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Turd__AuthorityDude Minneapolis is on fire. You really think there's such a clear distinction between "protesters" and looters? If that's the case, most people aren't protesting.
BiffbarfIf the protesters who support the looters really gave a fuck, they'd use their numbers to lynch that cop in the street.
But that may mean they'd have to fight and risk death for what they believe in. And there's wayyyyyy less free playstations.
PeppermillRenoTarget is printing money bro who cares if oppressed people get a TV?
Good for them especially if they don’t fuck with small businesses.
I got no issues with a poor black person getting free shit from target after what that pig did.
BiffbarfIf the protesters who support the looters really gave a fuck, they'd use their numbers to lynch that cop in the street.
But that may mean they'd have to fight and risk death for what they believe in. And there's wayyyyyy less free playstations.
PeppermillRenoTarget is printing money bro who cares if oppressed people get a TV?
Good for them especially if they don’t fuck with small businesses.
I got no issues with a poor black person getting free shit from target after what that pig did.
CLQNon-violent protests never work anyway, people just want non-violent protests so they can just put it to the back of their mind and forget about it.
Charlie_KellyPlease explain the systems in place specifically designed to oppress black people.
Explain why black kids struggle to graduate HS
Explain why the single motherhood rate jumped from 20% to 75%
Explain how America is more racist now than in the 60’s.
Love to hear some responses.
r00kieCan you give an example of when violent rioting and looting have worked?
CLQhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
r00kieBoston Tea Party did not actually change anything though, in fact it hurt the colonists as parliament cracked down on the colonies afterwards. Also, no unassociated businesses or people were harmed. When has violent rioting like we are seeing in Minnesota right now significantly changed legislation or cultural norms?
CLQNon-violent protests never work anyway, people just want non-violent protests so they can just put it to the back of their mind and forget about it.
CLQhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre
Do you legitimately believe that the Boston Tea Party didn't have a massive impact on the US as we know it today?
r00kieI would say the Tea Party is a good representation of the frustrations the colonists had, but that specific event did not bring significant change. The Declaration, an organized revolution, the British surrunder, and the framing of the Constitution are what brought actual change.
But back to the original point that you keep dodging and pivoting away from. When have violent riots like the ones you are advocating for brought significant positive change? You have yet to provide an example.
r00kieI would say the Tea Party is a good representation of the frustrations the colonists had, but that specific event did not bring significant change.
CLQLiterally from the Wikipedia article..
"The Boston Tea Party was a significant event in the growth of the American Revolution."
CaseyIt’s a vicious cycle, and one that was set in motion a very long time ago. We tend to think that the systems we live with are just kind of the default of how things would always ever be, you don’t notice the air as you walk around every day but it’s everywhere. A lot of how success and wealth is accumulated today is the result of building up money/property/status over a long period of time. If a guy grew up poor and became rich that is like 99/1 not the most common type of rich person in America. So if your ancestors were deprived of accumulating wealth since the foundation of the British colonies until it officially became illegal in 1964, I don’t really see why it’s that difficult to believe that poses a bit of a disadvantage in our capitalist society.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but money is GOD in this country- especially old money. If you are old money, you have connections that shield you from the consequences of your actions in every single facet of your life. Substance abuse? Mental illness? Dumb as rocks? Raped a girl at a party blacked out drunk? You get a free pass for anything with the right last name and enough money in the bank.
Conversely, if the highest paying job in your neighborhood is crack dealer you aren’t entitled to any of that. Schools are funded off of property tax levies where I live, so shitty neighborhood = shitty school. Even if you were to get through that, How many people right out of high school can afford to do nothing for 4 years or work some bullshit part time job during the summer while they shell out 20k a year for university? Never saw a poor black kid at any frat party I ever went to.
r00kieIm not saying they are insignificant. I am saying that they are not the events that brought actual structural change. These events also did not bring harm to individuals and businesses that had absolutely nothong to do with the reason for protest. Smashing a window and harming people does nothing to further a cause, which from what I can tell from your original post is what you are advocating for.
r00kieIm not saying they are insignificant. I am saying that they are not the events that brought actual structural change. These events also did not bring harm to individuals and businesses that had absolutely nothong to do with the reason for protest. Smashing a window and harming people does nothing to further a cause, which from what I can tell from your original post is what you are advocating for.
CLQThose events did bring about structural change, there was not wide spread support for a deceleration of independence before that point. Those events were one of the biggest reasons for revolutionary war. Feel free to keep downvoting, doesn't stop you from being wrong.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely
disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the
regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the
stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux
Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to
justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a
positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I
agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods
of direct action;"
-MLK Jr
Charlie_KellyAh the “inherited wealth” fable. Fun fact, roughly 20% of millionaires inherited any sort of wealth, less than 15% of that number inherited over $100,000 and less then 3% of that inherited over a million. That’s a pretty weak argument towards systematic racism. And Ive already touched upon the schooling, being poor or living in a poor area constitutes about 0 evidence of systematic racism.
Is a college degree your measure of success? That’s a pretty low bar. It’s a shame trade schools aren’t pushed as hard as the “need to go to college” agenda.
**This post was edited on May 28th 2020 at 7:01:54pm
r00kieBack to current events. This is not the politics of the american revolution thread. How is the rioting and looting of businessed that have nothing to do with police brutality helping the cause. The goal should be to bring awareness that there are still in fact racist folks out there. How do the actions we are seeing and you are advocating for achieve that goal?
