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Global warming and skiing

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lmmcc
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What are all your thoughts on the effect global warming has on skiing? Do you even believe in it?Seems like every season there’s less snow and it keeps getting warmer. Prime example of this is the end of Camp of Champions (RIP). At this rate the future of skiing definitely isn’t improving snow wise.

(If this is in the wrong section I apologize I’m still new)
Dec 3 2017 2:41PM
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PsychicMigration
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You don't even have to look to the future just look at how many small local hills have closed in the last 25 years. Nearly every town in VT, NH, Maine and parts of CT and MA had multiple local hills even RI had 3-5 at one point. Really sad how fast the earth is deteriorating due to human ignorance.
Oct 25 2018 1:00AM
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TheDoughAbides
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ColoradokidBet I actually to ken caryl elementary school b.


How many times have you been held back so far?
Oct 25 2018 12:08PM
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ColoradoDogfart
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TheDoughAbidesHow many times have you been held back so far?


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Oct 25 2018 12:22PM
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lmmcc
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peterkskisYou don't even have to look to the future just look at how many small local hills have closed in the last 25 years. Nearly every town in VT, NH, Maine and parts of CT and MA had multiple local hills even RI had 3-5 at one point. Really sad how fast the earth is deteriorating due to human ignorance.


That's so bad I had no idea that was going on. If people don't do something now about climate change then we're all gonna be fucked and there's we're gonna be able to do about it.
Oct 26 2018 11:36AM
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PsychicMigration
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lmmccThat's so bad I had no idea that was going on. If people don't do something now about climate change then we're all gonna be fucked and there's we're gonna be able to do about it.


check this site out the numbers are in the thousands in northeast alone http://www.nelsap.org/
Oct 27 2018 3:37AM
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hi_vis360
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A lot of places in the US are fucked for sure, but it will start snowing more in the arctic and subarctic due to less sea ice. For example, the Chic chocs often get less snow in colder years because the gulf of st. lawrence freezes over and they stop getting sea-effect snow.
Oct 27 2018 11:52AM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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CLQYou can instantly tell someone is in an idiot if they don't believe in climate change.


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Feb 13 2019 7:30PM
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M_Garcia
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knock on all your neighbors doors and tell them to get tesla energy- it's free! and will make you like 70% solar for the year plus save like 2k
Feb 13 2019 10:21PM
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skiguy04
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Fake news
Feb 14 2019 7:40PM
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lmmcc
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skiguy04Fake news

Makes total sense considering there's mounds of scientific evidence proving climate change and how humans have been a big factor causing it. "Believing" in climate change really isn't a belief, it's facts backed by evidence. Not believing in climate change is like being an anti-vaxxer, you're just plain ignorant about proven facts.
Feb 20 2019 12:47PM
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Jibs.And.Bibs
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No, are you kidding me! Winters have been getting longer and longer, I love it! My ski season in Pennsylvania starts a little bit before Christmas and ends a little bit after spring. Global warming isn't real, it's been proven that about 20 years ago the temperature was about 4 to 14 degrees higher.
SKI ON!
Feb 20 2019 1:02PM
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Vitiligo
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Jibs.And.BibsNo, are you kidding me! Winters have been getting longer and longer, I love it! My ski season in Pennsylvania starts a little bit before Christmas and ends a little bit after spring. Global warming isn't real, it's been proven that about 20 years ago the temperature was about 4 to 14 degrees higher.
SKI ON!


this is sarcasm right..? I'm an environmental science minor (not saying that give me full credibility but I have a passion for understanding and protecting our environment) and I've reviewed NASA's findings on the global temperature rises. It's pretty simple science when it comes down to it.

NASA takes ice core samples from different glaciers in the two poles that go down far enough to show what temperatures were ~400 thousand years ago and show the natural warming and cooling periods that the Earth goes through. However, right after the start of the industrial revolution there is a spike in the carbon dioxide parts per million (the less carbon dioxide PPM in the atmosphere the cooler the Earth will be, the more the warmer it will be) that doesn't stop going up and won't until the entirety of the human race comes together to help reduce our overall footprint on the world. I have included the graph that shows this... but if you think its all a hoax then you are probably too fucking stupid to understand it anyway.

I am not here to argue how we go about that or to hold any political stance, but if you think that climate change is hoax and the fact that the Earth is not reaching a dangerous overall temperature isn't true then you are just being a naive little fuck who just makes this whole issue that much harder to deal with.
Sorry rant over.

