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Help me pick a new pair of skiis

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Gnarbear
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Hello all,

After 6 years I think I've finally realised that my skis are shagged, I was running 179 K2 domains 2013 (realistically they are 184 in height) as I had the belief that I was going to focus on more park and try and learn tricks. I think I've finally come to the realisation 360s and a couple of grabs are probably going to be the extent of my freestyle capabilities as I can't get out to ski as often anymore and while I want to do more park and off piste I spend most of my time on piste.
I'm looking to buy a new set of skis this year before winter, I primarily ski in France and Switzerland and while I would like to do more off piste, the conditions in the last couple of years haven't really enabled much off piste skiing.

Things I'm looking for from my skis:
- High top speed capability: (my domains chatter and waver at high speed, which is annoying) by high speed I regularly go 45-56 mph on runs so I would say its quite important to me (what actually influences this on a ski?)
- Carving capability (my domains are a nightmare to carve at any speed), they don't have to be easy
- All mountain capability: 60-70% on piste remainder off (so not boats on my feet, been looking sub 100 waist)
- Twin tips (atleast slightly): I ski backwards a lot
- Bit of park capability to pop off jumps but definitely harder than my domains.
- A base that stays waxed for a while (when waxed they don't last many days before going back to being slow AF but they are pretty ragged)
- One ski for everything, don't ski enough to warrant multiple sets

My Stats:
Male, 25
6'2 /188cm
194lb / 88kg

TBH the newschoolers review has captured the essence of what I have experienced with the domains
https://www.newschoolers.com/reviews/2438/Domain

Skis I've looked at:
Black Crow Captis - 179
Black Crow Camox - 180
Line Chronic - 178
Faction Priodigy 1.0 - 181
Armada Arv 96 - 177

Looking at reviews most people on here recommend longer skis for someone as my height but I've mentioned all slightly smaller lengths as due to pivoting and skiing backwards a lot i found the length of the domains (pretty sure they are actually 184 not 179 tip to tip) to overlap with each other quite a bit which I think is due to the length, but I'd welcome any insights you may have!

I've read some reviews that the Camox handles higher speed better than the Captis, but I have struggled to find information about the Line,Factions and Armada's in relation to their speed on piste (as this is important to me but i guess not the purpose of those skis). I don't know anything about bases but the ones on the Domain were terrible and not something I want on a new ski, preferably something hard wearing and keeps wax for at least a week. .
I've tried my friends Captis 2017 and they were worlds better than the Domains on piste and he said that the bases on these barely need to be waxed ( in comparison to every 2 to 3 days with the state of my domains).

Apologies for the wall of text just wanted to try and provide as much information as possible! What do you recommend and why?
Jun 9 2020 8:41AM 1 0
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anders_a
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I would say neither , and go fischer ranger FR 102 with forward mounting them like +3 or even +4cm (since your fairly light)

superchargy, light tips so you can do fun stuff in air, and carve like beasts, even on hard packed/ice, I own both 184 +2cm mounted and 191 +3cm mounted and just love them. I've hit 60mph+ on the 184cm version, it just insane for a ski thats so much fun on jumps and just flexes so good, they are my fun ski, when I bring the 102 FR I will always ski switch, always butter, always do jumps and sidehits, hit the rollers etc. It's my goto ski for all mountain fun days.


I own or have skied most of thoose on the list, and since your not a midget, the skis, and lengths are not good for you and the use you describe. All the skis on the list are good for what they are though, but not the use you describe, and definetly not the lengths.


The camox would be the only skis coming close, but 180 length? why so short? only chance would be the longer length, but again the 102 FR is better for the use you describe. If dead set on blac crows, wait for new justis, or get the 187 camox at least, but justis and camox are 500-1000 euros, and the fischers can be had for 300 euro if you go for 2020 graphics, not 2021, the fischer pink 102 FR is so awesome looking I might need a pair with new color jesters or the forza pivots... even if the fischer was 600 euros, or 1000 it would be awesome, it probably would sell more... people seem to skip it since its cheap... Guessing they will bump prices once people realize how awesome they are and sell more, like atomic did for bent chetler 100s..


