I went up to keystone today with a friend who was using a borrowed season pass from my dad. Unknown to my friend and I, Vail Resorts has a
"non-transferable" policy, you should know this from the size 2 font indicating this on your pass. The liftie did not like that my 16 y/o friend was not 45 so he said he was going to revoke the pass. I tried to plead with the liftie, we had no idea that it was an issue, I told him my dad "didn't" know I had taken his pass for the day. He didn't care, so he proceeded to make us fill out paperwork, tell me I'm lucky police don't get involved for identity theft, and then had the audacity to tell me I could pay ONLY $2,500 to get the pass renewed. It is halfway through the season and this is the price of a full package season pass smh. After skiing I find out that these lifties get paid a reward for catching these criminals. Im a teenager who made an honest mistake and is happy to pay for a day pass if a have to. Thinking back to this experience I feel manipulated and exploited out of thousands of dollars.
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How is this leagal
Yeah that sucks you got busted but if you actually thought season passes are transferrable and claiming this as "an honest mistake" than you're an idiot.
I herd you're not supposed to do it, I though it might get corner clipped or something similar, but I didn't think it would get revoked. L's
This is honestly so dumb that I'm hoping it's a troll. If it is, it's even a shitty troll. It's literally a form of ID, if you get pulled over and give a cop a fake ID you're gunna have a bad time. Basically the same scenario.
The contract you effectively signed when you bought it said it loud and clear.
Taken from the Perisher Epic Pass Terms and Conditions (which would be the same being vail owned):
11a - "Your Season Pass is for your personal use only as the Season Pass Holder and is nontransferable
to any other person. All Perisher Cards remain our property and must not be
resold, transferred or altered in any way ... You acknowledge and accept that you are liable for any use of your
Season Pass that occurs while your Season Pass is not in your possession, unless you have
already reported your Season Pass lost/stolen. Use of your Season Pass by another party
will result in the cancellation of your Season Pass. Season Pass fraud is a criminal offence
and may invoke police action;"
Cop it buddy, you fucked up.
Taken from the Perisher Epic Pass Terms and Conditions (which would be the same being vail owned):
11a - "Your Season Pass is for your personal use only as the Season Pass Holder and is nontransferable
to any other person. All Perisher Cards remain our property and must not be
resold, transferred or altered in any way ... You acknowledge and accept that you are liable for any use of your
Season Pass that occurs while your Season Pass is not in your possession, unless you have
already reported your Season Pass lost/stolen. Use of your Season Pass by another party
will result in the cancellation of your Season Pass. Season Pass fraud is a criminal offence
and may invoke police action;"
Cop it buddy, you fucked up.
Yeah it sucks but they’re legally fully correct. Kid I know at Pats Peak did the “forgot your season pass, printed a free day pass” and then gave the day pass to his friend. Somehow they got caught and the kid ended up getting his season pass pulled, payed a $55 day ticket fine, and then ended up with fraud and identity theft on his record. Then Pats fucking banned him from the mountain. They got pretty butthurt over one little ticket.
"Manipulated and exploited" yer an idiot...
You are so full of shit, i'm actually amazed.
Heard this story a few times. They really seem to be cutting down on this. I remember people borrowing friends season passes and getting harassed by lifties. I really don't see how in any world you would think it's okay to just "share" a seasons pass
Just tell me this op, what ski resort offers a actual transferable ski pass?
Because I would love to know.
But yeah you and your friend owe his dad $2500.
Because I would love to know.
But yeah you and your friend owe his dad $2500.
poaching 101
things you could of said o my dad was borrowing my snow pants and left it in.
O crap i left my pass in my other jacket
and you can make new accounts so they would charge you or not let you get a pass next year.
things you could of said o my dad was borrowing my snow pants and left it in.
O crap i left my pass in my other jacket
and you can make new accounts so they would charge you or not let you get a pass next year.
