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onenerdykidIf you stretch the shell without supporting the foot, then the foot simply falls into the new space that was created.
jodyrThat's exactly what we want to happen, the medial ankle to fall into alignment into the space we create with the stretching. A pronating foot is only stable when it is flat, not over-supported with a frankly unnecessary insole. I realize that's the boilerplate upsell of the retail boot world, but for a pronating foot, it is accommodation in the shell, along with avoiding excessive ramp angle in the boot and binding, that will allow the foot to be stable.
**This post was edited on Feb 15th 2019 at 3:46:41am
jodyrThat's exactly what we want to happen, the medial ankle to fall into alignment into the space we create with the stretching. A pronating foot is only stable when it is flat, not over-supported with a frankly unnecessary insole. I realize that's the boilerplate upsell of the retail boot world, but for a pronating foot, it is accommodation in the shell, along with avoiding excessive ramp angle in the boot and binding, that will allow the foot to be stable.
**This post was edited on Feb 15th 2019 at 3:46:41am
razors-chazYou seem new here, I'll be nice. I maybe wouldn't argue with onenerdykid about boots. I can 100% guarantee he, as global product manager for atomic's boot department, knows more about what he's talking about than you.
jodyrThat's exactly what we want to happen, the medial ankle to fall into alignment into the space we create with the stretching. A pronating foot is only stable when it is flat, not over-supported with a frankly unnecessary insole. I realize that's the boilerplate upsell of the retail boot world, but for a pronating foot, it is accommodation in the shell, along with avoiding excessive ramp angle in the boot and binding, that will allow the foot to be stable.
**This post was edited on Feb 15th 2019 at 3:46:41am
jodyrMy contentions here are based on the premise that the pronating foot is the most stable when it is flat on the ground, and that in order for the foot to work as part of the lever over the ski, forefoot stability is paramount, and that to rotate any part of the foot away from flat on the ground has the effect of destabilizing the forefoot and thus weakening its ability to transfer weight to the ski.
I realize nobody has to agree with any of this, but this is what we found at the Skier's Edge in Oakland, CA as well as through opening Biostance centers in California, Colorado, Utah and New Mexico at one time. Since I've reentered ski retail (at a shop that lacks the proper stretching tools!) I've seen an average of 4 customers a day who would benefit from boots stretched to accommodate their ankles, which is why I made those slides and posted them here.
jodyrSkier's Edge and Biostance
futureYour slides seem to refer to a valgus hind foot position not ‘pronated’ or ‘flat’ as it’s been called.
This can happen with or without pes planus and forefoot pronation.
As said before the most efficient position is getting the talus into neutral, which needs a good footbed. Which in some more unusual foot types can leave you with hind foot valgus, this is when the punching is relevant, but in reality requires a footbed for talor neutral first.
onenerdykidI think your starting premise is the problem. A foot is not the most stable when it is most pronated. It is most stable with the joints are aligned towards/at subtalar neutral AND the longitudinal, transverse, and lateral arches are properly supported. The foot and ankle are the strongest in this position, which is a medical fact.
jodyrSeems you are saying that there is a more stable position for a foot that pronates rather than just as if it were flat on the ground.
jodyrIf you supply a footbed yet fail to leave room for the medial ankle mass in the boot, the ankle gets hung up in the boot and rotated, destroying any correction the footbed provided. In order for a pronating foot to remain in the subtalar neutral position, it must be as if it were flat on the ground rather than rotated proximally by the boot.
apc.frHopping on the mess that is this thread. I should probably talk to a boot fitter, but are there any fixes for lateral foeefoot pain? Some days it feels like I'm skiing supinated on my right foot.
Also, I'm rocking full tilts with footbeds in the liners. Could a liner change be part of the answer?