Feb 20 2019 1:54PM
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crustyboot.420
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Bruh what's the thing that american People dont belive in global warming? Yall stupid or somethig?
Feb 21 2019 3:25PM
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Cryptno
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Vitiligothis is sarcasm right..? I'm an environmental science minor (not saying that give me full credibility but I have a passion for understanding and protecting our environment) and I've reviewed NASA's findings on the global temperature rises. It's pretty simple science when it comes down to it.

NASA takes ice core samples from different glaciers in the two poles that go down far enough to show what temperatures were ~400 thousand years ago and show the natural warming and cooling periods that the Earth goes through. However, right after the start of the industrial revolution there is a spike in the carbon dioxide parts per million (the less carbon dioxide PPM in the atmosphere the cooler the Earth will be, the more the warmer it will be) that doesn't stop going up and won't until the entirety of the human race comes together to help reduce our overall footprint on the world. I have included the graph that shows this... but if you think its all a hoax then you are probably too fucking stupid to understand it anyway.

I am not here to argue how we go about that or to hold any political stance, but if you think that climate change is hoax and the fact that the Earth is not reaching a dangerous overall temperature isn't true then you are just being a naive little fuck who just makes this whole issue that much harder to deal with.
Sorry rant over.



Hey mister science man did you forget that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old? So your chart represents the equivalent of millisecond. Doesn't seem like very conclusive data to me. Nothing that is happening now is out of the ordinary. I am not climate change denier yet for you to throw this idea that it's man made and catastrophic is idiotic. First there is no conclusive evidence that demonstrates causation with co2 and temperature. Second the Earth is in a cool period, a ice age infact, and humans are a tropical creature, warming would do good for us, it would allow for parts of globe once thought to be too cold to grow in arable. Third just as one can easily throw out projections of the world being under water in 5 years you could also acknowledge how much more moist the atmosphere leading to, you guessed it, more arable.
Feb 21 2019 4:06PM
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BrawnTrends
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HoughJust started writing my dissertation on the effects of climate change to the ski industry in the French alps. Going to be looking at temperatures, snow depth, season length, snowfall variability, snowpack stability, glacial retreat and the economical effects to the big French resorts over the past ~20 years to see if I can predict some of the future effects to the industry itself..

Will post back here when it's finished if anyone wants to read it :)

**This post was edited on Dec 3rd 2017 at 4:39:59pm


Still not finished?
Feb 21 2019 5:30PM
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JWillySkeez
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CryptnoHey mister science man did you forget that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old? So your chart represents the equivalent of millisecond. Doesn't seem like very conclusive data to me. Nothing that is happening now is out of the ordinary. I am not climate change denier yet for you to throw this idea that it's man made and catastrophic is idiotic. First there is no conclusive evidence that demonstrates causation with co2 and temperature. Second the Earth is in a cool period, a ice age infact, and humans are a tropical creature, warming would do good for us, it would allow for parts of globe once thought to be too cold to grow in arable. Third just as one can easily throw out projections of the world being under water in 5 years you could also acknowledge how much more moist the atmosphere leading to, you guessed it, more arable.


I often wonder what its like to be so misinformed that I think the world is in an ice age. Perhaps another 12 bowls and I'll know. Also climate change as mentioned by many other reasonable people in this thread does not warm the world but rather increases the amount of energy in the atmosphere, were not going to end up with more arable land were going to end up with places so ravaged by weather extremes that they become unlivable.
Feb 21 2019 6:23PM
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Jibs.And.Bibs
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Vitiligothis is sarcasm right..? I'm an environmental science minor (not saying that give me full credibility but I have a passion for understanding and protecting our environment) and I've reviewed NASA's findings on the global temperature rises. It's pretty simple science when it comes down to it.

NASA takes ice core samples from different glaciers in the two poles that go down far enough to show what temperatures were ~400 thousand years ago and show the natural warming and cooling periods that the Earth goes through. However, right after the start of the industrial revolution there is a spike in the carbon dioxide parts per million (the less carbon dioxide PPM in the atmosphere the cooler the Earth will be, the more the warmer it will be) that doesn't stop going up and won't until the entirety of the human race comes together to help reduce our overall footprint on the world. I have included the graph that shows this... but if you think its all a hoax then you are probably too fucking stupid to understand it anyway.

