Pivot evidence

No. And Rossi & Look have never claimed that it was better for your knees.

Only knee binding makes claims about protecting your knees during a fall.

Nah they just look a bit cooler, I've never had a problem with standard alpine bindings so I haven't felt the need to get pivots

nah. I love my pivots because of how locked in i feel, but damn shit on them breaks all the fucking time it's whack.

fghtoffyrdmnsnah. I love my pivots because of how locked in i feel, but damn shit on them breaks all the fucking time it's whack.

Like what? I consider them one of the most durable bindings out there.

cultraraLike what? I consider them one of the most durable bindings out there.

the baseplates get fucked and bent, the brakes fuck up all the time and are a massive bitch to replace,like just little stuff but its super annoying.

The reason people say they are safer is because of the elasticity. You can run an 8 din when you would normally run a 9 and not be as likely to prerelease.

They are not safer for your knees in any other way, they do not allow lateral release at the heel

Rum_HamThe reason people say they are safer is because of the elasticity. You can run an 8 din when you would normally run a 9 and not be as likely to prerelease.

They are not safer for your knees in any other way, they do not allow lateral release at the heel

Yea I run a 9 on my markers, and a 7 on my Pivots. Also it feels really nice having your boot closer to the ground.

no, youre not gonna find anything quantitative that "proves" this

what i will say is that they have a long track record (theyve been around forever now) of being great, durable bindings-- my current pair is 15 years old-- and people will commonly share anecdotal evidence that the bindings perform very well and don't pre-release often, which means in many people's minds that they are a good safe pick because they don't motivate you to jack up your DIN levels to try to avoid pre-releases

SofaKingSickno, youre not gonna find anything quantitative that "proves" this

what i will say is that they have a long track record (theyve been around forever now) of being great, durable bindings-- my current pair is 15 years old-- and people will commonly share anecdotal evidence that the bindings perform very well and don't pre-release often, which means in many people's minds that they are a good safe pick because they don't motivate you to jack up your DIN levels to try to avoid pre-releases

They claim on their website longer elastic travel which helps to prevent pre-releases.

IsitWinterYet17They claim on their website longer elastic travel which helps to prevent pre-releases.

Well okay, but "our large amount of elastic travel means less pre releasing" is a fair claim, while "our elastic travel means safer for your knees" is not....is always how I've interpreted the whole thing. Do you disagree?

SofaKingSickWell okay, but "our large amount of elastic travel means less pre releasing" is a fair claim, while "our elastic travel means safer for your knees" is not....is always how I've interpreted the whole thing. Do you disagree?

Longer elastic travel allows for less prerelease which allows for a lower din which is safer for your knees

SofaKingSickWell okay, but "our large amount of elastic travel means less pre releasing" is a fair claim, while "our elastic travel means safer for your knees" is not....is always how I've interpreted the whole thing. Do you disagree?

No I agree with you on the knee issue. No evidence to support those anecdotal claims. The elastic travel and prerelease thing just saves you from getting fucked by hopefully decreasing the amount of prereleases.

But I guess if people ride dins lower because of it, there MAY be a knee saver effect in that sense.

**This post was edited on Oct 24th 2018 at 2:32:25pm

Rum_HamLonger elastic travel allows for less prerelease which allows for a lower din which is safer for your knees

In practice I agree with you and have almost exclusively ridden pivots for 15 years now. But I think on paper it's a bridge too far to claim objectively/quantitatively

IsitWinterYet17No I agree with you on the knee issue. No evidence to support those anecdotal claims. The elastic travel and prerelease thing just saves you from getting fucked by hopefully decreasing the amount of prereleases.

Right like I don't feel like I can argue that that is something they should be able to market or claim is objectively true. But like I said in real life I fully support the claim that pivots don't pre release much, and therefore fewer people overcrank their DIN and then fuck their knees

Between 2000 and 2010 ish there were plenty of bindings that people didn't trust to not pre-release and I couldn't believe the DINs some pros/ams were running to supposedly counter act that. Besides 916s and shit salomons had a bad rep, markers had a bad rep (both, in my anecdotal experience, for good reason), tyrolia's system before Attacks weren't as good, blah blah blah. So in my experience I've agreed that pivots, by virtue of pre releasing less and not encouraging dumb skiers to jack up their DINs, were ""safer"" but I'd never try to argue that in, say, court haha

If you watch a ton of slvsh games, you won't see any pivots do weird stuff. There have been plenty of games where markers do really nasty pre releases, and one or two games where other pre release.

Pivots are way to pricey. 60 bones just to replace a break. My friend heel piece completely snapped just from a landing so he had to replace the whole part. Another friend landed sideways off a small rail and the same thing happened.