Also, along the lines of poaching, I picked up a few adult tickets and a few free kids passes in K-horse, not enough for the entire vacay, but enough for a few days. I accidentally grabbed one of the kids passes and rode with it all day. realized once I was done for the day that I rode for free.
Leagal
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**This post was edited on Feb 5th 2018 at 11:37:52am
Yeah dude, that darn Vail and there "non-trasnferable" policy, every other resort in the world lets you share it with your friends....
Bullshit you didn't know you couldn't use your dads pass dude, thats the weakest excuse I've ever heard.
Bullshit you didn't know you couldn't use your dads pass dude, thats the weakest excuse I've ever heard.
I think you should just be turned away if they catch you using another persons pass. The resorts get all jidf on ppl who swap passes. If you resort ppl want more money, then vote republican.
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NSdiedWOdlnI think you should just be turned away if they catch you using another persons pass. The resorts get all jidf on ppl who swap passes. If you resort ppl want more money, then vote republican.
**This post was edited on Feb 5th 2018 at 11:54:12am
If lifties don't have any motivation to bust people (ie a bonus for finding people without a pass or using someone elses passes) then the employees just wouldn't do anything about it, they'd stop scanning passes, etc. This is how it works at every major ski resort, smaller mountains probably dgaf. I worked as a liftie at Moonlight (now Big Sky owned/operated) and we even had a $50 bonus or something if we caught people with someone else's pass, that was in 2006 and it definitely existed before then as well.
Easy solution is don't go skiing if you don't have a pass, I know as a young person that seems outrageous, but when you get older and look back on this OP you're going to realize "Wow I was a dumb fucking kid".
Yeah idk sucks but seems like common sense, at whistler, the validators(not lifties but they’re dressed like us) get 100$ rewards for busting stuff like this
50KalJust tell me this op, what ski resort offers a actual transferable ski pass?
Because I would love to know.
But yeah you and your friend owe his dad $2500.
some def exist but theyre some sort of special like corporate thing where it's a special pass that can be used by various employees of a company or something along those lines. needless to say it's a different price and not to be confused with typical season passes haha
SofaKingSicksome def exist but theyre some sort of special like corporate thing where it's a special pass that can be used by various employees of a company or something along those lines. needless to say it's a different price and not to be confused with typical season passes haha
Gold Pass, I'm pretty sure it's literally a golden medallion.
“I committed fraud and the mean lifty took my pass”
CorporateSkiBumGold Pass, I'm pretty sure it's literally a golden medallion.
Many resorts offer "Corporate passes" as well that are transferable, but theyre always going to be 5-6 times more expensive than a regular season pass.
Yeah it's legal. Yeah you shouldn't have done that.
But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.
But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.
It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.
But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.
But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.
It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.
LonelyYeah it's legal. Yeah you shouldn't have done that.
But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.
But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.
It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.
Vail doesn't care man, some kid can trash them all they want, it will literally change nothing. Resorts are going to stand their ground on this, its the rules of the resort and they want everyone to pay to ski. Shocking, I know, but in reality someone who decides to use someone elses pass and gets caught has zero ground to stand on, they can bitch and moan all they want but in the end they were wrong, they knew the consequences and they still chose to steal the service instead of buying it.
Saying that they should be light on them is like saying that if someone walks into a shop and steals something worth $80-120 should be absolved of their wrong doings and let off with a warning. How is that an appropriate way to address someone stealing from a business? its not. Just because the general majority hates a business doesn't mean its okay to steal from them, there is no way I'm going to let you justify the actions of poaching a resort.
eheathVail doesn't care man, some kid can trash them all they want, it will literally change nothing. Resorts are going to stand their ground on this, its the rules of the resort and they want everyone to pay to ski. Shocking, I know, but in reality someone who decides to use someone elses pass and gets caught has zero ground to stand on, they can bitch and moan all they want but in the end they were wrong, they knew the consequences and they still chose to steal the service instead of buying it.
