Good Evening New Schoolers,
Throwaway account from a throwaway investigator. I've contacted a few people with my personal Facebook as it is important to ask some questions with a face behind it and not a throwaway like this account.
It has come to my attention that a certain business that deleting 'fucking everything' to cover up a six figure fraud was a good course of action.
I disagree.
*I publically call forward all who preordered skis and particularly those who were in contact with any representative of revision skis past Feb 1 to pm me with the amount you pre ordered and any and all communication . I will ask for it as an attachment if there is something particularly interesting.
Stated purpose - this will be used to prove the amount of crime to have it reach an amount that can be prosecuted at the federal level. There are certain threshold amounts for it to be warranted. While numbers can be inferred, people with accounts tied to it is much better, as well as a reasonable suspicion bill burned his books (although wix.com should be able to have his data on file and it can be frozen if acted upon shortly). I am not asking for your name but understand some time in the future after subpoenas are issued some agent who hates his or her life will caall the 600ish who placed the orders for some type of restitution. This will be in probably a year and in another 3 of 4 you will get a little bit of your money back while bill is in jail and his family home gets liquidated leaving his wife and 3 kids to survive on their own. Im also determining if he improperly liquidated his assets or if another company did for him. Or perhaps he is using multiple companies as layers to hide another scheme with some conspirators. Perhaps that company did not conduct due diligence a la the pawn owner buying stolen goods. Ill figure out where you stuff went, and if I can't an actual agent will in due time don't worry.
*Any business that conducted business with bill should contact me. Even if you just took piss next to him in an industry event a couple months apart and he went from wearing a digital watch to a Rolex, this information is important .
Stated purpose- I am piecing together his money mindset and mentality from July 2016 on (1yr) as well as general lifestyle prior to establish his baseline personality.
*Any former employees and contractors are encouraged to discuss with me bsckpay and investment opportunities. As speculated by one forum user, I have a document where he roughly values his company as 2.5 million (LOL) and was hawking this tremendous opportunity to many it seems. Also please list any outstanding debts he owes to you.
Stated purpose- determine wire fraud, SEC violations, breach of contract another crimes
*Any who have done prior investigation work (such as those who contacted the Chinese company who makes the skis, found the bill and laden document). Many of you may be biased in one way or another with some type of conflict of interest. I quite frankly don't care too much about you guys other than you have clearly been wronged. However, determining what type of wrong and how it can be rectified is a tricky process.
Stated purpose - streamline and consolidate pertinent information into an easy to digest document for the relevant authorities as well as weighing some conflicting sources.
Overall stated goal - conclusively prove one federal crime so as to initiate federal charges and shine a light on an entire rotten structure. I do not believe with the current publically available information there is probable cause. With a couple more key documents and digging in the right direction it can be done. The valuation document I have key. I need more correspondence .
So get me more. I know it is out there.
So NS,
I need your help so I can help you. Lets embark upon a grand mission together.
Please keep shit posting out of this thread, as posts could end up being used as evidence in the future as I see it going that way.
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Forgot to mention - admins feel free to contact me given the nature of this account. I do not feel the original thread is streamlined enough for an agent reading tip after tip to be able to quickly and accurately discern civil crime from criminal crime which is what this thread seeks to consolidate.
What is your native language?
English.
On mobile so typos abound. My bad. Finished product will be very refined. Just need everyone's support to connect a couple dots I have independent of what is already out there. I believe I know where things are going.
If a criminal act occurred the federal system can bypass the protections of a corporation to secure restitution. Particularly for investors due to the De fact dissolution of his company and probable improprieties in selling off assets; but then pre-orders will be interesting and partly depend on how the skis listed on skis.com were acquired. I am not a lawyer and not 100% how pre-orders will be treated. We saw many $500 mortgage refinance fraud cases where the required work wasn't done and people went to jail with 1000 victims. There is a difference between fraud and mismanagement, however.
