Impeachment Inquiry to be started against Donald Trump

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Trump is just gonna use the impeachment as "proof" that the establishment/jews/clintons/martians are out to get him. Its just gonna convince his supporters of the same thing. No matter which side you are on, the govt is corrupt as shit, and past its prime. Hope Vermin Supreme wins this damn election.

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Guess they felt he's had enough time incriminating himself. Time will tell but he's a frign weasel.

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The real question is, if the government starts forcing you to live in an apartment and carry an identity microchip , would you do it ?

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Basically just a statement by Congress, won't get past the Senate but will likely hurt him in the election. As it has been said this will likely fuel his followers but it will likely deter others who don't know who to vote for.

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I hate Trump but this isn’t gonna help anyone.

I wish we had the freedom to choose from more than 2 overlord parties.

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I think it's possible he'll be impeached by the house. I don't think the Senate would convict and remove him from office tho.

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midwesternmaniacThe real question is, if the government starts forcing you to live in an apartment and carry an identity microchip , would you do it ?

unless i'm missing a reference of some point, the last word in your username describes you pretty well.

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midwesternmaniacThe real question is, if the government starts forcing you to live in an apartment and carry an identity microchip , would you do it ?

Government can suck my meat if they do that

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50KalI hate Trump but this isn’t gonna help anyone.

I wish we had the freedom to choose from more than 2 overlord parties.

Ditching the 2 party system won't change much, but its a start. Up in Canada, its kinda fucked because we have 1 right wingish party (2nd one is practically irrelevant, RIP Mad Max), and 3 left wingish parties. In this coming election, all the conservatives will vote for the CPC, and the leftish votes will be split between 3 parties. It would be better if there were 2 more conservative parties to balance it out, the CPC is gonna (unfortunately) win. While having more than 2 parties does mean things like happen, I believe that we should have the right to vote for exactly who we want, instead of voting for someone we don't really like, just to prevent someone worse from being elected. If your beliefs match up with a 3d party candidate, vote for them. #vermin2020

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I give him a 0% chance of being removed from office and prolly a 70%chance or better of getting reelected.

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theabortionatorI give him a 0% chance of being removed from office and prolly a 70%chance or better of getting reelected.

I’d say it’s 50-50 on re-election.
If the dems can pull their heads out of their ass and produce a non toxic candidate they could win.

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midwesternmaniacThe real question is, if the government starts forcing you to live in an apartment and carry an identity microchip , would you do it ?

I remember my tea party aunt telling me about this (the apartment thing—obama’s america) but don’t remember what the theory was called.

Biden-Gabbard ticket is what I’m hoping for. If Warren wins the dem nomination then we got 4 more years of Trump ahead

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50KalI’d say it’s 50-50 on re-election.
If the dems can pull their heads out of their ass and produce a non toxic candidate they could win.

For sure. He's going to get a pretty large amount of votes though regardless. Interested to see what happened. The people who think he's going to get impeached or have 0 chance winning again are crazy though. Then again, Murica has gone crazy so anything is possible.

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Never going to happen. The Democrats keep making up fake scandals that turn out to be nothing and they do it against their own self interest. The only thing anyone on the left can unify on right now is that orange man bad, everyone must pay more taxes to change the weather, and anyone who disagrees with their new religious doctrine must be a Nazi and a bigot. The silent majority are tired of it.

Trump is on a roll right now and the Democrats have no choice but to ACT like they have a chance. They don't. The Democrat party as you all know it is finished. They do nothing but fight amongst themselves and have temper tantrums because they still can't come to terms with the fact that Trump won.

He will be reelected no problem.

Last month the RNC raised TRIPLE the amount of money the DNC did. The RNC currently has 6.5x more money in their war chest than the Democrats and theyre spending less than the DNC is. That's because people across the country are giving their cold hard cash to the party that doesn't want to tear this country to shreds.

Still doubt it? Trump raised $15 million in one day.. in California. Not a single dem candidate even comes close. Simmer on that one for a minute.

