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FUCK "Royalty-Free" and "Copy Write-Free" MUSIC

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thewilladelph
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I remember a time when an edit really showcased personality. Not just the skiers involved, but the film makers themselves. Maybe I've spent too much of my life on this website, but I feel as if some of the filmers are taking a shortcut that ultimately weakens their work...Hats off to Shane McFalls for establishing Traveling Circus as one of the most entertaining, (and longest running) series on NS. A decade of fucked up skiing aside, Shane took the time to promote his own musical tastes and support a selection of self-releasing, independent groups, mostly off bandcamp.com. And as they teach you in school, when you write an essay, any outside work was credited. He made a point to credit every single artist, one by one, at the end of every single episode. Honestly, Shane and TC are directly responsible for a good chunk of my musical taste growing up. I'm afraid kids aren't getting that same experience I grew up with. Discovering new music, looking up a specific song... even if it was a goofy ass "Float On" remix in clown*school's "FUCK", it didn't matter. The videos had character. Now, personality is becoming more and more scarce in the films and edits posted. And I'm not saying everyone is this way, but when you see/hear it, it's plain as the day is long. All the monotonous and poorly crafted hip-hop beats have got to stop. Quit discounting your work and the hard work of the athletes by taking shortcuts just to get the edit online faster, it's lazy. Plain and simple.
Apr 16 2019 5:03PM 21 7
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SuspiciousFish
Posts: 1611 - Karma: 6,550
I think part of the issue is that the Youtube bots automatically pick up any licensed music and throw a copyright violation at you even if you credit the artist at the end.
Apr 16 2019 5:15PM 31 0
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DorianF
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While I agree with you that a lot of the new edits have copyright free music, I disagree with you on why its done.

The premise of your argument appears to be that editors are getting lazier and that is why they are using royalty free music in their work. I dont think this is true.

In modern society copyright is becoming an issue that is at the forefront for editors. Platforms such as youtube, vimeo, and instagram now tag and remove videos that have copyrighted works (such as songs), regardless of whether credit was given. There are only three ways to avoid this (A) get a license to use the work (B) create the work yourself; or (C) use copyright free music where a license is implied and granted to all users.

It isn't laziness, its compliance with copyright law.
Apr 16 2019 5:22PM 20 0
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Chubz.
Posts: 13581 - Karma: 20,997
I’m sure you understand that the people on ns cant afford to buy the rights of popular music so they can throw them in a 3 minute park edit...prettt whack of you to call it laziness when they’re just abiding by the laws so that their content is able to be viewed.

But I do agree that copyright free music sucks a whole bag of dicks. and it really takes away from the edit, sometimes making it unwatchable. Music is like 60% of what makes an edit good in my eyes.
Apr 16 2019 5:32PM 19 1
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chef_boyardee
Posts: 506 - Karma: 4,086
thewilladelphAll the monotonous and poorly crafted hip-hop beats have got to stop.
As long as i continue to make edits, i'm probably going to continue using rap songs for a significant number of my videos. I don't find it "monotonous" and i don't see why it has "got to stop." I wouldn't be staying true to my own musical tastes if I didn't use any rap music in any of my edits, and i think many others feel the same way.
Apr 16 2019 5:37PM 9 2
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ConesForBreakfast
Posts: 952 - Karma: 4,981
chef_boyardeeAs long as i continue to make edits, i'm probably going to continue using rap songs for a significant number of my videos. I don't find it "monotonous" and i don't see why it has "got to stop." I wouldn't be staying true to my own musical tastes if I didn't use any rap music in any of my edits, and i think many others feel the same way.

I think he's talking about the edits that just use the beat, not rap
Apr 16 2019 5:53PM 3 0
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Young_patty
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Threads for days- Shane and TC definetely had a bug impact on my music tastes as well and I've discovered a good amount of artists from those videos too- I even spent over a year after I heard TELE//VISIONS for the first time trying to find out who tf they were, and then one day there they were in a TC video 5.something I believe.
Apr 16 2019 7:01PM 1 0
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chef_boyardee
Posts: 506 - Karma: 4,086
skimoresw1tchI think he's talking about the edits that just use the beat, not rap
oh that makes more sense
Apr 16 2019 9:00PM 1 0
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eheath
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It's not laziness, I use music I have rights to because otherwise our parent company could get sued, which is not how a business operates. I spend more time searching for decent songs to use than I do putting together the cut, just sayin. Tons of people do the same because they are making money off their work and if it gets taken down, then you're not delivering your client a proper piece of content.

Youtube/vimeo/instagram/facebook will all flag popular songs and delete your video and after a certain number of incidents, they can terminate any account. You know how fucked a business would be without their social channels? It's the only way to access their audience and advertise.

Plenty of filmers use songs they don't have the rights to, I see it daily on NS, but yeah like I can't use cool songs anymore, sorry bruh.