I'm 189-190cm and 95-100KG. I've also skied a lot in france and swiss since my sister and parents used to live both places and I'm euro ;)

**This post was edited on Jun 9th 2020 at 9:03:46am
Jun 9 2020 9:00AM 0 0
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Simkiwinki
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Jun 9 2020 2:36PM 1 0
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Gnarbear
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Can you explain why the ski lengths aren't good for my height? The reason I was opposed to a longer ski is because I found when pivoting and some switch skiing, my skiis would cross around the tips and wavered which I assumed was due to the length of the skis. Is the length offset by the front mounting, your suggesting +3 or +4? I think my domains are currently 0 mounted as I speced them for freestyle.
The recommendations also seem to be focused on 100+ width my understanding was that this width orientates it more towards off piste?

anders_aI would say neither , and go fischer ranger FR 102 with forward mounting them like +3 or even +4cm (since your fairly light)

superchargy, light tips so you can do fun stuff in air, and carve like beasts, even on hard packed/ice, I own both 184 +2cm mounted and 191 +3cm mounted and just love them. I've hit 60mph+ on the 184cm version, it just insane for a ski thats so much fun on jumps and just flexes so good, they are my fun ski, when I bring the 102 FR I will always ski switch, always butter, always do jumps and sidehits, hit the rollers etc. It's my goto ski for all mountain fun days.


I own or have skied most of thoose on the list, and since your not a midget, the skis, and lengths are not good for you and the use you describe. All the skis on the list are good for what they are though, but not the use you describe, and definetly not the lengths.


The camox would be the only skis coming close, but 180 length? why so short? only chance would be the longer length, but again the 102 FR is better for the use you describe. If dead set on blac crows, wait for new justis, or get the 187 camox at least, but justis and camox are 500-1000 euros, and the fischers can be had for 300 euro if you go for 2020 graphics, not 2021, the fischer pink 102 FR is so awesome looking I might need a pair with new color jesters or the forza pivots... even if the fischer was 600 euros, or 1000 it would be awesome, it probably would sell more... people seem to skip it since its cheap... Guessing they will bump prices once people realize how awesome they are and sell more, like atomic did for bent chetler 100s..


I'm 189-190cm and 95-100KG. I've also skied a lot in france and swiss since my sister and parents used to live both places and I'm euro ;)

**This post was edited on Jun 9th 2020 at 9:03:46am


**This post was edited on Jun 10th 2020 at 7:51:43am
Jun 10 2020 7:23AM 0 0
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anders_a
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GnarbearCan you explain why the ski lengths aren't good for my height? The reason I was opposed to a longer ski is because I found when pivoting and some switch skiing, my skiis would cross around the tips and wavered which I assumed was due to the length of the skis. Is the length offset by the front mounting, your suggesting +3 or +4? I think my domains are currently 0 mounted as I speced them for freestyle.
The recommendations also seem to be focused on 100+ width my understanding was that this width orientates it more towards off piste?



**This post was edited on Jun 10th 2020 at 7:51:43am


I'm really not a big fan of the 100+ myself, with that beeing said it seems to be the area that gets the most focus and development theese days, and where before most 100mm skis used to be ... pretty boring for piste you now get a lot of amazing skis. so 100mm is perfectly norrmal onpiste width now, and you get some truely amazing 100mm skis.


The +3 or +4cm was vs the suggested mount point on the specific 102 FR model, the mount point is very far back for "modern use" and park fun, its still not center mounted on the ski. Mounting point has to matchup with the ski profile and how you ski it.



Depending on your level, you want a ski around your height. For just offpiste, over your height, for onpiste, about your height, and same for park, only reason to go lower is because you suck at skiiing and are new.



Longer skis ads stability and a lot of other good things, having a ski 8cm shorter than you is just not good. As for hard to manouver, this is more how the ski is designed, than the length itself, meaning a 190cm ski, can be easier in tight trees, than a 180cm ski!! rocker, camber, tail shape etc comes to play. so 100mm skis can be piste racers theese days, others can be nice in the pow, and now you also get skis than can actually do both quite good.

Some skis skis "true to length" some skis supershort, some skis long, the effective edge + the rocker camber comes to play here.
Jun 10 2020 8:15AM 0 0
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