I look forward to reading the full transcript of trump's phonecall that he's due to declassify today. I think half you guys will be having nothingburgers for lunch this afternoon 🤣

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T.L.Never going to happen. The Democrats keep making up fake scandals that turn out to be nothing and they do it against their own self interest. The only thing anyone on the left can unify on right now is that orange man bad, everyone must pay more taxes to change the weather, and anyone who disagrees with their new religious doctrine must be a Nazi and a bigot. The silent majority are tired of it.

Trump is on a roll right now and the Democrats have no choice but to ACT like they have a chance. They don't. The Democrat party as you all know it is finished. They do nothing but fight amongst themselves and have temper tantrums because they still can't come to terms with the fact that Trump won.

He will be reelected no problem.

Last month the RNC raised TRIPLE the amount of money the DNC did. The RNC currently has 6.5x more money in their war chest than the Democrats and theyre spending less than the DNC is. That's because people across the country are giving their cold hard cash to the party that doesn't want to tear this country to shreds.

Still doubt it? Trump raised $15 million in one day.. in California. Not a single dem candidate even comes close. Simmer on that one for a minute.

I look forward to reading the full transcript of trump's phonecall that he's due to declassify today. I think half you guys will be having nothingburgers for lunch this afternoon 🤣

I don't think money raised is a sign of a positive influence over the masses coming from a billionaire
https://letsbehonestusa.com/trumps-tax-law-a-bad-deal-for-middle-class-families/

not to mention California didn't even vote for trump last election, idk why they would now

So how would the democrats tear apart a country?

I am Canadian and unfamiliar with their campaign proposals
elaborate

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icedI don't think money raised is a sign of a positive influence over the masses coming from a billionaire
https://letsbehonestusa.com/trumps-tax-law-a-bad-deal-for-middle-class-families/

not to mention California didn't even vote for trump last election, idk why they would now

So how would the democrats tear apart a country?

I am Canadian and unfamiliar with their campaign proposals
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Regressive lefists knowingly lead their followers down paths of false hope based on incorrect or straight up fake information. It's straight up dangerous. Russia collusion, hoax. Donald Trump is a racist, fake news. Donald Trump said Nazis are fine people, fake. Donald Trump is appointing a serial rapist to the SC, hoax. Donald Trump iz bad becuz Stormy Daniels and Michael Avenatti say so, nothingburger. I could go on and on.

I don't know what letsbehonestusa is but I'm not giving blog spam any credit or clicks so find a new source for your pre programmed opinion.

California has loads of conservatives outside of LA. Historically, a lot of them don't bother voting because they figure that LA will be picking their electoral votes. I think that might be a little different this time.

Things democrat candidates are running on right now:

- The continuity of the college scam for anyone who wants to go into debt for useless degrees. They want to pass that burden on to everyone else.

- free $1000/month for everyone out of thin air.

- compulsory gun confiscations.

- compulsory taxation for other peoples healthcare

- 70+% tax rate for wealthy people and corporations.

- reparations for black people.

- elimination of the electoral college system

- open borders

- actually dismantling our border infrastructure.

- anti vorter ID laws

- lowering the voting age so that emotionally undeveloped and intelectually compromised high schoolers can vote.

- anti hamburger...

Also, "Trump is the worst amirite?" is part of the party platform. All they talk about during the debates is Trump rather than ideas or policies that will get anything tangible done.

They're all certifiably insane.

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Anyone who calls Trump supporters the silent majority should be ignored.

He isn't popular. There's zero data out there supporting this claim. In terms of straight up popularity he lost. He won off a few hundred thousand votes in swing states.

It's funny to see people regurgitate the talking points the party puts out to them, and there's no party guiltier of doing this than the GOP these days.

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1176878593860866049

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2019 at 11:39:45am

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.MASSHOLE.Anyone who calls Trump supporters the silent majority should be ignored.

He isn't popular. There's zero data out there supporting this claim. In terms of straight up popularity he lost. He won off a few hundred thousand votes in swing states.

It's funny to see people regurgitate the talking points the party puts out to them, and there's no party guiltier of doing this than the GOP these days.

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1176878593860866049

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2019 at 11:39:45am

Guess you'll have to wait until 2020 to have reality smack you in the face.

Or you could just pay attention today.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

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T.L.They're all certifiably insane.

