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ROD 5 vs FLAT 5 -- the difference

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kastruuud
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What's up guys, watched a bunch of youtube and seems like the flat 5 is initiated back and the rod 5 is initiated forwards. Both with the same type of off axis inversion, just sending the flat 5 back and the rod 5 front.
Can you guys clarify the difference? If there even is one, I've heard there's none, too.
Dec 11 2018 9:14PM
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Dunderflip
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the difference is pretty small, its most obvious on 7s if you ask me. flats are flat and rodeos are flips but theyre set pretty much the same, just gotta put some more sauce on a rodeo
Dec 11 2018 9:18PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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To me the difference is a flat is usually less inverted. In a rodeo your head dips lower than a flatspin. I've heard people say the opposite though.
Dec 11 2018 9:19PM
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cheerio
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JakeClaeysTo me the difference is a flat is usually less inverted. In a rodeo your head dips lower than a flatspin. I've heard people say the opposite though.


Yeah I know it as the opposite (but have also heard both ways)

Flat is a slightly off axis backflip (for example in a kangaroo flip - dub flat 9)
and rodeo is more sideways
Dec 11 2018 9:23PM
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kastruuud
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cheerioYeah I know it as the opposite (but have also heard both ways)

Flat is a slightly off axis backflip (for example in a kangaroo flip - dub flat 9)
and rodeo is more sideways


Yea but the flat 5 has gotta be the flatter off axis if anything
Dec 11 2018 9:32PM
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603pow
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Think about it mathematically, what is the arc of the skiers feet when upside down? In a classic Cartesian three dimensional coordinate system, where we are defining the positive z direction as towards the sky, I would argue that when performing a rodeo the tangential path of the skiers skis at its maximum amplitude in the z direction would be more in shifted towards the x direction (horizontal) then directly about the y (more vertical). Furthermore if you were to take the gradient of the flip you would notice that the partial differential in the x direction would be greater for a rodeo than a flatspin but the x and y partial differentials would be the same.

Basically, I think a flat 5 and a rodeo are the same thing. I think some think that one is more inverted than the other but it all just comes down to your style, and how much sauce you put on it.

Cheers boys, keep sending and boozing hard
Dec 11 2018 9:37PM
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c0ntentcreat0r
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According to most SLVSH refs they are the same thing, hell you could even do just a slightly wobbly spin and they'd pass it as a rodeo or flat or whatever. Who gives a fuck at the end of the day what the difference between the 2 is... if it looks sick it looks sick and if its a trick that feels good to do then all the power to ya. Just go skiin
Dec 11 2018 9:49PM
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kastruuud
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SteezMcGeeAccording to most SLVSH refs they are the same thing, hell you could even do just a slightly wobbly spin and they'd pass it as a rodeo or flat or whatever. Who gives a fuck at the end of the day what the difference between the 2 is... if it looks sick it looks sick and if its a trick that feels good to do then all the power to ya. Just go skiin


Bird up brotha
Dec 11 2018 9:52PM
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c0ntentcreat0r
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kastruuudBird up brotha


Ranch it up brotendo
Dec 11 2018 9:54PM
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kastruuud
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SteezMcGeeRanch it up brotendo


Spice it out brotato
Dec 11 2018 10:06PM
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Dunderflip
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criminalize ranch
Dec 11 2018 11:13PM
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suup
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its a flat 5 if done in the midwest where the terrain is more flat //thread
Dec 11 2018 11:29PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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603powThink about it mathematically, what is the arc of the skiers feet when upside down? In a classic Cartesian three dimensional coordinate system, where we are defining the positive z direction as towards the sky, I would argue that when performing a rodeo the tangential path of the skiers skis at its maximum amplitude in the z direction would be more in shifted towards the x direction (horizontal) then directly about the y (more vertical). Furthermore if you were to take the gradient of the flip you would notice that the partial differential in the x direction would be greater for a rodeo than a flatspin but the x and y partial differentials would be the same.

If you gotta use calc 3 to describe a trick I think you've taken it too far man
Dec 12 2018 12:01AM
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SHampson
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Flat 3 is an off axis backflip basically. Nobody calls it a rodeo 3 even though that’s what it is.

Rodeo 5 and above and flat 5 and above are the same rotation but rodeo is inverted and flat shouldn’t be.

Basically people get confused cuz people use the terms flat/rodeo (5 and above) synonymously and also for whatever reason someone coined the term flat 3 for the 360 version of the trick even though it’s inverted. A true flat 3 shouldn’t be inverted imo. Ethan swagburg laces these for example. In a beautiful world it would have been called rodeo 3.
Dec 12 2018 1:07AM
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jeppenator
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A rodeo 540 is basically a lincon flip (mix of sideflip + backflip) plus a 180 rotation while a flatspin is more of an off axis spin with the head never going below the waist in the invert. An easier way to look at it would be that a rodeo is a FLIP and a flatspin is a SPIN off axis.
Dec 12 2018 4:28AM
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603pow
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JakeClaeysIf you gotta use calc 3 to describe a trick I think you've taken it too far man


I'll use calc three to describe your mom. Actually just the volume of a sphere will do.
Dec 12 2018 9:46AM
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c0ntentcreat0r
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Dunderflipcriminalize ranch


Liked because good joke, but nah we gotta legalize that shit brotha
Dec 12 2018 11:09AM
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MFZOREN
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SteezMcGeeRanch it up brotendo

Ranch me, mulatto!
Dec 12 2018 11:53AM
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Cheetodawg
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All I know is Siver Voll can't do either
Dec 12 2018 11:56AM
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c0ntentcreat0r
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CheetodawgAll I know is Siver Voll can't do either


Fuck off skierman wannabe
Dec 12 2018 12:01PM
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Cheetodawg
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SteezMcGeeFuck off skierman wannabe


Bro what's your problem
Dec 12 2018 12:15PM
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_____alfredo____
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we should make it official that they are synonyms
Dec 12 2018 2:07PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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603powI'll use calc three to describe your mom. Actually just the volume of a sphere will do.

Gottem
Dec 12 2018 3:20PM
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meadows69
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFNOiQw3rz0

Does this aid in this conversation? I have no idea. I'm legit asking. do people respect ski addiction on here and their definitions of tricks?


Always thought flat 3 was an off-axis backflip until I saw this. and used to always think a rodeo wasn't a flip and that your feet were level with your hips. but now it seems i'm wrong. Is cork god even real?

also, how do you embed videos on threads?
Dec 12 2018 4:12PM
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jwilly
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CheetodawgAll I know is Siver Voll can't do either


choked on my tea
Dec 12 2018 9:12PM
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swagburg
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Rodeo is more flippy and flat is less flippy but essentially the same axis. Trying to differentiate them is sort of redundant because they're pretty much the same thing
Dec 13 2018 12:23AM
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