I am not here to argue how we go about that or to hold any political stance, but if you think that climate change is hoax and the fact that the Earth is not reaching a dangerous overall temperature isn't true then you are just being a naive little fuck who just makes this whole issue that much harder to deal with.
Sorry rant over.



Good, seems like you have some sort of connection with NASA, if you think global warming is real then please tell NASA to start figuring out ways to stop this climate change, also tell them to stop collecting data since they already know that climate change is real and can prove it and to stop arguing with people that do not believe that climate change is real.

Arguing won't help stop climate change,
Action will.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment and for informing me with some very interesting data. I try not to be stubborn and I try to accept points of view.
Have a good day!
SKI ON!
Feb 21 2019 7:21PM
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lmmcc
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CryptnoHey mister science man did you forget that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old? So your chart represents the equivalent of millisecond. Doesn't seem like very conclusive data to me. Nothing that is happening now is out of the ordinary. I am not climate change denier yet for you to throw this idea that it's man made and catastrophic is idiotic. First there is no conclusive evidence that demonstrates causation with co2 and temperature. Second the Earth is in a cool period, a ice age infact, and humans are a tropical creature, warming would do good for us, it would allow for parts of globe once thought to be too cold to grow in arable. Third just as one can easily throw out projections of the world being under water in 5 years you could also acknowledge how much more moist the atmosphere leading to, you guessed it, more arable.

Unfortunately, scientists cannot measure that far back, but 400,000 YEARS with a consistent pattern seems pretty conclusive to me. I'm not sure if you looked at the chart or not because you can clearly see that the pattern had been disrupted and is now out of the ordinary because of humans. Notice how it shot up after the Industrial Revolution, supporting the idea that the CO2 levels are clearly being influenced by humans. Quoting an article from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, "The rise in CO2 is unambiguously caused by human activity, principally fossil-fuel burning." You can find that article here: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/2018/09/19/is-the-current-rise-in-co2-definitely-caused-by-human-activities/. If you do a simple Google search you can find thousands upon thousands of sources advocating for how humans are contributing to the rise in CO2, and that in turn causes higher temperatures. Humans putting more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere enhances the greenhouse effect, contributing to the warming of the earth (http://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/climate-science-data/climate-science/greenhouse-effect).
I'm not sure where you got the idea that climate change would actually do us good, but that's the opposite of the truth. With climate change the weather is going to go to the extremes. This means more intense heat waves (not good), rise of sea levels (also not good), more droughts, etc. Read more here: https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/.
Addressing your third point, while some areas of the world may become more arable, this will cause the rest to be screwed. This could make it so there are droughts in the summer but wetter autumns, which would have a negative impact on the harvest system. Basically a short term gain is going to come at the cost of long term effects, which is not good. Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-05-climate-arable.html.
Feb 22 2019 1:51PM
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BJ2112
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This type of stuff really makes me sad, and theres not much individuals can do about it.
Feb 22 2019 2:35PM
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ThaLorax
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BJ2112theres not much individuals can do about it.


Bullshit. That defeatist, do nothing attitude is what will make it worse for everyone. There's tons of things one can do on an individual basis that can make a difference.
Feb 23 2019 2:38AM
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skiguy04
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lmmccMakes total sense considering there's mounds of scientific evidence proving climate change and how humans have been a big factor causing it. "Believing" in climate change really isn't a belief, it's facts backed by evidence. Not believing in climate change is like being an anti-vaxxer, you're just plain ignorant about proven facts.


nolliebackflipBruh what's the thing that american People dont belive in global warming? Yall stupid or somethig?


BJ2112This type of stuff really makes me sad, and theres not much individuals can do about it.


Hahahaha carbon tax you dummies
Feb 23 2019 10:45AM
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postal_slime
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old homie from my college, absolute ripper, some of you may know him or seen him on line TC...
he made this film about global warming and skiing: The Last American Ski Bum
https://vimeo.com/148835519
Feb 23 2019 12:54PM
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Vitiligo
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CryptnoHey mister science man did you forget that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old? So your chart represents the equivalent of millisecond. Doesn't seem like very conclusive data to me. Nothing that is happening now is out of the ordinary. I am not climate change denier yet for you to throw this idea that it's man made and catastrophic is idiotic. First there is no conclusive evidence that demonstrates causation with co2 and temperature. Second the Earth is in a cool period, a ice age infact, and humans are a tropical creature, warming would do good for us, it would allow for parts of globe once thought to be too cold to grow in arable. Third just as one can easily throw out projections of the world being under water in 5 years you could also acknowledge how much more moist the atmosphere leading to, you guessed it, more arable.