I appreciate the response, is there a site you would recommend I look into to further investigate?
My impression of the current administration would be summarized by https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-damage-trump-has-done-documented/2018/01/19/7e905ec8-fd56-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html
I apologize for the continued links ns, but I hate to type a bunch

the Washington post is a recognized scholarly source

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T.L.Guess you'll have to wait until 2020 to have reality smack you in the face.

Or you could just pay attention today.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

Do you understand the difference between the electoral college and the popular vote?

Do I need to teach you basic American Civics?

Approval rating =/= Popularity. And, if you actually knew how to read, you'd see that was a single day. Not a rolling average, not a monthly average, a single fucking day.

So, to back up my point, there is zero evidence supporting your claim that the "Silent Majority" backs Donald Trump. If anything, all evidence points to the contrary.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2019 at 12:07:00pm

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icedI appreciate the response, is there a site you would recommend I look into to further investigate?
My impression of the current administration would be summarized by https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-damage-trump-has-done-documented/2018/01/19/7e905ec8-fd56-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html
I apologize for the continued links ns, but I hate to type a bunch

the Washington post is a recognized scholarly source

You just posted an opinion piece by none other than NBC's Joe 'dead intern in his office' Scarborough.

If you want a clear picture of what's really going on you need to look at everything on all sides and come the your own conclusions. That's why so many people act like ostriches with their heads in the sand when it comes to politics and international affairs because its a lot of information to disect and a lot of effort to find truth.

Do your own research and ask questions others might not be asking.

As for the topic of this thread and the transcript we were waiting for... Nothingburger confirmed. Trump asked Ukraine to cooperate with Bill Barr and not a single reference of quid pro quo. Nothing out of the ordinary and nothing illegal.

Next hoax please.

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T.L.Never going to happen. The Democrats keep making up fake scandals that turn out to be nothing and they do it against their own self interest. The only thing anyone on the left can unify on right now is that orange man bad, everyone must pay more taxes to change the weather, and anyone who disagrees with their new religious doctrine must be a Nazi and a bigot. The silent majority are tired of it.

Trump is on a roll right now and the Democrats have no choice but to ACT like they have a chance. They don't. The Democrat party as you all know it is finished. They do nothing but fight amongst themselves and have temper tantrums because they still can't come to terms with the fact that Trump won.

He will be reelected no problem.

Last month the RNC raised TRIPLE the amount of money the DNC did. The RNC currently has 6.5x more money in their war chest than the Democrats and theyre spending less than the DNC is. That's because people across the country are giving their cold hard cash to the party that doesn't want to tear this country to shreds.

Still doubt it? Trump raised $15 million in one day.. in California. Not a single dem candidate even comes close. Simmer on that one for a minute.

I look forward to reading the full transcript of trump's phonecall that he's due to declassify today. I think half you guys will be having nothingburgers for lunch this afternoon 🤣

This is very much true. The democrats know they are screwed and their animated corpse Biden is going to get stomped. This Ukraine thing is their last hail mary pass that will either have some teeth and get them leverage or blow up in their face. I read the transcript this morning and it does seem odd on his insistence of Biden's son' investigation and the withdrawal of Foreign aid but I dont think its enough to really get him. That and the democrats have cried wolf so many times these last 4 years it really loses any credibility they have in a serious investigation.

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icedI appreciate the response, is there a site you would recommend I look into to further investigate?
My impression of the current administration would be summarized by https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-damage-trump-has-done-documented/2018/01/19/7e905ec8-fd56-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html
I apologize for the continued links ns, but I hate to type a bunch

the Washington post is a recognized scholarly source

WAPost is definitely not an unbiased source on anything politics, especially on an OPED piece. Not that any media outlet is nowadays, maybe Routers.

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theabortionatorI give him a 0% chance of being removed from office and prolly a 70%chance or better of getting reelected.

Seeing as how he won the last election with only 60k combined votes from 3 swing states with the help of unprecedented Russian disinformation campaigns and Cambridge Analytica using weaponized ad targeting software, and with no political record to use against Trump, I say you're a fucking moron with no idea what you're talking about.

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For those calling this a nothing-burger.

1. It's a memo, it's not the official transcript. There is no official transcript given that there are no recordings of telephone calls between heads of states. That means this is put together by the trustworthy people within Trump's administration. You only need to read the CAUTION on the first page of the memo to understand this.

