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Marker Squire on Wakeskis ?

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Ksyle
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Pardon my english, I'm not a native english speaker :3.

I wanna try wakeskiing for a while now, and I have an old pair of Marker Squire and ski boots laying around. I've seen it's possible to put actual ski bindings on wakeskis here (last post) and here.

Also, it seems like wakeskis are much more affordable nowadays compared to 10 years ago, with brands selling it for $200 to $400:
- Method
- HO
- Stereo
- Imperial skis

Since people have already tried ski bindings on Stereo and Imperial Wakeskis, would it also be doable with, say, HO or Method wakeskis?

Anyone still wakeskiing here? Just a random edit to maybe make you wanna try it too :D

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/958957/WAKESKI-Sorcellery---Proselyte-2

**This thread was edited on Mar 19th 2020 at 7:42:20pm

**This thread was edited on Mar 19th 2020 at 7:42:47pm
Mar 19 2020 7:39PM
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dolanslebensraum
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looks like fun but i think id get tired of it after a few hours.

kinda reminds you how awesome snow skiing is.
Mar 19 2020 11:27PM
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OregonDead
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I like the way you think OP
Mar 20 2020 9:26PM
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CatdickBojangles
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I mean I guess it would work. But are wake skis foam core or wood core? Probably have to crank the dins too because of all the force.
Mar 21 2020 10:53AM
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Auschie
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Why not just get actual wake/waterski boots?

I have a pair of Stereo Remix Limiteds and Phonic Boots. They are fun but after jumping wake, doing some grabs and such I didn’t have the drive to progress. Switched to wakeboarding and I greatly recommend it. My whole family wakeboards though so it is a better environment to feed off each other and push for new tricks.

If you do abandon the will to wakeski and you buy a wakeboard, go big. We’ve bumped up in the past year to a 142 LF RDX board and my brother in law even bought a 150 HL Murray this offseason which we are pumped to get on. All of us are about 5’ 11” - 6’ 3” and 170-220 lbs.

Like I said wakeskiing was fun but didn’t translate as much as I figured from snow skiing and wakeboarding has just been so much more fun.
Mar 21 2020 11:34AM
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Ksyle
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CatdickBojanglesI mean I guess it would work. But are wake skis foam core or wood core?

That's exactly why I ask : Imperial wakeskis have a wooden core and fibercglass like a (snow)ski would, and it is meant to install regular ski bindings on it. I checked Method website and it's also a wood core, reason why I thought maybe it's also doable on those.

CatdickBojanglesProbably have to crank the dins too because of all the force.

I would have thought so too, but they actually recommend lowering the din -3 on Imperial's website. If I happen to get such a setup, I'll start at low din and increase it progressively until it doesn't pop off for no reason.

AuschieWhy not just get actual wake/waterski boots?

I have at hand an old pair of Marker Squire and Full Tilt Booter that could have a second life :) that would reduce the overall cost.

AuschieLike I said wakeskiing was fun but didn’t translate as much as I figured from snow skiing and wakeboarding has just been so much more fun.

Maybe with actual ski boots it would translate better (last post) ?

There definitelty is a reason why we don't see much wakeskis. But if it's not too expensive I'd still give it a go, maybe I'll like it as much as wakeboarding, and I potentially have already half of the gear... Thanks for the recommendations regarding which wake to buy though, I'll keep that in mind
Mar 21 2020 12:27PM
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Auschie
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KsyleThat's exactly why I ask : Imperial wakeskis have a wooden core and fibercglass like a (snow)ski would, and it is meant to install regular ski bindings on it. I checked Method website and it's also a wood core, reason why I thought maybe it's also doable on those.


I would have thought so too, but they actually recommend lowering the din -3 on Imperial's website. If I happen to get such a setup, I'll start at low din and increase it progressively until it doesn't pop off for no reason.


I have at hand an old pair of Marker Squire and Full Tilt Booter that could have a second life :) that would reduce the overall cost.


Maybe with actual ski boots it would translate better (last post) ?

There definitelty is a reason why we don't see much wakeskis. But if it's not too expensive I'd still give it a go, maybe I'll like it as much as wakeboarding, and I potentially have already half of the gear... Thanks for the recommendations regarding which wake to buy though, I'll keep that in mind


Gotcha. By the way I am in no way trying to discourage you from wakeskiing. I still use mine every now and again, plus my friends that come over find it more approachable than wakeboarding when you have a snow skiing background.

Hopefully you can mount up the bindings. If not try to find some wakeski boots on ebay, that’s where I picked up all of my stuff for cheap.
Mar 21 2020 12:37PM
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Auschie
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Also this probably goes without saying but make sure you invest in a decent wakeboard rope/handle. Especially if you’re planning to take this seriously, a wrap handle with a nice grip will be dream for your hands and learning bigger tricks. You can probably find ones on sale right now from last season. But really the rope is huge and a normal ski rope will not suffice for wakeskiing.

What boat will you be riding behind? That’s another huge factor. Wake size/shape/rope length/boat speed, etc will all play a factor in how you progress and enjoy it.
Mar 21 2020 12:53PM
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Ksyle
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I've made up my mind, thanks for the feedback Auschie!

