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cobra_commanderThey are kind of expensive
They are a pain in the ass to instal and use.
You Swiss cheese your skis and pretty much ruin the resale value.
Somewhere about 50% of the way into your first installation you’ll wish you had just bought another ski or binding. Generally I have found Cost of inserts + time spent fucking with your skis + value lost on resale > cost of second pair of skis or bindings. YMMV.
supersquidI work at a ski shop so installing them is very similar to installing helicoils. Thats not an issue. I am aware that the resale value if gonna be shit but I wouldnt plan on selling my skis so I am not worried about that. Can you elaborate on the difficulty of use? I can see it being annoying when your trying to change bindings after your tour ascent. But I wouldnt do that. I would change the binders in the shop the day before. Alpine binders for resort skiing and tech for tours. Only 1 binder a day.
JaybrtnI run Binding Freedom inserts on a handful of my skis for the CAST system. No extra holes because the system used the same holes, but i can swap the system around to multiple skis as much as i want. Pretty sweet in my opinion.
WahsegaI used Quiver Killers in 3 skis: 4FRNT's Click and Switchblade, and Liberty Variant 87. I'm using Tyrolia AAAtackk2 bindings. I like Quiver better then Binding Freedom as the slot in Freedom's for the screwdriver has the potential to let water in of not sealed with epoxy. However this weekend when I went to adjust the rear binding I couldn't. The cause was that Quivers use a pan head screw to install the bindings. This small added head height blocked the binding from moving. However Binding Freedom uses Posi Drive screws whose heads match what regular screws came with your bindings: flat head, small head, or low head screw. So check the clearances before installing if you want to adjust the binding length.
supersquidI assume you needed to change binding length because you had a different boot or friend with a different boot was using the ski? Or was this just when you needed to change bindings? What combination of binders are you using?
Also, what screw heads? do you need to use a different screw in the quivers than the screws that come with your bindings from the factory?
WahsegaWas adjusting length for my son to try the Liberty ski's. Need to replace with a flathead screw. SLIDEWRIGHT.COM has good info on the proper screw sizes. My presumption looking at Quivers screw is that they are off the shelf stainless. I had a company here that only sells screws for western WA confirm it by visual inspection. Though this was on their quick eval. Bindings screws heads are a match for ski binding screws just threads are 5mm S.S. They have a knurled area on bottom of head to better lock binding in place.
supersquidBump, I got another question. Do quiver killers affect the characteristics of the ski? Would the extra metal make the ski feel damp/dead or absorb vibrations better?
supersquidI work at a ski shop so installing them is very similar to installing helicoils. Thats not an issue. I am aware that the resale value if gonna be shit but I wouldnt plan on selling my skis so I am not worried about that. Can you elaborate on the difficulty of use? I can see it being annoying when your trying to change bindings after your tour ascent. But I wouldnt do that. I would change the binders in the shop the day before. Alpine binders for resort skiing and tech for tours. Only 1 binder a day.
GREEN_BASTARDAnyone know the special locktite for quiver killers? My screws occasionally come loose and the shop that mounted them was clueless
Profahoben_212You can just buy it through the binding freedom website. Stuff is mandatory if you are running inserts.