Ski wax revolution?

Rum_HamBump was waxing my skis for this season and thought of this stuff. Anyone thinking of getting it.

The Phantom 2.0 is out now. Claim faster curing time.
Personally I will never use the stuff.
If you do use it, it's not going to work well on an extruded base. It's meant for sintered bases.
If you use it, you will never get wax into your base ever again.
So when you are dissapointed, you are just going to be screwed.
The stuff is only going to perform so-so. There are many factors to a fast well gliding base.
Anyway for some folks who don't ski much and never wax their skis, they will probably be okay with it.

There's over 500 comments in a thread about the stuff here. https://www.pugski.com/threads/review-dps-phantom-permanent-base-glide-treatment.7690/

This is from DPS's FAQ's on the stuff.

"Your skis or snowboard will retain a glossy black appearance after a
Phantom application. After thirty days or so of use, any base material
will begin to look “dry” as snow abrasion starts take its toll. At this
point, a stone grind will freshen the appearance to new."

So my take on this is that just as an abraded ski base will become slow, so will this stuff. I guess if you want to have the skis stone ground every 30 days, then go for it.

Fact is if you properly maintain a ski base with frequent waxing, the base should never become abraded and look grey and hairy.
I have skis that have been skied countless days and are very old, yet the bases look good as gold still because I wax, scrape, and brush them on a regular basis. Before I wax I make sure the bases are CLEAN by using Swix Glide Wax Cleaner, or at least brush them out real good first if the snow was clean and fresh.

Yeah I would never use it myself I’m just interested if anyone else has. I feel like it going to be bad for the longevity of the ski in terms of core shots. I’m under the impression that a waxed base is more resistant to core shots than an unwaxed base and frequent base grinds won’t help either.

IsitWinterYet17What do you mean caked on? Do you not already scrap and brush after you iron on the wax?

The lazy mans hungover hot wax. Just drip on and let the snow do the work for you.

Rum_HamYeah I would never use it myself I’m just interested if anyone else has. I feel like it going to be bad for the longevity of the ski in terms of core shots. I’m under the impression that a waxed base is more resistant to core shots than an unwaxed base and frequent base grinds won’t help either.

You never want to not wax the base. So why would you have an un-waxed ski?
There is no protection from a core shot! I don't care what one does.
The Phantom treated ski will repair the same as all of them.
Here, learn how to do a real solid repair. This is a long video, but it's the real deal if you want to learn, LISTEN!



https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/854862/How-To---Welded-Ski-Base-Repair-Core-Shots

CaseyThe lazy mans hungover hot wax. Just drip on and let the snow do the work for you.

If the wax comes off that easy from skiing a bit, then the wax and wax job is not correct in the first place.

DominatorJacquesYou never want to not wax the base. So why would you have an un-waxed ski?
There is no protection from a core shot! I don't care what one does.
The Phantom treated ski will repair the same as all of them.
Here, learn how to do a real solid repair. This is a long video, but it's the real deal if you want to learn, LISTEN!



https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/854862/How-To---Welded-Ski-Base-Repair-Core-Shots

Not unwaxed but dried out. Sorry if that was unclear. I’ve always been told if a base is well saturated with wax it is more resilient than a dried out base. And of course a base grind will make a base weaker as it gets thinner, so that makes phantom unattractive to me.

DominatorJacquesIf the wax comes off that easy from skiing a bit, then the wax and wax job is not correct in the first place.

This winter I will post a tutorial but in the interim here are the steps I follow to achieve my results:

step 1: get really fucking hammered and oversleep for your day of skiing.

step 2: remember that the snow is going to be sticky AF today but your ride is showing up in 5 minutes and you haven’t waxed your skis in a long time. Shit!

Step 3: put a pot of coffee on while you drip on and iron in whatever wax happens to be laying around on your bench from last time. Make sure you get some coffee it will help you out a ton in later steps of this tutorial.

Step 4: get to the mountain and go skiing. You’ll notice after a couple runs your bases look awesome, and your glide is whatever, probably better than before, maybe.

CaseyThis winter I will post a tutorial but in the interim here are the steps I follow to achieve my results:

step 1: get really fucking hammered and oversleep for your day of skiing.

step 2: remember that the snow is going to be sticky AF today but your ride is showing up in 5 minutes and you haven’t waxed your skis in a long time. Shit!

Step 3: put a pot of coffee on while you drip on and iron in whatever wax happens to be laying around on your bench from last time. Make sure you get some coffee it will help you out a ton in later steps of this tutorial.

Step 4: get to the mountain and go skiing. You’ll notice after a couple runs your bases look awesome, and your glide is whatever, probably better than before, maybe.

lmao this is how I waxed my skis all through college, great stuff

I can't believe how much money they made on this. 295k out of 35k

Rum_HamNot unwaxed but dried out. Sorry if that was unclear. I’ve always been told if a base is well saturated with wax it is more resilient than a dried out base. And of course a base grind will make a base weaker as it gets thinner, so that makes phantom unattractive to me.

No diss from me. People say that, but a rock will go through anything! Waxed or not. A "dried out" base is going to be slow and once it is it won't take in wax anymore. See this video as a good alternative to a base grind.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/781970/How-To-Renew-A-Sintered-Base-Ski-and-Fix-Base-Burn

CaseyThis winter I will post a tutorial but in the interim here are the steps I follow to achieve my results:

step 1: get really fucking hammered and oversleep for your day of skiing.

step 2: remember that the snow is going to be sticky AF today but your ride is showing up in 5 minutes and you haven’t waxed your skis in a long time. Shit!

Step 3: put a pot of coffee on while you drip on and iron in whatever wax happens to be laying around on your bench from last time. Make sure you get some coffee it will help you out a ton in later steps of this tutorial.

Step 4: get to the mountain and go skiing. You’ll notice after a couple runs your bases look awesome, and your glide is whatever, probably better than before, maybe.

Any wax will be better than none, but if it is too soft for the snow you gonna suck some wind until it gets removed from skiing.
A wax job that has poor adhesion should work well for that.
Anyway, I feel your pain. Time can be a hard thing to come by, so DPS Phantom may be just the thing for you. Really!