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Magnus 102 for pow

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Slunky
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Ok so I wanna get some new pow/all mountain skis for next year. These will be replacing a pair of bent chetlers, so I’m kinda looking for a playful ski. I already have a pair of kartel 98s, so I wanna get another pair of ON3P’s. I was gonna get custom softer kartel 108s but they’re pricey with the exchange rate, so I was just wondering if anyone had any experience skiing pow on a 102ish underfoot ski , and if it works well.(I’ve heard that with modern flex and rocker profiles you don’t need as wide a ski) I need to decide where I’m going next year but probably red or Japan if that’s relevant

**This thread was edited on May 3rd 2018 at 9:23:49pm
May 3 2018 9:22PM
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Colingarnes
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Bruh we are literally in the same exact boat. Custom K108 softened up or a stock mag 102
May 3 2018 9:42PM
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Rum_Ham
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You already have k98s so another 100ish waisted freestyle oriented rocker camber rocker ski would overlap way too much imo. Even the k108 I think could be too much overlap. Maybe get 116s?
May 3 2018 10:18PM
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Slunky
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Rum_HamYou already have k98s so another 100ish waisted freestyle oriented rocker camber rocker ski would overlap way too much imo. Even the k108 I think could be too much overlap. Maybe get 116s?


See that’s what I was thinking, but having ridden kartels I’d like something softer
May 3 2018 10:28PM
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Slunky
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ColingarnesBruh we are literally in the same exact boat. Custom K108 softened up or a stock mag 102


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May 3 2018 10:29PM
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Rum_Ham
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Didn't see that you might be going to Japan, I'd definitley want some boats for there and for Red I'd want something stiffer to hold up in the bigger terrain there
May 3 2018 10:36PM
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Slunky
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Rum_HamDidn't see that you might be going to Japan, I'd definitley want some boats for there and for Red I'd want something stiffer to hold up in the bigger terrain there

Pretty much my exact train of thought rn
May 3 2018 10:37PM
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Cade2
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you do know that non of us has ridden the 102s right?
May 3 2018 10:57PM
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Colingarnes
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Cade2you do know that non of us has ridden the 102s right?

Several people on this forum have.
May 3 2018 11:56PM
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Cade2
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ColingarnesSeveral people on this forum have.


Oh shit ha, I forgot they released already my bad
May 4 2018 12:09AM
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Topsen
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Blister has a review up on the Magnus 102.

Kartel 98 and Magnus doesnt make any sense, it wont be much softer either...

For Japan I wouldnt think of anything than the K116, could make that custom softer if you want
May 4 2018 1:19AM
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Cade2
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Use your brain and get kartel 116s
May 4 2018 1:44AM
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tfsh
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TBH dont get custom. I got custom k98 softer, and like, ive used them maybe 4 times and im trying to sell them for a third of what i bought them for. Wayyyyyy to soft. Especially if your getting a powder skis, you want something decently stiff, they will still be playfull dont worry.
May 4 2018 4:30PM
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Slunky
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tfshTBH dont get custom. I got custom k98 softer, and like, ive used them maybe 4 times and im trying to sell them for a third of what i bought them for. Wayyyyyy to soft. Especially if your getting a powder skis, you want something decently stiff, they will still be playfull dont worry.


Yeag I guess skis ride differently in pow, might just end up with another pair of chetlers lol
May 5 2018 1:52PM
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jca
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I'd go fatter personally, especially for Japan. I've been riding stock Kartel 108s and BGs at Red for the past two seasons and the K108 is a great all round ski for Red.
May 5 2018 4:18PM
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iggyskier
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From the ON3P options, if you want to stick with us, I'd go....Stock or 19oz (but stock carbon) Kartel 108 for everyday at Red, Kartel 116 for powder.

Kartel 116 (stock) for Japan.

Magnus 102 isn't wide enough for Japan and even so, you would end up just skiing the Kartel 98 or Magnus 102 - as they are similar but different enough that in the end, you will just ski the one you prefer more.

Agree with the option to go wider and not too soft. Regarding going softer, it seems to be all the rage right now - we have people constantly asking about how soft we can make our skis - but literally no one on our team goes double soft (soft glass, soft carbon) on any of their skis. We have some guys skiing Kartel 108 w/ 19oz fiberglass, but everyone is skiing stock Magnus 90/102 and I think people miss that it is the rocker (and skill) that make them playful, not a soft flex. If you go too soft on the skis, the ski will lose its ability to hold you as you load it up, plus you lose all mountain performance.

So...hope that helps. If the Kartel 98 can hold you over in an everyday capacity, I'd go wider (116) most likely.
May 5 2018 5:03PM
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Colingarnes
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iggyskierFrom the ON3P options, if you want to stick with us, I'd go....Stock or 19oz (but stock carbon) Kartel 108 for everyday at Red, Kartel 116 for powder.