2. Trump had withheld the aid prior to this phone call. Therefore, the statement by Zelenskyy involving Javelins followed by Trump literally saying "I would like you to do us a favor though..." is akin to a smoking gun. There would be no need to bring up a favor before addressing that kind of request.

3. Trump had no legal right to withhold the aid without the consent of Congress given that it was part of the Congressional appropriations. So again, why withhold it? His reasons have changed.

4. There is zero reason for Rudy Giuliani, the POTUS' personal attorney, to be engaging with a foreign head of state regarding an investigation of a US citizen, let alone a political opponent. There's ZERO excuse for this. If Trump truly wanted a proper investigation (which he is legally allowed to do, no matter how stupid it would be), he would go through official governmental channels.

5.It's clear that Giuliani had already been in contact with Zelenskyy for unknown reasons. Again, why? He is not a US governmental official.

Here's everyone's favorite, Lindsay Graham.

https://twitter.com/michellechel/status/1176910000012193792

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.MASSHOLE.For those calling this a nothing-burger.

1. It's a memo, it's not the official transcript. There is no official transcript given that there are no recordings of telephone calls between heads of states. That means this is put together by the trustworthy people within Trump's administration. You only need to read the CAUTION on the first page of the memo to understand this.

2. Trump had withheld the aid prior to this phone call. Therefore, the statement by Zelenskyy involving Javelins followed by Trump literally saying "I would like you to do us a favor though..." is akin to a smoking gun. There would be no need to bring up a favor before addressing that kind of request.

3. Trump had no legal right to withhold the aid without the consent of Congress given that it was part of the Congressional appropriations. So again, why withhold it? His reasons have changed.

4. There is zero reason for Rudy Giuliani, the POTUS' personal attorney, to be engaging with a foreign head of state regarding an investigation of a US citizen, let alone a political opponent. There's ZERO excuse for this. If Trump truly wanted a proper investigation (which he is legally allowed to do, no matter how stupid it would be), he would go through official governmental channels.

5.It's clear that Giuliani had already been in contact with Zelenskyy for unknown reasons. Again, why? He is not a US governmental official.

Here's everyone's favorite, Lindsay Graham.

https://twitter.com/michellechel/status/1176910000012193792

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2019 at 1:33:58pm

Partisan politics aside, this is shady AF.

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T.L.Guess you'll have to wait until 2020 to have reality smack you in the face.

Or you could just pay attention today.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

His high of 44% is still lower than the average approval rating of every other president before him going back to Harry Truman.

His average is 39%. Before Trump the lowest average approval rating held by a president was Gerald Ford at 47%.

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T.L.Guess you'll have to wait until 2020 to have reality smack you in the face.

Or you could just pay attention today.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

And it’s also worth noting that Trumps highest approval rating just barely beats Obama’s lowest rating.

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SendyMcSendyfaceDitching the 2 party system won't change much, but its a start. Up in Canada, its kinda fucked because we have 1 right wingish party (2nd one is practically irrelevant, RIP Mad Max), and 3 left wingish parties. In this coming election, all the conservatives will vote for the CPC, and the leftish votes will be split between 3 parties. It would be better if there were 2 more conservative parties to balance it out, the CPC is gonna (unfortunately) win. While having more than 2 parties does mean things like happen, I believe that we should have the right to vote for exactly who we want, instead of voting for someone we don't really like, just to prevent someone worse from being elected. If your beliefs match up with a 3d party candidate, vote for them. #vermin2020

This is why we should switch to a ranked ballet. You get to rank the different options and then they count everyone's top choice. Then they get rid of the person with the least votes and anyone who voted for that party gets their second choice counted. That continues until someone gets over 50%

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Just in, the Pentagon released a memo refuting Trump's claims. I'm absolutely shocked.... lol naw jk,