Separate, no one will get anything back and despite a lot of good investigation, I don't see any forward action. Together, something can be had*
*if its purely civil as it may end up being lawyers may eat up nearly all of the restitution but at least bill would be forced to defend the action resulting in severe financial ruin for himself
On mobile so typos abound. My bad. Finished product will be very refined. Just need everyone's support to connect a couple dots I have independent of what is already out there. I believe I know where things are going.
If a criminal act occurred the federal system can bypass the protections of a corporation to secure restitution. Particularly for investors due to the De fact dissolution of his company and probable improprieties in selling off assets; but then pre-orders will be interesting and partly depend on how the skis listed on skis.com were acquired. I am not a lawyer and not 100% how pre-orders will be treated. We saw many $500 mortgage refinance fraud cases where the required work wasn't done and people went to jail with 1000 victims. There is a difference between fraud and mismanagement, however.
Separate, no one will get anything back and despite a lot of good investigation, I don't see any forward action. Together, something can be had*
*if its purely civil as it may end up being lawyers may eat up nearly all of the restitution but at least bill would be forced to defend the action resulting in severe financial ruin for himself
18USC1343Good Evening New Schoolers,
Throwaway account from a throwaway investigator. I've contacted a few people with my personal Facebook as it is important to ask some questions with a face behind it and not a throwaway like this account.
It has come to my attention that a certain business that deleting 'fucking everything' to cover up a six figure fraud was a good course of action.
I disagree.
*I publically call forward all who preordered skis and particularly those who were in contact with any representative of revision skis past Feb 1 to pm me with the amount you pre ordered and any and all communication . I will ask for it as an attachment if there is something particularly interesting.
Stated purpose - this will be used to prove the amount of crime to have it reach an amount that can be prosecuted at the federal level. There are certain threshold amounts for it to be warranted. While numbers can be inferred, people with accounts tied to it is much better, as well as a reasonable suspicion bill burned his books (although wix.com should be able to have his data on file and it can be frozen if acted upon shortly). I am not asking for your name but understand some time in the future after subpoenas are issued some agent who hates his or her life will caall the 600ish who placed the orders for some type of restitution. This will be in probably a year and in another 3 of 4 you will get a little bit of your money back while bill is in jail and his family home gets liquidated leaving his wife and 3 kids to survive on their own. Im also determining if he improperly liquidated his assets or if another company did for him. Or perhaps he is using multiple companies as layers to hide another scheme with some conspirators. Perhaps that company did not conduct due diligence a la the pawn owner buying stolen goods. Ill figure out where you stuff went, and if I can't an actual agent will in due time don't worry.
*Any business that conducted business with bill should contact me. Even if you just took piss next to him in an industry event a couple months apart and he went from wearing a digital watch to a Rolex, this information is important .
Stated purpose- I am piecing together his money mindset and mentality from July 2016 on (1yr) as well as general lifestyle prior to establish his baseline personality.
*Any former employees and contractors are encouraged to discuss with me bsckpay and investment opportunities. As speculated by one forum user, I have a document where he roughly values his company as 2.5 million (LOL) and was hawking this tremendous opportunity to many it seems. Also please list any outstanding debts he owes to you.
Stated purpose- determine wire fraud, SEC violations, breach of contract another crimes
*Any who have done prior investigation work (such as those who contacted the Chinese company who makes the skis, found the bill and laden document). Many of you may be biased in one way or another with some type of conflict of interest. I quite frankly don't care too much about you guys other than you have clearly been wronged. However, determining what type of wrong and how it can be rectified is a tricky process.
Stated purpose - streamline and consolidate pertinent information into an easy to digest document for the relevant authorities as well as weighing some conflicting sources.
Overall stated goal - conclusively prove one federal crime so as to initiate federal charges and shine a light on an entire rotten structure. I do not believe with the current publically available information there is probable cause. With a couple more key documents and digging in the right direction it can be done. The valuation document I have key. I need more correspondence .
So get me more. I know it is out there.
So NS,
I need your help so I can help you. Lets embark upon a grand mission together.
Please keep shit posting out of this thread, as posts could end up being used as evidence in the future as I see it going that way.
