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Line Elisabeth re-mount help
Hi guys, first time here trying to get some help. I have an old pair of 2008 Line Elisabeth mounted with Atomic FFG12 bindings. I haven't been skiing much in the last 5 years so I never upgraded to a newer model. Now I have the problem that after a nasty fall (against some rocks) one of the bindings got damaged (twisted/bent - see pics attached) and will have to replace it. That means I will need to drill new holes away from True/Core center, about 2cm apart. I don't do much park anymore and enjoy more of backcountry and just riding groomed ski slopes with the family. The question I have is: should i mount the new bindings 2cm to the front or to the back and how much different would the skis feel when riding. Also, since I can't find the same bindings in the market anymore, what bindings would you recommend (I'm 5'9'' and weight 167 lbs). Any suggestion is welcome. Thanks.
Go 2cm back. You might notice a difference but you will get used to it quickly. If you are really worried (and I think the Lizzy is symmetrical if I remember correctly) you might be able to get away with going 1cm from the previous holes if you want to maintain as much of the same feel as possible. I cant remember where but I remember a magazine or maybe it was Blister who did a test where they completely swiss cheesed a set of skis and had success with mounting holes as little as 3/4 cm from other holes. You may even be able to mount them in the same position if you can find a binding that the mount pattern is different enough that the holes don't overlap. You could print out some different mount templates to see what works best or find a good shop that will use a few different mounting jigs to help you decide what will work best.
Salomon/Atomic
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAN09pUmhOVmQ5ZGM/edit
Look Pivot/Rossignol FKS
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAWVgtTDNqOGJNcHc/edit
Tyrolia/Head/Elan/4frnt
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAZ2ZqZ2xibVhBYWc/edit
Marker
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAOFBBb29ueTRUUWM/edit
I am a big fan of the Tyrolia Attack series bindings, other popular bindings are look pivots and the Salmon Sth2. Really you cant go too wrong with bindings unless you are getting the cheapest lightest ones. Attack 13 can be found for cheap and are branded as quite a few different bindings. The pivots have a really well designed heel and many people swear by them, but they can be finnicky to get on sometimes in pow. This is why I haven't been a fan in the past, but I also know a lot of people who don't mind this too much. I think the Pivot 14 would be a great choice. If you want a binding that will last you a really long time and you don't mind spending a little more, they are bringing back the 15 din model witch has the metal toe from the hailed Pivot 18 but with a lighter spring. Another benefit to the Pivot is that the heel mounting pattern is pretty far forward and compact relative to the Atomic mount pattern so this may be helpful for getting the
Pretty much anything will be an upgrade from the FFG12. Anything above a 12 din binding seems to be built with a little more durability in mind across the board for binding manufacturers. This is not directly related to DIN values to be clear, only an observation of pricing and build quality trends.
Salomon/Atomic
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAN09pUmhOVmQ5ZGM/edit
Look Pivot/Rossignol FKS
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAWVgtTDNqOGJNcHc/edit
Tyrolia/Head/Elan/4frnt
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAZ2ZqZ2xibVhBYWc/edit
Marker
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAOFBBb29ueTRUUWM/edit
I am a big fan of the Tyrolia Attack series bindings, other popular bindings are look pivots and the Salmon Sth2. Really you cant go too wrong with bindings unless you are getting the cheapest lightest ones. Attack 13 can be found for cheap and are branded as quite a few different bindings. The pivots have a really well designed heel and many people swear by them, but they can be finnicky to get on sometimes in pow. This is why I haven't been a fan in the past, but I also know a lot of people who don't mind this too much. I think the Pivot 14 would be a great choice. If you want a binding that will last you a really long time and you don't mind spending a little more, they are bringing back the 15 din model witch has the metal toe from the hailed Pivot 18 but with a lighter spring. Another benefit to the Pivot is that the heel mounting pattern is pretty far forward and compact relative to the Atomic mount pattern so this may be helpful for getting the
Pretty much anything will be an upgrade from the FFG12. Anything above a 12 din binding seems to be built with a little more durability in mind across the board for binding manufacturers. This is not directly related to DIN values to be clear, only an observation of pricing and build quality trends.
You can remount bindings within 7-8mm of the old holes and as mentioned above, you could find other bindings with different hole patterns that would put you in the same mount position.
Another easy option is just getting newer Salomon/Atomic bindings(STH maybe?) that have the same hole pattern and you could reuse the existing holes.
Another easy option is just getting newer Salomon/Atomic bindings(STH maybe?) that have the same hole pattern and you could reuse the existing holes.
Recommend mount is -2cm from true center, so mounting there should be fine.
Greg_KYou can remount bindings within 7-8mm of the old holes and as mentioned above, you could find other bindings with different hole patterns that would put you in the same mount position.
Another easy option is just getting newer Salomon/Atomic bindings(STH maybe?) that have the same hole pattern and you could reuse the existing holes.
Yeah, take it to a shop and see if they can coil the holes to fit a newer binding. Worst case scenario, OP, you go a few mm's back and feel no difference with the Lizzies. Prop's for rocking a legendary ski, keep it going into the future man.
Cant imagine skiing them forward of center. I never recommend center mounting skis. When you ski regular you flex into the tips/have weight on your shins. When you ski switch people usually lean forward (toward the tip). This is somewhat equivalent to skiing regular and loading up the tails, which is wrong. By mounting them back from true center, you get more weight on the tails when skiing switch.
Depends on the ski but usually -2.5 is where I put my bindings on park skis. If your going more all mountain, I would definitely mount them back from center.
Depends on the ski but usually -2.5 is where I put my bindings on park skis. If your going more all mountain, I would definitely mount them back from center.
If it were me I'd just try to source a new heel and reuse the same holes. Not sure what other bindings used the same heel piece but I do know that they made a ton of those things and some of them were branded Salomon Z12. I have a pair on my line prophets and I always thought they seemed shitty but somehow they are still working after probably hundreds of days of abuse so I am somehow more impressed with them than I was when they first come out. If I did have to buy new I'd buy something else and go like 2cm back but first I'd ask around on here and TGR and see if someone has a heel like yours they will let you have for cheap
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