Saying that they should be light on them is like saying that if someone walks into a shop and steals something worth $80-120 should be absolved of their wrong doings and let off with a warning. How is that an appropriate way to address someone stealing from a business? its not. Just because the general majority hates a business doesn't mean its okay to steal from them, there is no way I'm going to let you justify the actions of poaching a resort.
This along with most of what Eheath, and others, have said in this thread.
The only passes I know of which are transferable limited numbers of days. If a pass gives you 50 days at a resort it is less of a big deal for it to be transferable. By using someone else's pass you are stealing, plain and simple. I really don't know how the OP can possibly think doing this is not a big deal. Resorts make a very big deal about this, because if they didn't they would lose lots of money to this type of fraud. I'm truly amazed that the OP thinks the resort would not take this seriously. Your dad is lucky they will even sell him another pass.
If the OP thinks this is not a big deal, then perhaps this will be a good life lesson. NEVER give a fake ID to a cop, you can show one to a bouncer at the door of a bar, but showing a cop a fake ID could get you in lots of trouble. Businesses take this stuff very seriously, and what you did was basically steal from Vail resorts. I will also echo the sentiment that years from now you will realize how stupid it was to do this.
Normal season passes are NEVER transferable. Like I said, there are exceptions but they cost lots of money. We live in a day and age where season passes are relatively cheap for the most part, especially given how pricey day tickets are. I don't see how anyone could possibly think that a season pass was transferable. If they were the resorts would be out a ton of money, as people would just share them.
First, no way this is real. But I'll play.
"Unknown to you and your friend"
Yeah sure. You don't need to see that it's no transferable, I don't think any mountain has a policy where using somebody elses pass isn't considered stealing.
As far as lifties, of course places do that. That incentive keeps people checking tickets to make sure people skiing buy tickets. If you could share a season pass with anyone the mountain would sell barely any passes because everyone would just trade.
"Unknown to you and your friend"
Yeah sure. You don't need to see that it's no transferable, I don't think any mountain has a policy where using somebody elses pass isn't considered stealing.
As far as lifties, of course places do that. That incentive keeps people checking tickets to make sure people skiing buy tickets. If you could share a season pass with anyone the mountain would sell barely any passes because everyone would just trade.
peterspringer10Yeah it sucks but they’re legally fully correct. Kid I know at Pats Peak did the “forgot your season pass, printed a free day pass” and then gave the day pass to his friend. Somehow they got caught and the kid ended up getting his season pass pulled, payed a $55 day ticket fine, and then ended up with fraud and identity theft on his record. Then Pats fucking banned him from the mountain. They got pretty butthurt over one little ticket.
Because they probably scan your pass. IF they don't scan then I could understand being surprised. Still probably not that many forgot passes each day, could give a list to the lifties to be on the lookout for.
If they scan, are you serious? When you print a forgotten pass ticket, it flags or shuts down your pass. If you try and use it, the system most def has that info of you saying you forgot it and getting a forgotten pass.
Not exactly rocket science to get you busted. Honestly one of the more derpy things you could do on a scannable pass.
LonelyYeah it's legal. Yeah you shouldn't have done that.
But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.
But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.
It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.
Oh god no! I would hate to upset a person for stealing. Stores should never call the police if a kid steals anything because he might get pissed off and say fuck(insert store name) That would be terrible!
Cops shouldn't arrest anyone because they might get mad and say fuck the police!
The policy is the policy and sometimes it's at the discretion of the place/people working. If you're not an asshole that goes a lot better, but it's no guarantee as you're still doing something wrong. Being nice doesn't simply make it ok.
They could make the penalty $20 and a stern talking to, maybe even yelling and shaking fist, but then everybody would do it and just pay the fine if they got caught.
An epic pass is not $500 even at the cheapest point. So even though $500 is a lot, that's not even charging them the price of that.
A lot of places run a policy of pulling the pass, and forcing the other person to buy the most full priced lift ticket. IF other person wants a pass they have to buy another at the current rate. This sounds like a similar policy.
As far as taking it too seriously, if you don't do anything about theft, people will steal. The honor system doesn't go that far.
