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severniy
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Hello guys.
I'm looking for boot that will work with marker king pin/fritschi tecton and may be salomon Shift in future. I plan to mount this bindings on blizzard g 108 or volkl bmt 109 or black crows corvus freebird or salomon qst106 or faction prime 3. My ski touring partners are quite experienced. they are on marker king pin/blizard g108, bd boundary 105/dynafit radical. I'm planing to ski in Europe Alps and Caucasus.

What boots and what size should I look for?

My foot measurements
Length
Right foot 256mm weighted/252mm unweighted
Left foot 254mm weighted/250mm unweighted
Width
Right foot 96mm weighted/91mm unweighted
Left foot 95mm weighted/92mm unweighted

Little pronation. One foot low arch, other mid arch. Low-to-medium instep. Skinny calves. My resort boot is dalbello krypton 2 in size 24.5. I don't use any footbeds.
Also I can't try before buy any boot model, because of the size - no one sells offline 24.5 and even 25.5 shells at least in my country. Buy online is the only option.

I was suggested to buy size 25/25.5, but I afraid that it would be big. I tried my FT in 25.5 and my heel hold was awful. I don't understand how I skied in them. I can't get medium buckle to be tight enough to hold my heel in place. But on other hand I skied 3 years in dalblello kr 2 in 25.5 and they were much better that FT, but on rough snow - I wished for better heel hold (although I started noticing this issue only last season). As I've read every around internet AT boots are roomier than alpine. And I afraid if I buy 25.5 size I will be swimming in them.
Feb 15 2018 7:15AM
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onenerdykid
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Remove the liner from your Kryptons and do a shell fit. How much space is behind your heel when your toes just barely touch the front?

If your foot measures a solid 25cm, then a size 24 boot is most likely going to be brutal on the ascent (lots of toe bang)... In a touring boot, you are better off getting the right length (18mm-20mm shell fit) and then working on reducing volume to hold your foot in place via foam pads or shims. When you expect your touring boots to hold your feet like race boots, your toes usually end up dying.
Feb 15 2018 7:51AM
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onenerdykid
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Also, without a footbed, you will naturally have more movement in your heel (as your forefoot collapses, your heel will follow). Getting a good footbed will only help in stabilizing your foot inside the boot.
Feb 15 2018 7:54AM
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severniy
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Krypton shell fit is around 15mm
Feb 15 2018 8:17AM
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severniy
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onenerdykidAlso, without a footbed, you will naturally have more movement in your heel (as your forefoot collapses, your heel will follow). Getting a good footbed will only help in stabilizing your foot inside the boot.

I would get a footbed if they were sold in my country. I don't know if I should go with online order.

p.s. Also I ordered custom footbeds from service where orthotics footbeds were produced. I repeated many times that they would be used in ski boots. But retarded technician did footbeds with metatarsal pads (though I never been diagnosed any foot issues by real doctors and don't have any problems with feet - except the small size). So I threw them in my boots. And couldn't ski with them more than 10 minutes. After that I never used them. Also I spoke to everyone who made their beds that way. and you know what? everyone had that metatarsal pads on their footbeds.
Feb 15 2018 8:37AM
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severniy
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One more notice. One of my ski touring partner advices me to go other route. Same skis, different boots - atomic backland/dynafit tlt and fritschi vipec/g3 ion/dynafit radical. Says that would be enough. What you can say about this boots. should I go my normal size - 25.5?
Feb 15 2018 9:18AM
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onenerdykid
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severniyI would get a footbed if they were sold in my country. I don't know if I should go with online order.

p.s. Also I ordered custom footbeds from service where orthotics footbeds were produced. I repeated many times that they would be used in ski boots. But retarded technician did footbeds with metatarsal pads (though I never been diagnosed any foot issues by real doctors and don't have any problems with feet - except the small size). So I threw them in my boots. And couldn't ski with them more than 10 minutes. After that I never used them. Also I spoke to everyone who made their beds that way. and you know what? everyone had that metatarsal pads on their footbeds.

Where do you live? Where would you go skiing? You can normally find a good fitter and footbed maker where you would go skiing...
severniyOne more notice. One of my ski touring partner advices me to go other route. Same skis, different boots - atomic backland/dynafit tlt and fritschi vipec/g3 ion/dynafit radical. Says that would be enough. What you can say about this boots. should I go my normal size - 25.5?

That boot is a little too light to power those skis in my opinion. Coming from a Krypton, the Backland or TLT 7 will feel like a flip flop and basically fit like one too. If you want either boot to ski or fit close to anything you know, you will be heavily modifying either with beefier liners, beefier power straps. Additionally, any boot in the 1kg category will require you to greatly modify your skiing style and expectations of fit.

If you'd prefer your touring boot to fit and feel more like an alpine boot, you will want to look at freeride touring boots around 1.5kg: Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD, Salomon MTN Lab, Tecnica Zero G, etc.
Feb 15 2018 9:45AM
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severniy
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onenerdykidWhere do you live? Where would you go skiing? You can normally find a good fitter and footbed maker where you would go skiing...

I live in Ukraine. Bootfitters don't have any valuable experience in making custom footbeds. Also nobody sells any pre molded footbeds here. The only option is to buy it in Europe. But I won't be visiting Europe in near future.


onenerdykidThat boot is a little too light to power those skis in my opinion. Coming from a Krypton, the Backland or TLT 7 will feel like a flip flop and basically fit like one too. If you want either boot to ski or fit close to anything you know, you will be heavily modifying either with beefier liners, beefier power straps. Additionally, any boot in the 1kg category will require you to greatly modify your skiing style and expectations of fit.

I was talking about tlt6, not 7. And yeah I'm also thinking about swapping liner for intuition pro tour.

onenerdykidIf you'd prefer your touring boot to fit and feel more like an alpine boot, you will want to look at freeride touring boots around 1.5kg: Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD, Salomon MTN Lab, Tecnica Zero G, etc.

So what is the best option from these freetouring boots?

**This post was edited on Feb 16th 2018 at 1:51:14am
Feb 15 2018 11:28AM
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