I live 10 min from one of the two cable parks shown on the youtube video I shared in the first post: I don't get to chose the rope and stuff. However I'm sure they can bump up the speed depending on the conditions and the people on it!

I'm too curious to test with snowski boots, so worst case scenario I get those $200 Imperial wakeskis and install the Squire on it. It's so cheap if it doesn't go well I'll be able to afford the wakeboard boots. Best case scenario, I get a positive answer from Method and go for their wakeskis (I've seen a discount on it) and foreward their answer here. I started this post because I don't have an answer from them but it's such a niche that my hopes finding someone that has done it on these Method wakeski specifically was delusional.

I'll share my experience here (if the confinement is over by then)
Mar 22 2020 4:03PM
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alexzlo
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Impreaial wakes skis available on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/362671352008



If you have questions, write me PM

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Jun 29 2020 7:34AM
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Ksyle
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Update :

I tried to buy Imperial Wakeski (Dazzle) on ebay, but I have been refunded and the item was delisted, no news from them since then :(

I was tempted to order directly from their website but in the end I found a pair on ebay (no name brand, yet expensive), and I'll try mounting the Marker Squire myself drilling holes with a paper template.

I'll drill holes with the recommended dimensions from the ski from where I got the Squire (3.6x9) so that I'm sure the screws will hold the same.

I'll let you know how it goes.

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May 15 2021 6:31AM
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Casey
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Are water ski bindings just super expensive or something? Seems like you could get a couple of slalom high wraps and do it old school for cheap.
May 15 2021 5:44PM
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Ksyle
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Having your ankles free/loose while wakeskiing kinda sucks : not enough control over the board. I'm looking for something rigid.

Now if you want proper wakeski bindings the common options would be:
- using specific wakeski binding like Stereo did
- using wakeboard bindings (some wakeskis come with inserts already for it)
- using snowboard bindings with very stiff boots
- install regular ski bindings and use ski boots

All of these options but the last will allow your knee to blow up. All of them are very expensive.

In my case though, I already have an old pair of full tilt booters and marker squire I could give a second life to, that would bring the binding cost down to literally zero. And I care for my knees. Downside of this is the weight.
May 16 2021 2:35PM
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MoneyMakerMike
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Or you could just wakeboard
May 16 2021 4:08PM
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Ksyle
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Or you could just read the thread entirely, where this has already been discussed :/
May 17 2021 1:25AM
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Jacobthesadskier
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Anyone else considered doing this the other way round and using wakeskis on snow? Or am I just being weird?
May 17 2021 1:01PM
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Ksyle
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Imperial advertises it, with it's Dazzle. You can see a guy jumping off a cliff with wakeskis in powder. If I remember well there are a couple videos as well in which the guy ride em on snow
May 17 2021 1:15PM
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Ksyle
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I received the skis. Now I just need the drilling tool that should arrive this week, and if everything goes well, I should be testing the board this week end :D





May 17 2021 1:28PM
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Chrischi69
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Sounds sketchy cause i dont think water skis are wood plus if you catch the ski and try to release vertically thay shit would hurt
May 17 2021 8:11PM
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Ksyle
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The construction is wood core, fiber glass and p-tex, like an alpine ski.

Not sure I understood about the release though. If I catch an edge on wakeski with with wakeshoes, I cannot release at all.. How could it be worse with ski binding and ski shoes than wakeshoes or other kind of wakeski bindings?

**This post was edited on May 18th 2021 at 1:05:16am
May 18 2021 1:04AM
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apc.fr
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KsyleThe construction is wood core, fiber glass and p-tex, like an alpine ski.

Not sure I understood about the release though. If I catch an edge on wakeski with with wakeshoes, I cannot release at all.. How could it be worse with ski binding and ski shoes than wakeshoes or other kind of wakeski bindings?

**This post was edited on May 18th 2021 at 1:05:16am


Wake skiing was awesome at the cable park. On anything else, it's less great. A tow bar helps, but the upward pull of the cable makes a huge difference.

I'd say tib/fib breaks and knee injuries are more likely with ski boots vs wake shoes/step-ins etc. That said, I messed up the bones in my foot a little because it didn't have that support of usually do with boots.

Are you heading to cable parks or boating?
May 18 2021 3:22AM
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Ksyle
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apc.frWake skiing was awesome at the cable park. On anything else, it's less great. A tow bar helps, but the upward pull of the cable makes a huge difference.

I'd say tib/fib breaks and knee injuries are more likely with ski boots vs wake shoes/step-ins etc. That said, I messed up the bones in my foot a little because it didn't have that support of usually do with boots.

Are you heading to cable parks or boating?

Thanks for your imput!

I have a cable park season pass :)

But why do you think there is a higher chance of injury with ski boots compared to say, wakeshoes? The alpine ski bindings should release in case of a fall.
May 18 2021 7:39AM
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ginj.nz
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@zacgcb this kinda sick tho
May 19 2021 8:16PM
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Ksyle
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I mounted the bingings yesterday and tested it today, it's actually much better than I expected.

On the water it feels nimble, and I really don't feel the weight, which was my main concern, even with the shoes completely wet. It actually floats a little in the water so not a trouble swimming, just gotta use the arms only. I've yet to try it in the air, but since I suck, well, I won't have much to say about it.
May 22 2021 3:50PM
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