Vail already has plenty of people bitching about them, and they're still raking in the $$$
eheathSaying that they should be light on them is like saying that if someone walks into a shop and steals something worth $80-120 should be absolved of their wrong doings and let off with a warning. How is that an appropriate way to address someone stealing from a business? its not. Just because the general majority hates a business doesn't mean its okay to steal from them, there is no way I'm going to let you justify the actions of poaching a resort.
Man why do you do this. I never said that they should be light on them. You just love to ride your high horse and twist words. I'm saying that it should be treated like any other petty crime. If a kid gets a speeding ticket they don't immediately pull the license, fine them, and bar them from driving for life. That'd be fucking stupid. If a 16 year old steals a jacket from a store they usually get arrested. This scares the shit out of them and they usually just end up with a fine and some community service that wipes the charge off their record.
How the fuck is charging them 4 times the cost of the lift ticket and giving them a strike going easy? If they do it again charge them with fraud, ban them or whatever. I don't care. There's no need for a multimillion dollar ski resort corporation to go after a 17 year old for trying to get a free day of skiing. I know you've wouldn't understand cuz you've never done anything wrong in your life, but kids do stupid things. I think that within context they should be given some leniency.
LonelyMan why do you do this. I never said that they should be light on them. You just love to ride your high horse and twist words. I'm saying that it should be treated like any other petty crime. If a kid gets a speeding ticket they don't immediately pull the license, fine them, and bar them from driving for life. That'd be fucking stupid. If a 16 year old steals a jacket from a store they usually get arrested. This scares the shit out of them and they usually just end up with a fine and some community service that wipes the charge off their record.
How the fuck is charging them 4 times the cost of the lift ticket and giving them a strike going easy? If they do it again charge them with fraud, ban them or whatever. I don't care. There's no need for a multimillion dollar ski resort corporation to go after a 17 year old for trying to get a free day of skiing. I know you've wouldn't understand cuz you've never done anything wrong in your life, but kids do stupid things. I think that within context they should be given some leniency.
I don't make the rules, neither do you. OP is probably not true, I don't think Vail charges you $2500 to renew your pass... we really should be taking OP with a grain of salt because its likely a troll.
That being said, a speeding ticket was a poor reference, stealing a jacket yes is more comparable, but still not $800. Each state is different, but punishment for theft depends on the value of the item stolen or in this case fraudulent use. Same thing goes for resort, each resort has rules and regulations with set punishments.
I'm going to completely ignore your personal attack, I never personally attacked you so kindly fuck off with that shit. Ive been around the ski industry long enough to know that using someone elses pass is wrong and you will get fucked over if you get caught (and dont get away from the employees) and you're very naive for thinking that resorts should just give someone a slap on the wrist for theft of services.
eheathI don't make the rules, neither do you. OP is probably not true, I don't think Vail charges you $2500 to renew your pass... we really should be taking OP with a grain of salt because its likely a troll.
That being said, a speeding ticket was a poor reference, stealing a jacket yes is more comparable, but still not $800. Each state is different, but punishment for theft depends on the value of the item stolen or in this case fraudulent use. Same thing goes for resort, each resort has rules and regulations with set punishments.
I'm going to completely ignore your personal attack, I never personally attacked you so kindly fuck off with that shit. Ive been around the ski industry long enough to know that using someone elses pass is wrong and you will get fucked over if you get caught (and dont get away from the employees) and you're very naive for thinking that resorts should just give someone a slap on the wrist for theft of services.
Lol sorry if I hurt your feelings. You've patronized or attacked everyone on this site at one point or another. I wouldn't call $500 dollars and a strike a slap on the wrist. That's more than most tickets.
And again, I've said three times now that using someone else's pass is wrong. If they do it twice, charge them with anything you want. I get that the rules are rules. Doesn't mean they can't be questioned.
theabortionatorBecause they probably scan your pass. IF they don't scan then I could understand being surprised. Still probably not that many forgot passes each day, could give a list to the lifties to be on the lookout for.
