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Binding to compliment Camox

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powpatrol
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Looking for a binding for some Black crow camoxs,no tech or touring as staying in mostly lift accessible conditions
Thinking Tyrolia attack 13s,marker jester or griffin.
Advance to expert level skier on the lighter side 125-130 pounds
Dec 29 2017 11:18AM
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Greg_K
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Attack 13 with the 95 brake(it’s actually 97mm) so a perfect fit for those skis. Attack 13 are light, durable, easy to get in and out of and they are priced right. Made the switch to these a few years ago and wouldn’t go back to anything else.
Dec 29 2017 1:04PM
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carsonmclovin
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Pivots.
Dec 29 2017 3:30PM
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Sharko
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Greg_KAttack 13 with the 95 brake(it’s actually 97mm) so a perfect fit for those skis. Attack 13 are light, durable, easy to get in and out of and they are priced right. Made the switch to these a few years ago and wouldn’t go back to anything else.

Same here. This is my first season with attacks after a few on griffons, griffons have zero advantages over attacks
Dec 29 2017 4:01PM
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BrawnTrends
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Attacks 13 all the way (11 are great too, if you're short on cash)
Dec 29 2017 4:43PM
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Greg_K
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BrawnTrendsAttacks 13 all the way (11 are great too, if you're short on cash)


The Attack 11 bindings actually have a few differences besides lower DIN and one of them is a much higher heel height that can cause ramp angle/delta issues. Can feel like you're on high heels a bit making you feel backseat when you ski. They are made to force the beginner to lean forward more. The Attack 12 has the same heel as the 13, so it's just a lower DIN.
So I agree the Attack 12 is a good choice on a budget but don't recommend the Attack 11 to anyone but a beginner.

Cheers
Dec 29 2017 4:55PM
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powpatrol
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Thanks everyone,looks like attacks are the way to go!
Dec 29 2017 5:08PM
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BrawnTrends
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Greg_KThe Attack 11 bindings actually have a few differences besides lower DIN and one of them is a much higher heel height that can cause ramp angle/delta issues. Can feel like you're on high heels a bit making you feel backseat when you ski. They are made to force the beginner to lean forward more. The Attack 12 has the same heel as the 13, so it's just a lower DIN.
So I agree the Attack 12 is a good choice on a budget but don't recommend the Attack 11 to anyone but a beginner.

Cheers


I had no idea. I just measured them and the 11's heel is indeed 2mm higher than the 13. I learned something today.
Dec 30 2017 3:59AM
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Greg_K
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BrawnTrendsI had no idea. I just measured them and the 11's heel is indeed 2mm higher than the 13. I learned something today.


Did you just measure the Attack 2 11 and Attack 2 13 then because the Attack 11 and 13 from last years model were about 6mm higher in the 11, so they must have brought them down in the heel on the version 2 11 Attacks. The original Attack 13 was about 3mm or so higher in the heel than the front toe height but the Attack 11 was a whole 9mm different from the heel to toe. On an average sized 26.5 boot, that height difference was like adding 2 more degrees of forward lean on a persons boot!

The old Head/Tyrolia Peak bindings and Fisher X-13 bindings had a similar 9mm heel to toe difference. I had a pair of the Fisher X-13 Bindings and always wondered why the same skis of just different lengths felt so different between ones with the Fishers and ones with the original Attack 13 on them and found out about the different ramp delta of bindings. Most companies are pretty even with heel to toe heights now but the old Attack 11 was one that stood out still. Looks like the new one is not as bad as it used to be but I'd still lean towards the Attack 2 12 as the "basic model" for anyone that isn't a beginner.
Dec 30 2017 9:47AM
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