostly agree about DIN levels (though imo your statement was hyperbolic) but somewhat regardless of DIN I've blown up plastic bindings too many times to not prefer metal bindings, and that's before even considering the life span of the binding

it's not unreasonable at all to want the metal toe even if you're running medium level DINs

Hell, you obviously can't take the manufacturer's prescription for it in all cases, the FKSs disappeared entirely for a few years until they came back by popular demand, and now in 2020 the midrange DIN metal model is back in the form of the 15, presumably by popular demand as well and I was definitely one of the people squawking about it for years


There's not a lot of margin to increase the DIN past its recommended point for a level 3+ skier(of your height, weight, BSL) and the point where your bones, primarily the tibia, will fracture before the bindings release. So it's not much hyperbole to say almost no one should have their DIN cranked past 14.
Aug 21 2020 10:04PM 0 0
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HypeBeast
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I think you've made up your mind about weight but felt the need to add that the difference converting kg to lbs is 0.3lbs per binding so 0.6lbs total. That's negligible and even if you're doing uphill stuff, if a half pound is making a difference you need better legs lol. People might disagree but eh
Aug 21 2020 10:12PM 4 0
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AaronO.
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Turd__AuthorityI think you've made up your mind about weight but felt the need to add that the difference converting kg to lbs is 0.3lbs per binding so 0.6lbs total. That's negligible and even if you're doing uphill stuff, if a half pound is making a difference you need better legs lol. People might disagree but eh

Okay, haha I just wanted to get some people’s thoughts. didn’t really know if over half a pound was enough to be noticed, i’ve never really paid attention to the weight of gear. I got a pair of J Skis The Friend in 189 and from everything i’ve heard they’re some hefty boys to begin with that’s why I was thinking about it.
Aug 21 2020 11:03PM 2 0
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SofaKingSick
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AaronO.Okay, haha I just wanted to get some people’s thoughts. didn’t really know if over half a pound was enough to be noticed, i’ve never really paid attention to the weight of gear. I got a pair of J Skis The Friend in 189 and from everything i’ve heard they’re some hefty boys to begin with that’s why I was thinking about it.


On a skinning setup that's def a consideration, but for a resort setup i honestly don't think it's even worth thinking about
Aug 21 2020 11:14PM 2 0
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SofaKingSick
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broken_skier0There's not a lot of margin to increase the DIN past its recommended point for a level 3+ skier(of your height, weight, BSL) and the point where your bones, primarily the tibia, will fracture before the bindings release. So it's not much hyperbole to say almost no one should have their DIN cranked past 14.

Even if we pretend for a second that all bindings set to 14 DIN behave exactly the same, that's not really the point. Pivot 15s's range is 6-15
Aug 21 2020 11:20PM 1 0
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AaronO.
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SofaKingSickOn a skinning setup that's def a consideration, but for a resort setup i honestly don't think it's even worth thinking about

yeah I’ve been thinking about the possibility of skinning with these, but I would probably just prefer a different ski for that. These are for shredding Grand Targhee this season (please rona don’t fuck this)
Aug 22 2020 12:36AM 0 0
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DeebieSkeebies
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AaronO.Okay, haha I just wanted to get some people’s thoughts. didn’t really know if over half a pound was enough to be noticed, i’ve never really paid attention to the weight of gear. I got a pair of J Skis The Friend in 189 and from everything i’ve heard they’re some hefty boys to begin with that’s why I was thinking about it.

You get used to the weight of pivot15/18s overtime. Kinda helps you feel more stable if that makes sense, having some weight on your feet.
Aug 22 2020 10:56AM 2 0
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Chaka
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animatorWait wait so do they have upward release or not? I’ve been told that they do and that they don’t so many times I don’t know who to believe

It was debated pretty hotly for a few years on TGR but finally someone emailed a couple reps from Rossi and they confirmed that the 18s do have an upward release in the toe. It’s a pretty common fks misconception, like people thinking they have lateral release in the heel or you can’t ski them at the lower end of their din range etc.
Aug 23 2020 10:05AM 1 0
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vibecheck
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buy full tilts
Sep 13 2020 8:51PM 2 2
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AaronO.
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vibecheckbuy full tilts


full tilt binding company?
Sep 13 2020 9:06PM 1 0
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alpineplease
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anyone got the weights on these?
May 18 2021 8:23PM 0 0
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