Resume-
Former Actice Army.
Business owner.
DoJ (former)
Current VT Army NG (I got drill this weekend so don't expect much contact)
This is one of the weirdest things I have ever read. It is like an inverse Nigerian prince scam. You could not have any less of an idea of what you are writing about... so much so that I can only assume you are straight trollin'
You have two options to believe
1) I am a troll account because I'm a nerd who has no life.
2) the right member of the community knows of the type of legal cases I was involved with and sought advice.
I look forward to your retort where you are a federal attorney by day and shitposting NSer by night.
You guys need to establish 1) significant financial loss and particularly for investors who were defrauded by electronic communication 2) key elements of certain crimes for any type of restitution to be granted from his personal assets which im guessing he also has. If that can be done a free attorney and investigator courtesy of the USA will be assigned to the case. Look at that shit music festival. They rung him up on 1 charge. 1 charge only..that's all you need to get subpoenas and injunctions rolling. Given he deleted his webservers his data will be erased shortly. Instead of trolling back at me, get me some statements while they are still stored before the evidence is wiped and so are all 500+ of your skis.
I know there is gold floating around peoples inbox somewhere. I would like to package this information with about a dozen more hours of research on my end and ship it off to the authorities within by the 23rd. Enough to maybe catch an eyebrow one but not concise. Signed SAFE agreements would be great, broken promises from reps, statements of activity particularly during aug-Oct as that seems like s crucial 3 months of poor liquidity.
Talk to you tomorrow NS
1) I am a troll account because I'm a nerd who has no life.
2) the right member of the community knows of the type of legal cases I was involved with and sought advice.
I look forward to your retort where you are a federal attorney by day and shitposting NSer by night.
You guys need to establish 1) significant financial loss and particularly for investors who were defrauded by electronic communication 2) key elements of certain crimes for any type of restitution to be granted from his personal assets which im guessing he also has. If that can be done a free attorney and investigator courtesy of the USA will be assigned to the case. Look at that shit music festival. They rung him up on 1 charge. 1 charge only..that's all you need to get subpoenas and injunctions rolling. Given he deleted his webservers his data will be erased shortly. Instead of trolling back at me, get me some statements while they are still stored before the evidence is wiped and so are all 500+ of your skis.
I know there is gold floating around peoples inbox somewhere. I would like to package this information with about a dozen more hours of research on my end and ship it off to the authorities within by the 23rd. Enough to maybe catch an eyebrow one but not concise. Signed SAFE agreements would be great, broken promises from reps, statements of activity particularly during aug-Oct as that seems like s crucial 3 months of poor liquidity.
Talk to you tomorrow NS
18USC1343I look forward to your retort where you are a federal attorney by day and shitposting NSer by night.
You are right, I am not a federal attorney. However, I am an attorney and you do not know what you are talking about. That said, if you wanna forward tips to various agencies go for it but do not try to give legal advice to other people.
BrokenBonesYou are right, I am not a federal attorney. However, I am an attorney and you do not know what you are talking about. That said, if you wanna forward tips to various agencies go for it but do not try to give legal advice to other people.
I know nothing, but despite his strange language and atrocious grammar, he seems to be on it. Would you care to explain why he does not know what he is talking about?
hemlockjibber8Would you care to explain why he does not know what he is talking about?
Because he talks like the psychotic Heartcarve guy. There is no one who knows that much about law and simultaneously knows that little about how to construct a coherent sentence.
I'm just going to assume this thread was written by Bill himself, in an attempt to uncover what evidence NS has collected on him.
This could develop hilariously.
Maybe the mods can step in and see if this guys IP matches any other accounts?
I invite you to pointedly delineate where I am wrong. I can not respond to a broad brush claim from a supposed lawyer - of which we are all aware more came out of school in the last decade than there are jobs for and tier iii/IV law school grads never actually practice law. I am curious why you are not seeking to help the community with your supposed skills but given you believe telling people the need to prove elements of a federal crime if they really want their money back via the federal civil restitution process constitutes legal advice, I am not sure your skills would be for the best. Apparently, you can not educate others to their rights and aspects of the system. Woe to my 7th grade teacher for showing me the constitution, surely that was legal advice as I learned the first amendment and misapplied it thinking freedom of speech was absolute. Restating information publically listed information off of DoJ and FBI pages also doesnt count as legal advice just because it is official sounding lol.
