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Surface Outsiders?
So I fucked up and bought arv 106s last year as a daily driver type ski, only problem is I got them in a 180 and I'm 6 foot. I love the ski but they are way too short. Stumbled across Surface's website and they currently have the outsiders for like 400 bucks, in a 189. I ride my bibbys most days but at 190 they can be a lot of ski in tight areas. Looking for something playful but versatile enough to ride in tight areas. The rocker profile is crazy, I would imagine it makes them rather pivoty in trees and what not. Thanks in advance.
eskeetSo I fucked up and bought arv 106s last year as a daily driver type ski, only problem is I got them in a 180 and I'm 6 foot. I love the ski but they are way too short. Stumbled across Surface's website and they currently have the outsiders for like 400 bucks, in a 189. I ride my bibbys most days but at 190 they can be a lot of ski in tight areas. Looking for something playful but versatile enough to ride in tight areas. The rocker profile is crazy, I would imagine it makes them rather pivoty in trees and what not. Thanks in advance.
I've seen jack finn rip the fuck out of them in the park, never seen them actually used in pow
i use them in park and pow and they are awesome. Heavy skis, but awesome
they are weird though not even 100 cm makes contact with the snow- i have the 189s
jjdsteezethey are weird though not even 100 cm makes contact with the snow- i have the 189s
That's wild haha. Playful ski?
eskeetThat's wild haha. Playful ski?
i wouldn't necessarily say playful cause they are stiff. THey are fun though- side note: i have the one life's which are before they rebranded to the outsiders so idk if they made the ski that much different.
Buy this ski right now and you wont be mad, I found them for 150$ and i couldnt be happier with them.
Also, I take the outsiders out on heavy pow days instead of my Candide 3.0
Also, I take the outsiders out on heavy pow days instead of my Candide 3.0
one of my favorite skis, I am 5"10 and ride the 179s in the park at -2 from center. they aren't that good for all mountain because they ski so short. However the 189 option mounted at like -4 would destroy. They are surprisingly stable and light and completely bash through crud. Very surfy as well. They excel the most in slush and soft snow. I will admit they dont hold an edge super well when its pretty icy.
jjdsteezei wouldn't necessarily say playful cause they are stiff. THey are fun though- side note: i have the one life's which are before they rebranded to the outsiders so idk if they made the ski that much different.
They break in a lot, especially if you really get playful with the tip and the tails. It does take a while though. My onelifes are like butter, whereas my outsiders are still pretty stiff.
supersquidThey break in a lot, especially if you really get playful with the tip and the tails. It does take a while though. My onelifes are like butter, whereas my outsiders are still pretty stiff.
ive had 5 pairs of one lifes which i rode until falling apart and none of them seemed to "break in" though i am sure it possible. Still a fun ski in my mind even being stiff.
jjdsteezeive had 5 pairs of one lifes which i rode until falling apart and none of them seemed to "break in" though i am sure it possible. Still a fun ski in my mind even being stiff.
these are the one lifes the last year that they had them. Ive dont nothing but press and smear and ollie on the tips and tails. Hand flexing them they are significantly softer than the first years outsiders (literally a year between models). I probably have 60 park days on the one lifes and maybe 15 on the outsiders.
supersquidone of my favorite skis, I am 5"10 and ride the 179s in the park at -2 from center. they aren't that good for all mountain because they ski so short. However the 189 option mounted at like -4 would destroy. They are surprisingly stable and light and completely bash through crud. Very surfy as well. They excel the most in slush and soft snow. I will admit they dont hold an edge super well when its pretty icy.
That's what I was thinking, 4 back. Do they feel poppy? Able to jump off side hits/ natty features with relative ease?
eskeetThat's what I was thinking, 4 back. Do they feel poppy? Able to jump off side hits/ natty features with relative ease?
Very good for all of that, if you read up on wakeboard shapes 3 stage rocker makes a lot of sense and it seems to transfer over from water to snow relatively well. In real rough chunder it almost feels like you can bounce down the mountain. Like I said before, slushy spring day laps is where they excel, ive never had more fun on a ski. With a turning radius of around 27 meters they can hold an edge relatively well if your making 1-2 carves down the hill and their rocker lets you slash in and out of the turn whenever you want.
yo you should try the prodigy 3.0 in a 190cm. it's my favorite ski for every day rippin
I’ve had them in 179 and 189. 179 is ridiculously fun for park and all around stuff. But when it gets deep they can tend to feel catchy, like underfoot sinks in a bit and creates a lot of drag. The 189s are much better in that regard.
