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LostMK
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Hi, long time lurker ever since turning from boarding to skiing, first time posting as I am in dire need for help!

Looking for a one ski quiver for riding the alps. I come from a freestyle background as park is the only stuff that can be ridden in my country and thus I'm looking for a somewhat playful ski that is still able to go a bit faster and float in not too deep powder. Essentially a jack of all trades and master of none. I'm not looking to ride these in the park. I would prefer 100-110 waist and length above 180.

I am 177 cm (I think that's ~5'9"?) and 82 kgs (180lbs?).

I have narrowed my list down to these skis, the top three being the current favorites as these could be gotten on sale currently:
Faction Prodigy 3.0 - 183
Armada ARV 106 - 188, would the 188 be too long?
Nordica Enforcer 110 - 185
Nordica Enforcer 104 Free - 186
Faction CT 3.0 - 182
Blizzard Rustler 10 - 180
K2 Mindbender 108Ti

Other skis can be suggested but please note that many of the smaller US based brands are hard/expensive to get here in Europe.

Cheers!

**This thread was edited on Apr 26th 2019 at 12:28:53pm
Apr 26 2019 11:58AM
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Shl
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Atomic Bent Chetler 100? I’m gonna try them next season.
Or maybe Black Crows Atris, also seem worth checking.
Apr 26 2019 4:24PM
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LostMK
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ShlAtomic Bent Chetler 100? I’m gonna try them next season.
Or maybe Black Crows Atris, also seem worth checking.

Thanks for the reply! The Atris definitely a good suggestion and not sure why I forgot to mention it. Regarding the BC I am a bit worried regarding their light weight.
Apr 27 2019 5:22AM
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Godspeed
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While I've heard a lot of good things about the factions they have an awful reputation regarding the durability. Since you ride park that is one thing to consider.

I have not skied the ARV 106 but I have the 86 (first year version when I think they where a bit softer). If the 106 is anything like the 86, which I think they are, I believe they would be a great choice.
Apr 27 2019 6:50AM
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LostMK
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GodspeedWhile I've heard a lot of good things about the factions they have an awful reputation regarding the durability. Since you ride park that is one thing to consider.

I have not skied the ARV 106 but I have the 86 (first year version when I think they where a bit softer). If the 106 is anything like the 86, which I think they are, I believe they would be a great choice.

Thanks! I am not too concerned with the durability as I have other skis for park riding, I maybe wasn't clear enough in the first post!

Regarding the Arv, do you think the 188 would be too long for me as 5'9". I am afraid that the 180 would feel a bit short with the twintips and more centered mount.
Apr 27 2019 9:04AM
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Godspeed
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LostMKThanks! I am not too concerned with the durability as I have other skis for park riding, I maybe wasn't clear enough in the first post!

Regarding the Arv, do you think the 188 would be too long for me as 5'9". I am afraid that the 180 would feel a bit short with the twintips and more centered mount.


I don't really know, it all depends on what you are used to. I haven't skied them but since they measure pre press they are actually about 186 cm (according to blister). I bought my ARVs a couple of years ago so they are a not the length I would like them to be. They still ski great but I would benefit from a bit more length. Since you are the same length as me but weigh about 10kg more I do believe that 188 is very much possible. I haven't skied the 106 in 188 though so don't take my word for it!

When I bought my armadas I was not sure about sizing either. I emailed them and they responded quickly and they fit me very well (I've grown since I bought them that's why the sizing is a little bit of now). I would recommend you doing the same.

Hope this helps!

**This post was edited on Apr 27th 2019 at 4:41:16pm
Apr 27 2019 4:39PM
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animator
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Prodigy 3.0 or Black Crows Atris are both great skis, I own prodigy’s and I love them. I rented an Atris for one season and I love it too
Apr 27 2019 4:56PM
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LostMK
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animatorProdigy 3.0 or Black Crows Atris are both great skis, I own prodigy’s and I love them. I rented an Atris for one season and I love it too

Would you be able to highlight any differences between the two or areas where you preferred the other one over the other?
Apr 28 2019 12:10PM
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CalumSKI
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LostMKHi, long time lurker ever since turning from boarding to skiing, first time posting as I am in dire need for help!

Looking for a one ski quiver for riding the alps. I come from a freestyle background as park is the only stuff that can be ridden in my country and thus I'm looking for a somewhat playful ski that is still able to go a bit faster and float in not too deep powder. Essentially a jack of all trades and master of none. I'm not looking to ride these in the park. I would prefer 100-110 waist and length above 180.