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/764453663/pentagon-letter-undercuts-trump-assertion-on-delaying-aid-to-ukraine-over-corrup?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1XUZWq3HxgFEee-dMp-8l3Wh7lo1DqXCRYkYAXmNHxdR9nqbpMDPMeJV0&fbclid=IwAR0YGTuESk-NuALI02fDMKAaDUgA5axlKDv3XUqmAub6FwxKK9Chx175FVQ&fbclid=IwAR14CTr8Q-wNOgnG4Jedbi_QGjGEOrkdLCqThtGVh3jyS7fqRiFZ_2vvEJA&fbclid=IwAR2-aZrgBSqCGuFi1w2OEhLzovGpP8pfz-KuW4LvjkoaPkgJenOD8hBdwcw&fbclid=IwAR2i8Kc0mPFtkhoiQeRN-69lW77yMz0lvmvUAkahR_I7RrG_TjUhBFqQTPA

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StuuuuuuuuuuThis is why we should switch to a ranked ballet. You get to rank the different options and then they count everyone's top choice. Then they get rid of the person with the least votes and anyone who voted for that party gets their second choice counted. That continues until someone gets over 50%

That's what I'm talking about! Single elimination bracket with one winner left standing! With the new NS constitution ski ballet will determine the law of the land!

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StuuuuuuuuuuThis is why we should switch to a ranked ballet. You get to rank the different options and then they count everyone's top choice. Then they get rid of the person with the least votes and anyone who voted for that party gets their second choice counted. That continues until someone gets over 50%

I didn't even think about this. Fucking brilliant.

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StuuuuuuuuuuThis is why we should switch to a ranked ballet. You get to rank the different options and then they count everyone's top choice. Then they get rid of the person with the least votes and anyone who voted for that party gets their second choice counted. That continues until someone gets over 50%

Solid video explaining it if you're interested:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/939924/The-Alternative-Vote-Explained

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Seems like Pelosi hit the big red button because things weren't looking too hot for Joe, and the thought of Bernie was worse in her eyes than "business as usual". Remember the last time an impeachment failed at the senate? Could possibly hurt Trump if he resists every step of the way, which I could see him doing.

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Who the fuck cares?

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Can I impeach OP from having an NS acc

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50KalI hate Trump but this isn’t gonna help anyone.

I wish we had the freedom to choose from more than 2 overlord parties.

I agree man, the government as a whole hasn't done a thing for the last 3 years because of all this divide....however as a libertarian I guess this is great. I would just like them to get us out of Afghanistan and then do nothing. Let local governments fix their local problems.

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DIRTYBUBBLEHis high of 44% is still lower than the average approval rating of every other president before him going back to Harry Truman.

His average is 39%. Before Trump the lowest average approval rating held by a president was Gerald Ford at 47%.

What's your source. His average was 39% back in march. His current approval rating is 52% according to the rasmusssen reports.

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Dustin.I agree man, the government as a whole hasn't done a thing for the last 3 years because of all this divide....however as a libertarian I guess this is great. I would just like them to get us out of Afghanistan and then do nothing. Let local governments fix their local problems.

Dingdingdingdingding

^this guy right here

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Dustin.I agree man, the government as a whole hasn't done a thing for the last 3 years because of all this divide....however as a libertarian I guess this is great. I would just like them to get us out of Afghanistan and then do nothing. Let local governments fix their local problems.

I would really like to pull out of the Middle East all together. We’ve been over there way too long. But I get that just straight pull out would just fuck up all the effort we put into the area.

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PhreeKandiWhat's your source. His average was 39% back in march. His current approval rating is 52% according to the rasmusssen reports.

My numbers were a little off due to margin of error

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

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finderSeems like Pelosi hit the big red button because things weren't looking too hot for Joe, and the thought of Bernie was worse in her eyes than "business as usual". Remember the last time an impeachment failed at the senate? Could possibly hurt Trump if he resists every step of the way, which I could see him doing.

Remember when Trump gave Hillary shit for using a secret server?

Remember when Trump hid his phone calls with Ukraine in a top secret sever few knew existed along with a number of calls with other world leaders?

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skiermanRemember when Trump gave Hillary shit for using a secret server?

Remember when Trump hid his phone calls with Ukraine in a top secret sever few knew existed along with a number of calls with other world leaders?

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Barring any opinions on the content of the phone calls (which is worth some attention for sure), I don't think this server story is relevant. It's a media ploy to compare him to Hillary's extremely illegal and deliberate mishandling of classified information.