One of the most fun skis I’ve ridden though in both lengths, stiff so you can charge hard but pivot and slash super easy, don’t have to worry about the tips diving. Super fun in chopped stuff, pop off everything, in the right conditions it’s insane how poppy they are.
Only complaint is I think they should have just made it flat underfoot, mine at least have a bit of camber and I feel like that little bit of camber makes the rocker bend just a bit too abrupt and that camber carves kind of funky.
Wish more companies would make skis like this. The concept is awesome and it’d be cool to have a couple different approaches to it.
And mine were both mounted true center.
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One of the most fun skis I’ve ridden though in both lengths, stiff so you can charge hard but pivot and slash super easy, don’t have to worry about the tips diving. Super fun in chopped stuff, pop off everything, in the right conditions it’s insane how poppy they are.
Only complaint is I think they should have just made it flat underfoot, mine at least have a bit of camber and I feel like that little bit of camber makes the rocker bend just a bit too abrupt and that camber carves kind of funky.
Wish more companies would make skis like this. The concept is awesome and it’d be cool to have a couple different approaches to it.
And mine were both mounted true center.
**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2019 at 1:04:17pm
And mine were both mounted true center.
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i honestly don't know how you could ski them if they weren't mounted true center. all these people saying they have them mounted -2 or -4, you would have no tail at all
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i honestly don't know how you could ski them if they weren't mounted true center. all these people saying they have them mounted -2 or -4, you would have no tail at all
jjdsteezeAnd mine were both mounted true center.
**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2019 at 1:04:17pm
i honestly don't know how you could ski them if they weren't mounted true center. all these people saying they have them mounted -2 or -4, you would have no tail at all
I was thinking that, considering like you said, there's only like 100cm that's actually in contact with the ground.
XtRemE11I’ve had them in 179 and 189. 179 is ridiculously fun for park and all around stuff. But when it gets deep they can tend to feel catchy, like underfoot sinks in a bit and creates a lot of drag. The 189s are much better in that regard.
One of the most fun skis I’ve ridden though in both lengths, stiff so you can charge hard but pivot and slash super easy, don’t have to worry about the tips diving. Super fun in chopped stuff, pop off everything, in the right conditions it’s insane how poppy they are.
Only complaint is I think they should have just made it flat underfoot, mine at least have a bit of camber and I feel like that little bit of camber makes the rocker bend just a bit too abrupt and that camber carves kind of funky.
Wish more companies would make skis like this. The concept is awesome and it’d be cool to have a couple different approaches to it.
And mine were both mounted true center.
**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2019 at 1:04:17pm
That's good to hear. Kinda like the other guy said above they like to jump their way down the mountain in soft chop. Exactly what I'm looking for in a ski.
And there is a little camber underfoot? I couldn't tell by their website.
bought the outsiders last season, they are super fun in soft snow and they are not bad on hard pack if you are used to alot of rocker. but they are not durable. if chipped up top sheets bother you then these skis are not for you
Skis are sick. They were 150 bucks on Sierra trading Post like a week ago.
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I'm seriously considering getting these, where should I mount them? The center of the flat/cambered section isn't true center, right? I wanna put it as forward as possible without making them straight up bad for off-piste.
TheVictatorI'm seriously considering getting these, where should I mount them? The center of the flat/cambered section isn't true center, right? I wanna put it as forward as possible without making them straight up bad for off-piste.
Ended up making the purchase.. Will be mounting them hopefully this weekend/early next week. I believe the line is true center, might be slightly back. Haven't measured yet. It feels like even with a center mount, the rocker in the tip would make them manageable all over the mountain. I'll let you know what I think when I get on them!
The r/skiing discord was giving me a hard time when I asked about sizing these skis; they said that the skis would not work as a daily driver for me, were heavy, had a too extreme profile, would feel weird, etc...I naturally argued back because all I have seen about the ski is praise. But I'm sure there are some downsides to this ski--can anyone talk about what some of them may be based on what they've experienced or heard?
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