CLQBlacks faced systemic racism for hundreds of years leading to them getting paid less, having less opportunities, and segregated schools. Lets say that all racism simply ceased existing in the 1960's. Black people are still not as educated as white people, which means they can't get a nicer jobs, which means they are poor. Poor people live in poor places and due to how schools are funded (property taxes) those black people are getting an absolute shit education due to lack of funding. Poor white people are poor for a variety of reasons not related to race, most poor black people are poor due to simply being black in America.
Charlie_KellyThat is the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. Do better.
BiffbarfI mean, sure but it doesn't solve anything like a swinging piggy would.
CLQIts the dumbest thing you've read all day because it is the truth? Because you have no argument against it?
Charlie_Kelly“Most black people are poor because their black”. Most baseless claim in the entire thread. At least the other kid tried. Try again.
CLQSo baseless!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States
"As a body of law, Jim Crow institutionalized economic, educational, and social disadvantages for African Americans"
Charlie_KellyAh yes Jim Crow, such a shame those laws are still in effect...
CLQYou're just going to ignore the first post i said about this now? How that the laws aren't still around but the effects of them certainly are? Are you really going to say that getting paid less, getting a shittier education, and other disadvantages isn't going to snowball into other generations?
Charlie_KellyOver the course of 60 years? Not as much as you make it seem. I don’t think I ever said systemic racism never existed, but it definitely doesn’t exist today.
On the other had racism still doesn’t s always will, as well as incompetent and poorly policed organizations.
CLQSo my claim isn't baseless anymore? So we know black people were poor due to racist laws and when those laws were lifted, they didn't magically become better educated and given all the opportunities they missed simply because they were black. They are still poor and relatively uneducated.
Now tell me, who is better off to be successful, a school district thats spends $9,794 per student or one that spends $28,639?
https://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-schools-have-a-money-problem
**This post was edited on May 28th 2020 at 8:32:24pm
CLQBlacks faced systemic racism for hundreds of years leading to them getting paid less, having less opportunities, and segregated schools. Lets say that all racism simply ceased existing in the 1960's. Black people are still not as educated as white people, which means they can't get a nicer jobs, which means they are poor. Poor people live in poor places and due to how schools are funded (property taxes) those black people are getting an absolute shit education due to lack of funding. Poor white people are poor for a variety of reasons not related to race, most poor black people are poor due to simply being black in America.
Charlie_KellyOh it still completely is. Poor black people today aren’t poor because of Jim Crow laws 60 years ago. They aren’t uneducated because of Jim Crow laws 60 years ago. It’s just easy for you to point the finger and say that’s the reason.
Already addressed education funding my dude, thought I was pretty clear.
PeppermillRenoDude I was chilling with black people in Tampa last weekned they have their shit together.
But they do get fucked with. My buddy is banned from Carnival cruise line for nonsense. Mostly bc hes black.
You think bc someones black they don't have bills and responsibilities?
CLQEverything i said has been backed up with sources and its completely logical that hundreds of years of systemic racism isn't going to be magically absolved and "fixed" in 60 years. Your entire argument is "That's not true" while you have brought up 0 sources and i have brought up plenty. Your argument is entirely BASELESS.
Charlie_KellyYou utilizing links that point out disparities (that I’m not disagreeing with) are still not proof of systematic racism. What’s a reasonable amount of time to pass before you stop making this excuse?
CLQAh yes, when I use sources and logic its not proof! Just admit you are wrong man.
There is no set time where this just all goes away, this could go on forever without any legislation or changes on how things are done. Its not an "excuse" when your school has 3x less funding than other schools.
Charlie_KellyYou’re going “black people are poor, that’s systematic racism”. It’s such an idiotic argument.
CLQAn idiotic argument completely rooted in fact? One that you fail to disprove?
Charlie_KellyYou quoted a Wikipedia article on Jim Crow laws and an NPR article on school funding discrepancies and used that as your basis to prove systematic racism still exists. I agreed both have existed but said that’s not proof of systematic racism today. If you can’t understand that you might be more delusional than I previously thought.
CLQBro the English taxed us, we shouldn't be attacking the East India Trading company, its no there fault!!!
A black man was just murdered, on camera for 7 minutes and you expect them to go walk down a street peacefully acting like that will do anything for change. I would love to see YOU bring up some peaceful protests that have actually done something! Thanks! Also read that MLK quote again
r00kieThe civil rights movement of the 60s was built on peaceful protests. It ended legalized segregation. The lgbt movement have been largely peaceful. Their "protests" are pretty much street parties with parades and concerts. The gun rights movement has always had peaceful protests. The climate change awareness movement has be peaceful. I could go on. Violence has never and will never, be a productive method to create social change. Works to overthrow a government but does not change the minds of the general public.
CLQThe civil rights movement that took almost a decade for things to really happen? Those "peaceful protests" were anything but by the way. Just look up "Brimingham Protests" and you will see high pressure hoses and police dogs being used on students. These non-violent protests were mostly led by or inspired by MLK Jr. Less than a year before his death MLK Jr had this to say:
“Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena,” he
told the assembled crowd of mostly white doctors and academics. “They
may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban
riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The
rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of
institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community.
They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their
principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and
deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white
man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he
takes; he wants the experience of taking.”
https://timeline.com/by-the-end-of-his-life-martin-luther-king-realized-the-validity-of-violence-4de177a8c87b
You then bring up all these recent non-violent protests that have done absolutely nothing. Seriously what has the "Womans March", one of the biggest protests in US history done? Those protests are so useless.
CLQI'm not saying that black people can't be successful, they absolutely can be! It's just harder when schools full of primarily minority students get 3x less funding than other schools in that state.
BigPurpleSkiSuitI vote for you to stay