Kartel 116 (stock) for Japan.

Magnus 102 isn't wide enough for Japan and even so, you would end up just skiing the Kartel 98 or Magnus 102 - as they are similar but different enough that in the end, you will just ski the one you prefer more.

Agree with the option to go wider and not too soft. Regarding going softer, it seems to be all the rage right now - we have people constantly asking about how soft we can make our skis - but literally no one on our team goes double soft (soft glass, soft carbon) on any of their skis. We have some guys skiing Kartel 108 w/ 19oz fiberglass, but everyone is skiing stock Magnus 90/102 and I think people miss that it is the rocker (and skill) that make them playful, not a soft flex. If you go too soft on the skis, the ski will lose its ability to hold you as you load it up, plus you lose all mountain performance.

So...hope that helps. If the Kartel 98 can hold you over in an everyday capacity, I'd go wider (116) most likely.


What's the recommended mount point for the Mag102 if you are planning to use it out of park more?
May 5 2018 7:12PM
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iggyskier
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ColingarnesWhat's the recommended mount point for the Mag102 if you are planning to use it out of park more?


So recommend is -2cm from center across the whole size range (dead center on the Magnus 90, varies on the Kartel/Jessie by size but it is -4cm for a Kartel in 181cm).

Honestly...I would stick at recommended. The flex profile and sidecut is designed for that point. I feel that way about all the skis I design, though.

Edit: For mount clarification.

**This post was edited on May 5th 2018 at 7:17:06pm
May 5 2018 7:16PM
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Slunky
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iggyskierFrom the ON3P options, if you want to stick with us, I'd go....Stock or 19oz (but stock carbon) Kartel 108 for everyday at Red, Kartel 116 for powder.

Kartel 116 (stock) for Japan.

Magnus 102 isn't wide enough for Japan and even so, you would end up just skiing the Kartel 98 or Magnus 102 - as they are similar but different enough that in the end, you will just ski the one you prefer more.

Agree with the option to go wider and not too soft. Regarding going softer, it seems to be all the rage right now - we have people constantly asking about how soft we can make our skis - but literally no one on our team goes double soft (soft glass, soft carbon) on any of their skis. We have some guys skiing Kartel 108 w/ 19oz fiberglass, but everyone is skiing stock Magnus 90/102 and I think people miss that it is the rocker (and skill) that make them playful, not a soft flex. If you go too soft on the skis, the ski will lose its ability to hold you as you load it up, plus you lose all mountain performance.

So...hope that helps. If the Kartel 98 can hold you over in an everyday capacity, I'd go wider (116) most likely.


Yeah I think the 116 is what I’ll end up going with if the finances work out
May 5 2018 8:26PM
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iggyskier
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SlunkyYeah I think the 116 is what I’ll end up going with if the finances work out


That is what most of the factory would be taking to Japan (I'd be on the BG, but I'm old). Give us a call if you need any more help on skis.
May 5 2018 8:29PM
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milo-mcsenderson
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iggyskierFrom the ON3P options, if you want to stick with us, I'd go....Stock or 19oz (but stock carbon) Kartel 108 for everyday at Red, Kartel 116 for powder.

Kartel 116 (stock) for Japan.

Magnus 102 isn't wide enough for Japan and even so, you would end up just skiing the Kartel 98 or Magnus 102 - as they are similar but different enough that in the end, you will just ski the one you prefer more.

Agree with the option to go wider and not too soft. Regarding going softer, it seems to be all the rage right now - we have people constantly asking about how soft we can make our skis - but literally no one on our team goes double soft (soft glass, soft carbon) on any of their skis. We have some guys skiing Kartel 108 w/ 19oz fiberglass, but everyone is skiing stock Magnus 90/102 and I think people miss that it is the rocker (and skill) that make them playful, not a soft flex. If you go too soft on the skis, the ski will lose its ability to hold you as you load it up, plus you lose all mountain performance.

So...hope that helps. If the Kartel 98 can hold you over in an everyday capacity, I'd go wider (116) most likely.


Recently picked up K108s, the purple topsheet is rad, was going to get em softer but stayed stock, whilst I wish they were more bendy at times the stiffness is perfect for charging and they're so stable so don't really regret the decision at all. They still butter and bend.. it's just that doesn't have the skills to really play around on em.

But on the plus(ish) side I snapped my old park skis and picked up some ARV96s in the end of szn sale so now I have something soft... couldn't afford to reup on the ON3Ps or I would have coz they're epic
May 6 2018 6:51AM
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jca
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iggyskierKartel 108 for everyday at Red, Kartel 116 for powder.


When are you going to come ski Red with me Scott??
May 6 2018 12:29PM
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Slunky
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jcaWhen are you going to come ski Red with me Scott??


Kinda unrelated but by the sounds of things you’re at red, so do you know the best way to find a spot to live in rossland
May 6 2018 1:37PM
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