I am 177 cm (I think that's ~5'9"?) and 82 kgs (180lbs?).

I have narrowed my list down to these skis, the top three being the current favorites as these could be gotten on sale currently:
Faction Prodigy 3.0 - 183
Armada ARV 106 - 188, would the 188 be too long?
Nordica Enforcer 110 - 185
Nordica Enforcer 104 Free - 186
Faction CT 3.0 - 182
Blizzard Rustler 10 - 180
K2 Mindbender 108Ti

Other skis can be suggested but please note that many of the smaller US based brands are hard/expensive to get here in Europe.

Cheers!

**This thread was edited on Apr 26th 2019 at 12:28:53pm


Check out the blizzard cochise
Heard it's great and I think its 108
Apr 28 2019 1:54PM
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animator
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LostMKWould you be able to highlight any differences between the two or areas where you preferred the other one over the other?


So my prodigy’s are mounted dead center because I’m more of a freestyle skier than freeride. The prodigy is more symmetrical feeling, so if you’re used to twin tips it will feel more familiar. The Atris has a mount point 8cm behind center, and the rocker profile is very directional compared to the prodigy. I like the prodigy more for its ability to be skied more as a freestyle ski, but it is stiff so it’s no butter stick. The Atris has insane edge hold for a ski 108 underfoot. It’s a great all mountain ski but lends itself less to skiing switch or taking that occasional run through the park. I messed with mount points on the Atris, and mounting forward doesn’t do you any favors, as it’s not designed to be a freestyle ski. Basically, prodigy is more freestyle, Atris is more freeride.
Apr 28 2019 4:49PM
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Greg_K
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The Mindbender 108Ti, Enforcer 110 and the Enforcer 104 Free will be the leaders of the group as far as tracked powder/crud performance, dampness and stability at speed. The Enforcer 104 Free is the best carver of your list and the best in crud too. Quicker edge to edge than the Enforcer 110 but lighter swing weight even though it’s a touch heavier. Similar mount to a ski like the Atris but you can bump it up a few cm like I did with mine for a more playful freeride/freestyle feel.

Had lots of skis over the last few years including 3 different skis in the 101-104 range this year alone and the Enforcer Free 104 is a game changer. Can carve like a much narrower groomer ski on harder snow yet is playful and fun in trees and bumps, can charge rough crud at very high speeds without issue and is fun in powder. Amazing ski and highly recommended.
Both SkiEssentials and BlisterGear have great reviews of it for more comparisons.
Apr 28 2019 5:55PM
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LostMK
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Thanks a lot guys for taking the time to help me!

@CalumSKI, interesting suggestion. I think I would prefer a bit more tail rocker.

@animator, makes sense and clears it up for me!

@Greg_K, damn, you are really making the E104 tempting. Only negative aspect is that the ski is rather new making it expensive option and the availability still seems rather limited at least in Europe. Have you skied the E110 a lot, I was thinking is the tail rocker difference noticeable? I could see myself leaning for the E110 due to a it more twintip like profile and better powder performance.

One ski I came across when window shopping was Punisher by Scott, both the older 110 and newer 105 models. Does anyone have personal experience with either?
Apr 28 2019 6:39PM
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Greg_K
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LostMKThanks a lot guys for taking the time to help me!

@CalumSKI, interesting suggestion. I think I would prefer a bit more tail rocker.

@animator, makes sense and clears it up for me!

@Greg_K, damn, you are really making the E104 tempting. Only negative aspect is that the ski is rather new making it expensive option and the availability still seems rather limited at least in Europe. Have you skied the E110 a lot, I was thinking is the tail rocker difference noticeable? I could see myself leaning for the E110 due to a it more twintip like profile and better powder performance.

One ski I came across when window shopping was Punisher by Scott, both the older 110 and newer 105 models. Does anyone have personal experience with either?


The Enforcer 104 Free is a twin tip like the 110 Free. The Enforcer 100 and narrower Enforcers have flatter tails but the 104 Free, 110 Free and 115 Free are all twins. New construction techniques in the tip/tail of the 104 so it actually feels lighter to swing around yet it’s damper through crud. I got mine on a slight discount because it’s a 2020 model but I’m sure there will be bigger deals on it just before the start of next ski season. The 110 is a great ski too if you can get any 2018/19 versions on great deals though. The 110 will have a bit more float while the 104 is better in tracked out snow and a little more versatile if things aren’t as deep.

Scott Punisher 105 is a lightweight, playful ski that you often see for deals as I don’t think they make it anymore. A little too light to be decent through crud though or if you charge.
Apr 28 2019 8:25PM
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