If they scan, are you serious? When you print a forgotten pass ticket, it flags or shuts down your pass. If you try and use it, the system most def has that info of you saying you forgot it and getting a forgotten pass.
Not exactly rocket science to get you busted. Honestly one of the more derpy things you could do on a scannable pass.
Yeah it’s a small mountain where they don’t scan or have barcodes at all on the day tickets and it wasn’t me that did it just a kid I know there. Pretty sure the ticket lady watched him hand the printed ticket to his friend right outside the office lol it was not the most intelligent thing in the world. Like I said it wasn’t me I wouldn’t risk trying, it’s not worth the $50 ticket anyways but he did and paid the price big time.
peterspringer10Yeah it’s a small mountain where they don’t scan or have barcodes at all on the day tickets and it wasn’t me that did it just a kid I know there. Pretty sure the ticket lady watched him hand the printed ticket to his friend right outside the office lol it was not the most intelligent thing in the world. Like I said it wasn’t me I wouldn’t risk trying, it’s not worth the $50 ticket anyways but he did and paid the price big time.
Word yeah for sure. Way easier to get away with at a smaller mtn but still possible to get caught. Would need to be a little more sly the him. That said small mtns are rad, and many are barely staying in the black. I'm down to support the small places and buy a lift ticket.
theabortionatorOh god no! I would hate to upset a person for stealing. Stores should never call the police if a kid steals anything because he might get pissed off and say fuck(insert store name) That would be terrible!
Cops shouldn't arrest anyone because they might get mad and say fuck the police!
Bit of an oversimplification. You're charging them $500 because they're stealing the day pass. You mark them and if they do it again, get the cops and courts involved. Kids do dumb things. I have never once said what he did was right, or that he shouldn't be punished. Only that the punishment needed be so sharp.
I guess since the federal government says weed is illegal its a rule. You can't question it, or how people get their lives ruined over a few g's. It's just the rules. You're breaking the law by possesing or smoking. If you get caught with grass you should be punished to the fullest extent. Even if youre just a kid trying it for the first time. Youre a godamn criminal and should be thrown in jail.
LonelyBit of an oversimplification. You're charging them $500 because they're stealing the day pass. You mark them and if they do it again, get the cops and courts involved. Kids do dumb things. I have never once said what he did was right, or that he shouldn't be punished. Only that the punishment needed be so sharp.
I guess since the federal government says weed is illegal its a rule. You can't question it, or how people get their lives ruined over a few g's. It's just the rules. You're breaking the law by possesing or smoking. If you get caught with grass you should be punished to the fullest extent. Even if youre just a kid trying it for the first time. Youre a godamn criminal and should be thrown in jail.
I'm not saying we can't question punishments, that is fine. But I don't know why you are even bringing weed up. Weed should be legal, using someone else's pass should not.
I don't know if 2,500 is going easy, but I really don't think it is that bad. No one is having their life ruined. The kid made a mistake, this will probably mean he does not make the same mistake again. It is completely understandable for a resort to try to prevent people from doing this. It would be understandable if they banned the guy for a couple of years, they are not doing that. He is getting out of this without even a criminal record, so I think he is not really getting screwed that badly. 2,500 is not all that much money in the scheme of things.
I'm still at a loss for how a 16 year old does not know that you can't use someone else's pass. I can understand a 10 year old, but by 16 you really should have more sense than that.
And by the way, they are NOT being punished to the fullest extent of the law. The resort could have called the cops, they did not.
You can certainly question things. Someone having their life ruined for a few grams would be an example of injustice. What happened to the OP pails in comparison.
Fuck vail. And fuck fis, even though they have nothing to do with this haha
People pay $2500 for season passes? Fuckkkkkk
It's theft of services you goober. Same thing they'd charge you with if you got caught walking into a movie theater without paying.