If you seek a primer read how civil restitution is paid if a federal criminal act is commited, and a lone article on the fyrefestival founder being arrested for a recent case. I recommend looking at mortgage refinance (federal) mail fraud schemes also for restitution precedent. You can be helped out, the situation isn't as bad as some believe.
As per my IP address, in a day of tor and proxies its borderline worthless. I know only 1 (maybe 2?) members of this community. Using a cell tower on mobile.
All Im saying it...need documents of correspondence. Determining in full if certain things were done is not up to me but sometimes all it takes is the right statement with the right person watching the tip line to get something done. Having a well developed and sourced document will tremendously make it stand out as opposed to the crazy people who write in all the time. I have seen the messages that get laughed about, and I have seen the documents that get forwarded to someone to properly investigate. They will not investigate tth article (but it is a decent start)
**This post was edited on Jul 14th 2017 at 9:11:23am
**This post was edited on Jul 14th 2017 at 9:15:49am
If you seek a primer read how civil restitution is paid if a federal criminal act is commited, and a lone article on the fyrefestival founder being arrested for a recent case. I recommend looking at mortgage refinance (federal) mail fraud schemes also for restitution precedent. You can be helped out, the situation isn't as bad as some believe.
As per my IP address, in a day of tor and proxies its borderline worthless. I know only 1 (maybe 2?) members of this community. Using a cell tower on mobile.
All Im saying it...need documents of correspondence. Determining in full if certain things were done is not up to me but sometimes all it takes is the right statement with the right person watching the tip line to get something done. Having a well developed and sourced document will tremendously make it stand out as opposed to the crazy people who write in all the time. I have seen the messages that get laughed about, and I have seen the documents that get forwarded to someone to properly investigate. They will not investigate tth article (but it is a decent start)
**This post was edited on Jul 14th 2017 at 9:11:23am
**This post was edited on Jul 14th 2017 at 9:15:49am
18USC1343I invite you to pointedly delineate where I am wrong. I can not respond to a broad brush claim from a supposed lawyer - of which we are all aware more came out of school in the last decade than there are jobs for and tier iii/IV law school grads never actually practice law. I am curious why you are not seeking to help the community with your supposed skills but given you believe telling people the need to prove elements of a federal crime if they really want their money back via the federal civil restitution process constitutes legal advice, I am not sure your skills would be for the best. Apparently, you can not educate others to their rights and aspects of the system. Woe to my 7th grade teacher for showing me the constitution, surely that was legal advice as I learned the first amendment and misapplied it thinking freedom of speech was absolute. Restating information publically listed information off of DoJ and FBI pages also doesnt count as legal advice just because it is official sounding lol.
If you seek a primer read how civil restitution is paid if a federal criminal act is commited, and a lone article on the fyrefestival founder being arrested for a recent case. I recommend looking at mortgage refinance (federal) mail fraud schemes also for restitution precedent. You can be helped out, the situation isn't as bad as some believe.
As per my IP address, in a day of tor and proxies its borderline worthless. I know only 1 (maybe 2?) members of this community. Using a cell tower on mobile.
All Im saying it...need documents of correspondence. Determining in full if certain things were done is not up to me but sometimes all it takes is the right statement with the right person watching the tip line to get something done.
**This post was edited on Jul 14th 2017 at 9:11:23am
Nobody has any idea what you're on about. Either you are lawyer/law student with incredibly poor communication skills, or you're just a weirdo with incredibly poor communication skills.
You are correct in two regards.
1) I am a weirdo, this is why I am here. Normal people send their thoughts and sympathies via Twitter to those who get wronged. I solve shit to the best of my ability with the best resolution for those affected. Mobile is a horrible platform to write long paragraphs and particularly when deleting words and the merging of words you see above, it happens. I understand the incredulity expressed due to it but will not be near my laptop for some time so this what you got. Time is important for days retrieval purposes.
