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Mid fat freestyle ski?

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Lazylightning
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**Decided to go with Kartel 108s, thanks for the advice everyone**


I'm trying to find a ski that's between 100-110mm, twin tipped, and ideally stiff enough to charge. I have been looking at:
Prodigy 3's
Ct 3's
kartel 108s (heard they don't carve too well)
J skis the metal
moment meridean 107
line sfb
To be clear I won't be doing any park on this ski I just want something I can ski everyday and do some tricks on. What do you guys think of the skis I listed, which would be the best based off of what i'm looking for? Also is factions durability really that bad?
Edit: just realized this should definitely be in gear talk, mods feel free to move it there

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Feb 11 2019 7:14AM
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zenokaufmann1
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I would definitely recommend the Rossi Black Ops 98, perfekt for charging everywhere, slopes, offpiste and aswell good for parkskiing.
Feb 11 2019 8:34AM
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CalumSKI
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ARV 106s
Feb 11 2019 8:36AM
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Lazylightning
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CalumSKIARV 106s

How stiff are they?
Feb 11 2019 10:48AM
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LukeTheWaffle
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I'd probably say CT or Prodigy 3s depending on your style of riding, or look at the ARVs
Feb 11 2019 10:54AM
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__charliewager__
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PxolarisHow stiff are they?


I've got a pair and their decently soft reply nice for butters
Feb 11 2019 10:58AM
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Getshifty
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zenokaufmann1I would definitely recommend the Rossi Black Ops 98, perfekt for charging everywhere, slopes, offpiste and aswell good for parkskiing.


Just got a pair of these last week! I hucked a backy and a seven the first day w them. Also some big cliffs and deep snow. I’m lovin the ski probably the only ski I’ll ski on for the rest of the season. They also hold a great edge. Nothing but good things to say about them!

Edit: there stiff enough to charge super hard, but still poppy and playful
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Feb 11 2019 11:08AM
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lil.Boye
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lib tech UFO 100. never had a ski as versatile. i have skied them in knee deep pow, icy park and everything between. love them to death
Feb 11 2019 11:40AM
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Jmoneybakes
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Definitely your recommend the head Kore’s great charging ski. Or blizzard rustler a bit more playful but still stiff. I personally have the k2 pinnacle and it’s a perfect mix of playful and charging for me
Feb 11 2019 2:04PM
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B.Quincy
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If you go faction and are worried about durablity go prodigy, coming from a previous CT 3.0 owner for 4 days this season...
Feb 12 2019 12:47AM
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JulianSharpe
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Could wait for the new wildcats if you're not in a rush..
Feb 12 2019 4:06AM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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JulianSharpeCould wait for the new wildcats if you're not in a rush..


I can't wait for those bad boys to come out........
Feb 12 2019 4:22AM
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Greg_K
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New Enforcer Free 104 will out carve, be better in crud yet lighter than the Metal or Black Ops. Better on hard pack too with great edge grip as you don’t have to detune tip/tails like Moment/ON3P skis. Perfect flex and weight for jumps, moguls, crud yet swing weight very good with their new lighter tips. Faster race bases vs some of the others that were listed too.

First day on them yeaterday on harder snow/mixed conditions and was very impressed. Will have them in some fresh today/tomorrow along with my Bibby’s to compare. Mounted the Enforcer Free 104 up 2cm and it’s the perfect spot for playful all mountain but can still be stable.

Great review and video about them a few weeks ago.

http://www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2020-Nordica-Enforcer-104-Free-Ski-Review

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Feb 12 2019 6:36AM
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hot.pocket
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Xx_Ac1dTr1p_xXI can't wait for those bad boys to come out........


We'll have some for early purchase over the summer.
Feb 12 2019 1:40PM
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FruitBootPro
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hot.pocketWe'll have some for early purchase over the summer.

Deathwishes too?
Feb 12 2019 2:10PM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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hot.pocketWe'll have some for early purchase over the summer.


Yusss!
Feb 12 2019 2:35PM
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natethegreatt
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General question - are these all true twin tips? Sometimes when I'm looking at fatter skis I notice that a lot of them don't have much of a "rise" on the tail to make it a true twin tip. Thanks!
Feb 12 2019 2:45PM
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natethegreatt
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Greg_KNew Enforcer Free 104 will out carve, be better in crud yet lighter than the Metal or Black Ops. Better on hard pack too with great edge grip as you don’t have to detune tip/tails like Moment/ON3P skis. Perfect flex and weight for jumps, moguls, crud yet swing weight very good with their new lighter tips. Faster race bases vs some of the others that were listed too.

First day on them yeaterday on harder snow/mixed conditions and was very impressed. Will have them in some fresh today/tomorrow along with my Bibby’s to compare. Mounted the Enforcer Free 104 up 2cm and it’s the perfect spot for playful all mountain but can still be stable.

Great review and video about them a few weeks ago.

http://www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2020-Nordica-Enforcer-104-Free-Ski-Review

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Wait so you have to detune Moment/ON3P skis for them to hold an edge? I don't know too much, but that seems the opposite of what you should do?

Also, when you say you mounted them at 2cm up, do you mean 2cm more towards true center from the recommended mounting point?
Feb 12 2019 2:48PM
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Lazylightning
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natethegreattWait so you have to detune Moment/ON3P skis for them to hold an edge? I don't know too much, but that seems the opposite of what you should do?

Also, when you say you mounted them at 2cm up, do you mean 2cm more towards true center from the recommended mounting point?


He definitely means 2 infront of recommended, the recommended on most of those skis are set back slightly more (moments and nordicas)
Feb 12 2019 3:02PM
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Greg_K
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natethegreattWait so you have to detune Moment/ON3P skis for them to hold an edge? I don't know too much, but that seems the opposite of what you should do?

Also, when you say you mounted them at 2cm up, do you mean 2cm more towards true center from the recommended mounting point?


Yes, 2cm forward on their mounting point which is around 8.9 cm back from center so I’m 6.9cm back from center now.

Sharp edges under foot and in the contact area but find you have to detune the tips and tails of most Moment and ON3P skis above the contact point(camber section sharp still) or they get catchy. The Enforcer I can run sharp tip to tail without issue so they grip better on harder snow as you have more effective edge that’s sharp on them. In powder, it makes less difference so more on groomers etc.
Feb 12 2019 3:10PM
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hot.pocket
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TheVictatorDeathwishes too?


It all depends on the order that we build things, but the entire 19/20 lineup will be available at some point over the summer.
Feb 12 2019 3:28PM
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natethegreatt
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Greg_KYes, 2cm forward on their mounting point which is around 8.9 cm back from center so I’m 6.9cm back from center now.

Sharp edges under foot and in the contact area but find you have to detune the tips and tails of most Moment and ON3P skis above the contact point(camber section sharp still) or they get catchy. The Enforcer I can run sharp tip to tail without issue so they grip better on harder snow as you have more effective edge that’s sharp on them. In powder, it makes less difference so more on groomers etc.


Awesome, thanks for the info!
Feb 12 2019 3:43PM
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instisigram
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lil.Boyelib tech UFO 100. never had a ski as versatile. i have skied them in knee deep pow, icy park and everything between. love them to death


I can just agree with that.
Mar 25 2019 1:57PM
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