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Line Sir Francis Bacon vs. Armada ARV 106

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Cor_Mc1
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So, I posted awhile ago asking about the Line Sir Francis Bacon vs the Faction CT 3.0, and can say that I ended up buying the 2019 SFB's. When I got them I was actually pretty surprised how the ski rode compared it's general review, and am now curious about people's experience on the Armada ARV 106. My primary surprise was how stiff the noses were on the SFB's. I found them pretty stiff for butters, and overall a lot more stable than people let on. For me, I actually didn't love that. I want a bit more of a powder hungry flexible tip.

That being said, was wondering what experience people have had with the ARV 106 and the newer, redesigned SFB? I know the new SFB has significantly more flex to the ski, but have been a little concerned about the width of the tails for powder. I like the profile with the ARV but would love some feedback from people that have skied it. Let me know!

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Feb 23 2020 9:04PM
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Dan-Man
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I can't speak for the new SFB, but I got a pair of 2016 bacons this year and they truly are amazing!!!!

They are a ski you can do it all with. I've skied my best pow day of the year so far on them. I've skied some park on them and they don't feel to fat. They even cruise good on the groomers.
Feb 23 2020 9:31PM
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stevo.
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I just purchased the Line Outlines (SFB big bro), have never been happier with my purchase. They are a little bit fatter at the tip and tail and my god they butter like a park ski.


my buddy rides the armada ARV 106 and love them.

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Feb 23 2020 11:13PM
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Randol
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line is always the answer.
Feb 23 2020 11:23PM
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LINEenginerd
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The newest Sir Francis Bacon (with convex tips and tails) is significantly softer than the 104 mm predecessor. I believe that you have 104 Bacon which is a great ski BUT a bit of an outlier in Bacon heritage. The 104 Bacon is slightly stiffer than any other Bacon for "better" all-mountain performance. The newest Bacon (with convex tips and tails) butters allot more like the Bacons of old. It takes more hints from the 2 generations old "108 Bacon". IMO The new Bacon is one of the easiest skis to butter especially if you plan to spin off the noses... convex tech means no edge catches.

For your Bacons, Mount point and length can make a big difference in butter-ability. Moving the mount position forward could help you get further over the noses making butters allot easier. This however will come at the expense of some other things (like turning).

If you have more questions or want to dive more into specifics, feel free to DM me.
Feb 24 2020 3:08AM
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Cor_Mc1
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LINE_EnginerdThe newest Sir Francis Bacon (with convex tips and tails) is significantly softer than the 104 mm predecessor. I believe that you have 104 Bacon which is a great ski BUT a bit of an outlier in Bacon heritage. The 104 Bacon is slightly stiffer than any other Bacon for "better" all-mountain performance. The newest Bacon (with convex tips and tails) butters allot more like the Bacons of old. It takes more hints from the 2 generations old "108 Bacon". IMO The new Bacon is one of the easiest skis to butter especially if you plan to spin off the noses... convex tech means no edge catches.

For your Bacons, Mount point and length can make a big difference in butter-ability. Moving the mount position forward could help you get further over the noses making butters allot easier. This however will come at the expense of some other things (like turning).

If you have more questions or want to dive more into specifics, feel free to DM me.


Thanks for the awesome reply! Yeah i currently have them mounted at the suggested mount point, and I actually love how the 104 SFB skis on groomers, and it feels good in the air. They surprisingly carve like absolute beasts. I haven't logged any good powder days on them yet, but the stiff tips make me wonder how they'd perform in deeper snow.

I'm real interested in that 2020 bacon with those spoon nose and tail. But Also looking at the ARV profile it looks great too so I'm kind of torn.
Feb 24 2020 2:25PM
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Cor_Mc1
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LINE_EnginerdThe newest Sir Francis Bacon (with convex tips and tails) is significantly softer than the 104 mm predecessor. I believe that you have 104 Bacon which is a great ski BUT a bit of an outlier in Bacon heritage. The 104 Bacon is slightly stiffer than any other Bacon for "better" all-mountain performance. The newest Bacon (with convex tips and tails) butters allot more like the Bacons of old. It takes more hints from the 2 generations old "108 Bacon". IMO The new Bacon is one of the easiest skis to butter especially if you plan to spin off the noses... convex tech means no edge catches.

For your Bacons, Mount point and length can make a big difference in butter-ability. Moving the mount position forward could help you get further over the noses making butters allot easier. This however will come at the expense of some other things (like turning).

If you have more questions or want to dive more into specifics, feel free to DM me.


Thanks for the awesome reply! Yeah i currently have them mounted at the suggested mount point, and I actually love how the 104 SFB skis on groomers, and it feels good in the air. They surprisingly carve like absolute beasts. I haven't logged any good powder days on them yet, but the stiff tips make me wonder how they'd perform in deeper snow.

I'm real interested in that 2020 bacon with those spoon nose and tail. But Also looking at the ARV profile it looks great too so I'm kind of torn.
Feb 24 2020 2:26PM
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SamTSF
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Picked up some ARV 106s and really do love them. I'm a tall, light, all mountain ripper with a big mountain/shredder concentration. I ski in the Canadian Rockies. I've skied 15 days on the 188 with them mounted at 1.5cm back from "Freestyle Recommended" and found them to be perfect. They're stupidly predictable, poppy, fun, and hold an edge. The noses however have become a little soft and tend to get a little weak when trying to BOMB through moguls. They float extremely well where I've mounted them, the tails are super easy to get loose in the chopped stuff, and they feel solid. The tails and underfoot are stiff but fun and the noses are just a TAD soft. If you have any questions, dm me on instagram @sammyochitwa and I can send you some vids of their performance.
Feb 24 2020 5:16PM
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patagonialuke
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LINE_EnginerdThe newest Sir Francis Bacon (with convex tips and tails) is significantly softer than the 104 mm predecessor. I believe that you have 104 Bacon which is a great ski BUT a bit of an outlier in Bacon heritage. The 104 Bacon is slightly stiffer than any other Bacon for "better" all-mountain performance. The newest Bacon (with convex tips and tails) butters allot more like the Bacons of old. It takes more hints from the 2 generations old "108 Bacon". IMO The new Bacon is one of the easiest skis to butter especially if you plan to spin off the noses... convex tech means no edge catches.

For your Bacons, Mount point and length can make a big difference in butter-ability. Moving the mount position forward could help you get further over the noses making butters allot easier. This however will come at the expense of some other things (like turning).

If you have more questions or want to dive more into specifics, feel free to DM me.


^this.

19/20 SFB is incredibly easy to butter, even for someone who sucks at them like me. If that's a priority, it's one of, if not the best option in that class. ARV 106 is a bit easier to butter than the SFB you have, but not as intuitive as the new SFB, in my experience. You do get a bump in terms of stability with the ARV 106, but the new SFB is ridiculously fun at slower speeds and you can still ski it hard, just have to ski with more of a light on your feet style. Oh, and the new SFB carves just as well, if not better than the one you have.
Feb 24 2020 9:54PM
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