2) nobody having any idea what I am talking about is why a few hundred people lost a few hundred dollars. You are not aware of your rights in this type of case or what type of recourse can be done in regards to it. There was one post that delineated the probable course of a class action lawsuit, but not if a federal crime was commited. The main thread has a lot of good and a lot of bad spin on how to best come up with a resolution for the victims.
I am offering the possibility of another option. The guy who mentioned fyrefestival hit the nail on the head for how he believes this should be treated. Look up what he was arrested for and how the arrest happened. There are other better cases imo but that is relevant to this community and recent so I use it as an example. Bernie maddoff may have been a crook, but he didn't get to keep his personal assets just because he did it through a business. If criminal activity (perhaps dating back to the rail damage warranty being offered) occurred , his profits are forfeited. Due to the probable mingling of cash it will be interesting to sort out but that's for the USAO.
Or you can just accept you are a victim and let him go back to his house in Michigan and spend your money. I don't care.
Given the appearance of the skis I think its reasonable some degree of lying somewhere along the line. Some may say no shit, but its not that simple. The actual issue may lie elsewhere. Correspondence of any and all kind is probably the key to that deteruination. I recommend either a) send to me b) post here or c) send to one of guys who has already looked into this (possible best case option if they hAve the time) for collating and submitting to the proper authorities. I am not trying to do everything and really, really don't want to but would rather the community and particularly the victims take charge of where this needs to go rather than some chump outsider (me).
Potential six figure wire fraud (plus investment irregularities which is totally outside of my scope of knowledge) is probably a bigger issue than most here can do (as is myself alone), particularly given many nuances as I am not a legal expert, just know a couple facets really well .
GL, ill read the thread but not post until Monday to see how it develops. I wish all people who preordered, invested, or were his contractors the best of luck and can assist if so desired.
1) I am a weirdo, this is why I am here. Normal people send their thoughts and sympathies via Twitter to those who get wronged. I solve shit to the best of my ability with the best resolution for those affected. Mobile is a horrible platform to write long paragraphs and particularly when deleting words and the merging of words you see above, it happens. I understand the incredulity expressed due to it but will not be near my laptop for some time so this what you got. Time is important for days retrieval purposes.
2) nobody having any idea what I am talking about is why a few hundred people lost a few hundred dollars. You are not aware of your rights in this type of case or what type of recourse can be done in regards to it. There was one post that delineated the probable course of a class action lawsuit, but not if a federal crime was commited. The main thread has a lot of good and a lot of bad spin on how to best come up with a resolution for the victims.
I am offering the possibility of another option. The guy who mentioned fyrefestival hit the nail on the head for how he believes this should be treated. Look up what he was arrested for and how the arrest happened. There are other better cases imo but that is relevant to this community and recent so I use it as an example. Bernie maddoff may have been a crook, but he didn't get to keep his personal assets just because he did it through a business. If criminal activity (perhaps dating back to the rail damage warranty being offered) occurred , his profits are forfeited. Due to the probable mingling of cash it will be interesting to sort out but that's for the USAO.
Or you can just accept you are a victim and let him go back to his house in Michigan and spend your money. I don't care.
Given the appearance of the skis I think its reasonable some degree of lying somewhere along the line. Some may say no shit, but its not that simple. The actual issue may lie elsewhere. Correspondence of any and all kind is probably the key to that deteruination. I recommend either a) send to me b) post here or c) send to one of guys who has already looked into this (possible best case option if they hAve the time) for collating and submitting to the proper authorities. I am not trying to do everything and really, really don't want to but would rather the community and particularly the victims take charge of where this needs to go rather than some chump outsider (me).
Potential six figure wire fraud (plus investment irregularities which is totally outside of my scope of knowledge) is probably a bigger issue than most here can do (as is myself alone), particularly given many nuances as I am not a legal expert, just know a couple facets really well .