**This post was edited on Apr 16th 2019 at 11:29:46pm
Apr 16 2019 11:27PM 11 1
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dune_pilot
Posts: 3303 - Karma: 4,402
I always support local artists and underground bandcamp artists too, fuck people who listen to mainstream music and don't dig to find the good stuff
Apr 16 2019 11:56PM 1 4
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Joerga
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eheathIt's not laziness, I use music I have rights to because otherwise our parent company could get sued, which is not how a business operates. I spend more time searching for decent songs to use than I do putting together the cut, just sayin. Tons of people do the same because they are making money off their work and if it gets taken down, then you're not delivering your client a proper piece of content.

Youtube/vimeo/instagram/facebook will all flag popular songs and delete your video and after a certain number of incidents, they can terminate any account. You know how fucked a business would be without their social channels? It's the only way to access their audience and advertise.

Plenty of filmers use songs they don't have the rights to, I see it daily on NS, but yeah like I can't use cool songs anymore, sorry bruh.

**This post was edited on Apr 16th 2019 at 11:29:46pm


This! Finding the right music for an edit where you don't have to be afraid to get sued takes A LOT of time and is often super frustrating. Using a song that I love and therefore listening to a lot would be super easy.

OP should grow up and get some knowledge about what can happen if you violate copyright of others. There are a lot of reasons why editors don't use "real" songs anymore but laziness is definitely NOT one of them!
Apr 17 2019 2:58AM 1 0
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GrandThings
Posts: 1688 - Karma: 10,780
Im honestly surprised Banged Up is still online. The soundtrack was so dope and I remember thinking like 5 minutes in "oh this is gunna get taken down for sure". I think Jiberish has some cash but not THAT much.
Apr 17 2019 9:51AM 0 0
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pinkcamo1000
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original soundtracks are always the best
Apr 17 2019 10:16AM 2 1
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john18061806
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My youtube account got deleted after posting too many edits with songs I didn't have the rights to. So my 400 meme video playlist got delete as well.
Apr 17 2019 11:18AM 0 0
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Poindexter.
Posts: 6647 - Karma: 10,736
Only one more week of skiing?? FUCK
Apr 17 2019 3:09PM 2 0
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thewilladelph
Posts: 63 - Karma: 147
@eheath your edits are trash, fuck it, whether or not you follow of copywrite lawor not , your shits is sooooooo lame now. fuck all of it.
Apr 18 2019 12:09AM 0 12
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eheath
Posts: 56003 - Karma: 68,971
thewilladelph@eheath your edits are trash, fuck it, whether or not you follow of copywrite lawor not , your shits is sooooooo lame now. fuck all of it.


haha okay brother, thanks for the input.
Apr 18 2019 12:57AM 7 0
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dune_pilot
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thewilladelph@eheath your edits are trash, fuck it, whether or not you follow of copywrite lawor not , your shits is sooooooo lame now. fuck all of it.


excuse me sir, you have crossed the line there. No one insults eheath. We're watching you.
Apr 18 2019 1:38AM 0 0
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Chubz.
Posts: 13581 - Karma: 20,997
thewilladelph@eheath your edits are trash, fuck it, whether or not you follow of copywrite lawor not , your shits is sooooooo lame now. fuck all of it.


While I enjoy poking fun at eheath, as this is the Internet after all, Evan is one of the best filmers in skiing. You are wrong. He’s done more for the sport and jumpstarted more kids careers with his edits than you will ever contribute to skiing.

I’m not a huge fan of the newer edits he puts out but it has nothing to do with the skiing, filming or editing, I think they’re some of the best content he’s ever put out. It’s just the music sucks, copyright free music is wack but there’s no getting around that nowadays, especially when your videos are monetized. (You get paid for your edits, right Evan?)
Nothing will compare to clownschool edits, but before you talk shit...try and follow Jonah Williams down 3kings with a glide cam and try not to blow every shot let alone get the unique angles eheath does while barely shaking the camera.
pipe down there sunny.
Apr 18 2019 4:42AM 2 0
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Lonely
Posts: 4233 - Karma: 18,598
thewilladelph@eheath your edits are trash, fuck it, whether or not you follow of copywrite lawor not , your shits is sooooooo lame now. fuck all of it.


But are you getting paid?
Apr 18 2019 8:10AM 1 1
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Schoess
Posts: 761 - Karma: 7,711
Yeah can confirm, I literally can't put up certain music without it getting taken down so....
Apr 18 2019 8:59AM 1 0
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bolake
Posts: 419 - Karma: 1,016
I have a youtube channel with 100 subs and I've had 6 one day edits taken down by youtube because of the music. really sucks because me and my friends really liked them but now we can't find good music
Apr 18 2019 9:30AM 0 0
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