JahAndNicoteneFuck vail. And fuck fis, even though they have nothing to do with this haha
Why “fuck Vail”? They did what has to be done to idiots like this who think they can get away with this shit. Lift tickets are expensive, but don’t be op when you get busted.
weedooWhy “fuck Vail”? They did what has to be done to idiots like this who think they can get away with this shit. Lift tickets are expensive, but don’t be op when you get busted.
I'm just saying fuck vail in general haha. They definitely didn't call the cops and didn't ban them for life, which is commendable. They didn't do anything wrong, I'm just a hater :)
LonelyBit of an oversimplification. You're charging them $500 because they're stealing the day pass. You mark them and if they do it again, get the cops and courts involved. Kids do dumb things. I have never once said what he did was right, or that he shouldn't be punished. Only that the punishment needed be so sharp.
I guess since the federal government says weed is illegal its a rule. You can't question it, or how people get their lives ruined over a few g's. It's just the rules. You're breaking the law by possesing or smoking. If you get caught with grass you should be punished to the fullest extent. Even if youre just a kid trying it for the first time. Youre a godamn criminal and should be thrown in jail.
LOL WUT.
Smoking weed = putting things in your own body that 0 impact on other people The fact that it's illegal, is absurd.
What the fuck does that have to do with stealing/theft of services.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/595169/DON--39-T-DO-IT-IN-THE-PARK--REAL-KICK-OUT-
JahAndNicoteneI'm just saying fuck vail in general haha. They definitely didn't call the cops and didn't ban them for life, which is commendable. They didn't do anything wrong, I'm just a hater :)
Yeah! Down with the corporations man!!!
Vails an easy target for clueless people generally.
theabortionatorLOL WUT.
Smoking weed = putting things in your own body that 0 impact on other people The fact that it's illegal, is absurd.
What the fuck does that have to do with stealing/theft of services.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/595169/DON--39-T-DO-IT-IN-THE-PARK--REAL-KICK-OUT-
Yeah. Bad apology tbh
My phone is at 3% battery, could someone post the South Park beating a dead horse gif on my behalf? Thanks in advance.
Mort’s grandma could fight this legal battle for you.
My mountain started cracking down on this. They pulled out a stat that is something line 25-30% of potential ticket sales is lost because of people not buying tickets or using other peoples. Not sure how accurate that is but even if it 5% thats a pretty good chunk of change.
Bottom line if you go skiing somewhere, buy a pass its not worth getting caught especially with resorts implementing more technology to stop this.
Bottom line if you go skiing somewhere, buy a pass its not worth getting caught especially with resorts implementing more technology to stop this.
Passes should be transferrable. Would make sense, and a lot of other businesses are going that route. The pass is good for 1 persons, so what difference does it make if it's you using it that day or someone else. Still just 1 person being allowed on the hill. Festival passes and transit passes are starting to be transferrable. Don't see why ski hills can't do the same. The loss is pass sales from people sharing clearly isn't an issue if other businesses are doing it, and makes sense that the only sales lost would be the occasional single day ticket if that even.
VinnieFPasses should be transferrable. Would make sense, and a lot of other businesses are going that route. The pass is good for 1 persons, so what difference does it make if it's you using it that day or someone else. Still just 1 person being allowed on the hill. Festival passes and transit passes are starting to be transferrable. Don't see why ski hills can't do the same. The loss is pass sales from people sharing clearly isn't an issue if other businesses are doing it, and makes sense that the only sales lost would be the occasional single day ticket if that even.
Dude. They would lose a bunch on pass sales.
Most people dont ski all day every day. A ton of people would split passes to split the costs.
What fetivals are advertising transferablr wristband? Everyone Ive ever been to is a stictly non transferable policy. Alterations to wristband like cutting the ends, not having the black piece (cloth) or having it clear taped on ( paper) can get you booted.
Sure people leaving early sell wristbands all the time, but Ive never heard of a festival saying they were cool with that.
Even if they lost 10% of pass revenue for a season because of it, it's ONLY 10% but it's still a good amount of money the ski area is banking on.