Hillary was "given shit" because she had someone install a server at her home and put classified information on it on purpose such that she could do work at home. That is not the same as this Trump example, as he's (and I say he but it's people who work there and click and manage the network) utilizing systems designed for this storage at the White House from what I can gather. It's like putting your milk in your beer fridge, maybe unusual to some but not illegal or honestly worth more than a shrug of the shoulders if you actually know how it works day to day. Hillary infuriated those of us who worked with classified information every day, because had I done that with the information I work with....I would no longer fly fighters, have a job, and if the information was of the highest classifications I think the Air Force would have put in tremendous effort to send me to prison for at least a year. That behavior is borderline treasonous because you KNOW that moving that information to a place where someone uncleared can access it is practically as good as posting it on Facebook and tagging your favorite Chinese government cyber employee. It was a blatant act and she obviously wasn't worried about ever feeling the repercussions, because time in prison isn't worth it to any sane person so that you can diddle on your email at home.

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50KalI would really like to pull out of the Middle East all together. We’ve been over there way too long. But I get that just straight pull out would just fuck up all the effort we put into the area.

One of the problems with leaving the Middle East entirely is that we ruined a natural balance of power by invading Iraq in 2003, forcing us to sustain that balance ourselves. Bush let the moral cause of dethroning a monster like Saddam get in the way of US grand strategy. My personal opinion is that he was caught up in the momentum of 9/11 and ridding the world of evil, verse focusing pragmatically on how fighting evil in the short term would affect the masses in the long term. Before 2003, Iran and Iraq maintained the gridlock in the Middle East and all the US had to do to thrive was mail someone a box of AK's occasionally.

Wow, we are really going down the rabbit hole in this thread, but I have today off and there isn't any snow to stare at yet so here we are.

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skiermanRemember when Trump gave Hillary shit for using a secret server?

Remember when Trump hid his phone calls with Ukraine in a top secret sever few knew existed along with a number of calls with other world leaders?

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Hillary illegally keeping classified info and SAPs on her personal server while every single email was forwarded to the chinese government is not even close to Trump keeping records of his conversations in a whitehouse SCIF.

The shit that was on Hillarys server was so incredibly top secret and classified, the House Intel Committee had to receive special clearances to actually conduct their investigation and they still never got all the info.

As always, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Dustin.Barring any opinions on the content of the phone calls (which is worth some attention for sure), I don't think this server story is relevant. It's a media ploy to compare him to Hillary's extremely illegal and deliberate mishandling of classified information.

Hillary was "given shit" because she had someone install a server at her home and put classified information on it on purpose such that she could do work at home. That is not the same as this Trump example, as he's (and I say he but it's people who work there and click and manage the network) utilizing systems designed for this storage at the White House from what I can gather. It's like putting your milk in your beer fridge, maybe unusual to some but not illegal or honestly worth more than a shrug of the shoulders if you actually know how it works day to day. Hillary infuriated those of us who worked with classified information every day, because had I done that with the information I work with....I would no longer fly fighters, have a job, and if the information was of the highest classifications I think the Air Force would have put in tremendous effort to send me to prison for at least a year. That behavior is borderline treasonous because you KNOW that moving that information to a place where someone uncleared can access it is practically as good as posting it on Facebook and tagging your favorite Chinese government cyber employee. It was a blatant act and she obviously wasn't worried about ever feeling the repercussions, because time in prison isn't worth it to any sane person so that you can diddle on your email at home.

It's not "illegal" for regular citizens but I believe it is for governmental employees/officials per Executive Order 13526

Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to: (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error; (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency; (3) restrain competition; or (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.

Is it comparable in terms of potential damage if that server was hacked? Well, yeah. If not worse.

It is the most tightly controlled of at least four different computer systems used by the National Security Council staff, they said, and contains the most precious of American secrets: U.S. covert actions in other countries and counterintelligence probes aimed at finding spies within.

That being said, it's not likely to be hacked given this kind of security.

The problem is, why the fuck would these things ever belong on that server? Unless he's actively having chats with other heads of state where he is divulging classified information there's zero reason for those documents to EVER end up on that server.

The current WH excuse of doing since 2017 due to other transcript leaks is piss-poor. These chats he's having are unlikely to have any top secret information divulged given that the majority of these are listened into by administration staff, WH officials, etc.

**This post was edited on Sep 27th 2019 at 6:28:30pm

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