"Nothing is happening out of the ordinary" ????? so the PPM going far above levels that have been consistent for the last 400,000 isn't out of the ordinary? what the fuck do you consider out of the ordinary? lmao you are apart of the problem in this whole thing. nothing will change until everyone tries to change things. Also, you say there is no conclusive evidence that shows causation with co2 and temperature??? Honestly you are so ignorant and small minded that you can take facts over your own opinion so I dont know why I'm even taking my time to respond to you. AND you think the Earth is in a cooling period? hahaha you are a fucking idiot
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Feb 23 2019 2:07PM
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BJ2112
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skiguy04Hahahaha carbon tax you dummies

Seems like a good idea but have you watched the mews at all? What do you think the protests in france and europe are about?
Feb 24 2019 12:11PM
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ThaLorax
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BJ2112Seems like a good idea but have you watched the mews at all? What do you think the protests in france and europe are about?


That's irrelevant. Their gas is already nearly double the price of ours. According to most of the econonic and climate experts, a carbon tax is the most effective way forward
Feb 24 2019 3:12PM
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ThaLorax
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Check out hamra.net for tons of info onto he subject. He's both a climate science and economic expert (and a really nice guy but that's irrelevant)
Feb 24 2019 3:19PM
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dolanslebensraum
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Global warming is real, just like global cooling.
And all you have to do to get global cooling is dump mountains of nitrogen fertilizer in the worlds equatorial oceans. You will get thousands of square miles of plankton beds pumping out a million liters of oxygen every second.
For the girly amount of CO2 our species produces we could crush that with photosynthetic Oxygen production if we gave half an ass of effort.

The discovery channel did a show on fertilizing the oceans years ago, but its been banned from the airwaves because the left wants to milk the climate crisis for righteous authority over capitalist polluters
Feb 24 2019 4:15PM
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ThaLorax
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DolanReloadedits been banned from the airwaves because the left wants to milk the climate crisis for righteous authority over capitalist polluters


Pretty sure it's been banned for a litany of reasons aside from that
Feb 24 2019 11:37PM
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dolanslebensraum
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ThaLoraxPretty sure it's been banned for a litany of reasons aside from that


Like what genius boy?
Feb 25 2019 6:30AM
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HaydenB
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MN is really weird, whole season up till February we had almost no snow but cold enough temps to make a lot thankfully, then early Feb we get like 2 feet of natural snow and it has been snowing on and off now for the last couple weeks
Feb 25 2019 10:40AM
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.Morton
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DolanReloadedLike what genius boy?

Like how having large spikes in plankton is actually really bad all around. Ever heard of an algal bloom? They actually deplete oxygen when they die and decompose and it kills most other living things in the water due to hypoxia.
Feb 25 2019 2:11PM
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TheDoughAbides
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DolanReloadedLike what genius boy?


look up eutrophication

also look up dead zone in gulf of mexico
Feb 25 2019 5:55PM
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hi_vis360
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.MortonLike how having large spikes in plankton is actually really bad all around. Ever heard of an algal bloom? They actually deplete oxygen when they die and decompose and it kills most other living things in the water due to hypoxia.


I think what he was probably thinking about was adding chelated iron, which is a limiting nutrient for phytoplankton so when you add it to the ocean you get crazy blooms that suck up CO2 super fast. HABs and eutrophication aren't actually a problem in the open ocean but it's still a bad idea cause our knowledge of how plankton and ocean currents work is still pretty poor.
Feb 25 2019 6:04PM
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dolanslebensraum
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pinkcamo1000I think what he was probably thinking about was adding chelated iron, which is a limiting nutrient for phytoplankton so when you add it to the ocean you get crazy blooms that suck up CO2 super fast. HABs and eutrophication aren't actually a problem in the open ocean but it's still a bad idea cause our knowledge of how plankton and ocean currents work is still pretty poor.

Feels good senpai.
Feb 25 2019 6:12PM
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skiguy04
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BJ2112Seems like a good idea but have you watched the mews at all? What do you think the protests in france and europe are about?

Carbon tax is a bad idea
ThaLoraxThat's irrelevant. Their gas is already nearly double the price of ours. According to most of the econonic and climate experts, a carbon tax is the most effective way forward
Feb 25 2019 9:43PM
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