A ton of ski areas aren't that well off turning crazy profits. Some are barely breaking even.
VinnieFPasses should be transferrable. Would make sense, and a lot of other businesses are going that route. The pass is good for 1 persons, so what difference does it make if it's you using it that day or someone else. Still just 1 person being allowed on the hill. Festival passes and transit passes are starting to be transferrable. Don't see why ski hills can't do the same. The loss is pass sales from people sharing clearly isn't an issue if other businesses are doing it, and makes sense that the only sales lost would be the occasional single day ticket if that even.
Ski resorts absolutely cannot operate this way. They would lose tons of money on day tickets and season passes.
Back when I worked at a ski shop we had a shop pass for both Squaw and Alpine, they were separate back then. Anyone in the shop could use the pass, but it could only be used by one person. Everyone in the shop owned a pass anyway, we had a discount, but if you had a Squaw pass and wanted to ski Alpine you could take the shop pass. I don't know what the shop pass cost, but I'm quite sure it would not be the same as an individual pass.
If someone uses a pass that is not theirs that costs the resort a day ticket. If this was done regularly it would cost the resort quite a bit of money. There might be some businesses that can operate in the manner you suggest, but a ski resort is not one of them. Put it this way, two friends live in the bay area and ski Squaw on weekends. They could alternate who goes up each weekend, and only pay for one pass for the two of them. Most Tahoe weekenders are going up 2-3 weekends a month anyway, so they don't go every weekend. If lots of people do this it could significantly impact the revenue Squaw receives, they really can't have that.
Yeah it's your fault but either way Fuck Vail and fuck $150 lift tickets. Hit some urban!
TheHamburglarYeah it's your fault but either way Fuck Vail and fuck $150 lift tickets. Hit some urban!
All I was ever trying to say
theabortionatorDude. They would lose a bunch on pass sales.
Most people dont ski all day every day. A ton of people would split passes to split the costs.
What fetivals are advertising transferablr wristband? Everyone Ive ever been to is a stictly non transferable policy. Alterations to wristband like cutting the ends, not having the black piece (cloth) or having it clear taped on ( paper) can get you booted.
Sure people leaving early sell wristbands all the time, but Ive never heard of a festival saying they were cool with that.
Even if they lost 10% of pass revenue for a season because of it, it's ONLY 10% but it's still a good amount of money the ski area is banking on.
A ton of ski areas aren't that well off turning crazy profits. Some are barely breaking even.
To start, Bluesfest in Ottawa has started doing transferable passes recently. Jazz fest has done it for a while.
I disagree that they would loose a ton of money. You're thinking everyone is a ski bum, which hardly anyone is.
Look at it this way: What is one of the largest groups if not the largest group of skiers? It's those who ski a handful of times a year. Certainly not enough to warrant buying a pass. Usually the type of people with little to no hill fidelity and might go a couple times to one hill and a couple times to another. That is your target with transferable passes. Suddenly you have a pass option that they can think is worth their while if they can split it with their wife/friend/coworker. Now that person has paid up front more money to your business than they would pay over a few visits (lifts turn regardless of whether they show) AND makes them more tied down to your business instead of the competition. They're now more likely to ski at your hill solely buying food etc.
Then let's not forget the marketing aspect of it. If there are 4 hills around your city, all of them have equal prices season's passes, but one allows you to transfer if to another person, which one are you likely to buy?
Obviously location is huge for this. But in an area like Ottawa where there are several hill all close to a large population all vying for the weekend warrior money this would be killer. No, it wouldn't work in small ski towns with 1 mountain.
And as a side note, although it's not official, Camp Fortune (ski hill near Ottawa) essentially has transferable passes now. Yes, it's against their terms, but the pass has no picture, stays inside your jacket and the gates open automatically with no picture showing up. It's quite fool proof for using someone else's pass. If their pass sales drop by any significant margin next year that can only be attributed to pass sharing then I would eat my hat.
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