GL, ill read the thread but not post until Monday to see how it develops. I wish all people who preordered, invested, or were his contractors the best of luck and can assist if so desired.
So should I just DM you my SS# and credit card information, or just post it here?
18USC1343You are correct in two regards.
1) I am a weirdo, this is why I am here. Normal people send their thoughts and sympathies via Twitter to those who get wronged. I solve shit to the best of my ability with the best resolution for those affected...
2) nobody having any idea what I am talking about is why a few hundred people lost a few hundred dollars.
So, just to be clear, you are some kind of message board superhero who goes around righting wrongs, and people got scammed by Revision because they didn't have faith in you? And if people send you everything they know about Revision you are going to consolidate the info, send it to some federal agency, and get Bill prosecuted? But you don't want to use your real name or give any identifying information, you're not a lawyer, and English is your second (maybe third) language?
SharkoSo, just to be clear, you are some kind of message board superhero who goes around righting wrongs, and people got scammed by Revision because they didn't have faith in you? And if people send you everything they know about Revision you are going to consolidate the info, send it to some federal agency, and get Bill prosecuted? But you don't want to use your real name or give any identifying information, you're not a lawyer, and English is your second (maybe third) language?
This is kinda hilarious. Sure this guy seems weird and all but he's not asking for your ss or anything crazy. There is a 28 page thread containing all of revisions wrongdoings, and countless members complaining about how nothing is being done. Then someone comes along who seems to know what they're talking about (To an extent. A lot of what he has said checks out.) and the response from ns is " who the fuck are you to help us?". As far as I saw the guy wasn't asking anything crazy of anyone.
Instead he's actually trying to find somewhat of a solution to the problem. Y'all are just so ready to shit on someone just for the sake of being edgy. Y'all talking about going to bills house, suing him, and teaching him a lesson but then when someone actually tries to they get it thrown in their face?
I didn't even get fucked over by revision, but if I had a way or even an idea of how to get back at them for fucking over the comunity in more ways than one I would sure as hell would. And this guy seems like he is at least trying to some of the knowledge that he has to help out. If he starts asking for your credit card numbers and ss, sure, fuck him. But currently he is not so try to be a little less edgy and more constructive.
LonelyBut currently he is not so try to be a little less edgy and more constructive.
That's fair, point taken
That's what I was saying but I didn't think it had to be spelled out. Sure the guy writes strangely but he's on NS'S side.
LonelyThis is kinda hilarious. Sure this guy seems weird and all but he's not asking for your ss or anything crazy. There is a 28 page thread containing all of revisions wrongdoings, and countless members complaining about how nothing is being done. Then someone comes along who seems to know what they're talking about (To an extent. A lot of what he has said checks out.) and the response from ns is " who the fuck are you to help us?". As far as I saw the guy wasn't asking anything crazy of anyone.
Instead he's actually trying to find somewhat of a solution to the problem. Y'all are just so ready to shit on someone just for the sake of being edgy. Y'all talking about going to bills house, suing him, and teaching him a lesson but then when someone actually tries to they get it thrown in their face?
I didn't even get fucked over by revision, but if I had a way or even an idea of how to get back at them for fucking over the comunity in more ways than one I would sure as hell would. And this guy seems like he is at least trying to some of the knowledge that he has to help out. If he starts asking for your credit card numbers and ss, sure, fuck him. But currently he is not so try to be a little less edgy and more constructive.
hemlockjibber8That's what I was saying but I didn't think it had to be spelled out. Sure the guy writes strangely but he's on NS'S side.
I want to believe too, I'm just saying proceed cautiously because I'm smelling bullshit here: People who have good intentions and the skills to back it up don't have any reason to hide their identities.
I truthfully feel this guy is trying to do good, but it sounds like a foreclosure scam or something down that line.
If he is a lawyer, why not post where you got your degree, what exactly your law degree is in, or experience other than DoJ, etc. Just odd how "secretive" his posts seem.
Charlie Kelly has a degree in Bird Law, doesnt mean he should be telling everyone hes a lawyer
If he is a lawyer, why not post where you got your degree, what exactly your law degree is in, or experience other than DoJ, etc. Just odd how "secretive" his posts seem.
Charlie Kelly has a degree in Bird Law, doesnt mean he should be telling everyone hes a lawyer
Maybe the guy sounds a little weird, sure. But he also kinda sounds like a Rust Cohl, True Detective-type who's brain will not shut off and let him stop thinking about this shit... which is kinda awesome.
Didn't get scammed, but if I did I would probably at least send a PM and hear this guy out. Like ^above said, if he's not asking for SS# or anything strange, what could you possibly have to lose?
Didn't get scammed, but if I did I would probably at least send a PM and hear this guy out. Like ^above said, if he's not asking for SS# or anything strange, what could you possibly have to lose?
What if he is being so secretive because he would face stiff penalties from his job, possibly government, for using his insider knowledge to assblast Revision. He is just such a friend to justice that he refuses to let injustices slide by. He operates this side business of his out of a technologically state of the art cave located under his house. He might not be the hero you want, but he could be the hero you need.
18USC1343English.
On mobile so typos abound. My bad. Finished product will be very refined. Just need everyone's support to connect a couple dots I have independent of what is already out there. I believe I know where things are going.
If a criminal act occurred the federal system can bypass the protections of a corporation to secure restitution. Particularly for investors due to the De fact dissolution of his company and probable improprieties in selling off assets; but then pre-orders will be interesting and partly depend on how the skis listed on skis.com were acquired. I am not a lawyer and not 100% how pre-orders will be treated. We saw many $500 mortgage refinance fraud cases where the required work wasn't done and people went to jail with 1000 victims. There is a difference between fraud and mismanagement, however.
Separate, no one will get anything back and despite a lot of good investigation, I don't see any forward action. Together, something can be had*
*if its purely civil as it may end up being lawyers may eat up nearly all of the restitution but at least bill would be forced to defend the action resulting in severe financial ruin for himself
Revision wasn't a corporation though, was it? You don't even need to pierce the corporate veil because it was likely a sole proprietorship. So it should be pretty easy to hold him financially liable. But I'm not sure.
milk_manRevision wasn't a corporation though, was it?
Corporation registered in state of Michigan. Filling documents are public record.
iggyskierCorporation registered in state of Michigan. Filling documents are public record.
Shoot.. that makes it a little harder. Should be able to do something though, if someone has money for legal fees and stuff
hahaha, this kid sounds like a jackass.
This thread is strange
I would stay away from this, kids. What Bill did is beyond terrible and I want him to pay just as bad as anyone else... but sometimes you have to cut the loss and walk away. Losing a few hundred dollars and missing part of a ski season sucks, but it isn't even close to the end of the world or the worst thing that will happen to you. I think that it's best to focus on saving a few hundred dollars up (shouldn't take long), buy some reputable skis, and get super stoked for this next winter and put all of this behind you.
Sharing your personal information with a very strange stranger on an internet forum in hopes to recover maybe $100 in a class action law suit a few years down the road is not worth the countless other outcomes that could derive from that scenario.
Stay away from this.
Sharing your personal information with a very strange stranger on an internet forum in hopes to recover maybe $100 in a class action law suit a few years down the road is not worth the countless other outcomes that could derive from that scenario.
Stay away from this.
Park_RangerI would stay away from this, kids. What Bill did is beyond terrible and I want him to pay just as bad as anyone else... but sometimes you have to cut the loss and walk away. Losing a few hundred dollars and missing part of a ski season sucks, but it isn't even close to the end of the world or the worst thing that will happen to you. I think that it's best to focus on saving a few hundred dollars up (shouldn't take long), buy some reputable skis, and get super stoked for this next winter and put all of this behind you.
Sharing your personal information with a very strange stranger on an internet forum in hopes to recover maybe $100 in a class action law suit a few years down the road is not worth the countless other outcomes that could derive from that scenario.
Stay away from this.
whats up bill
I am exited to see the ridiculous outcome of this, *grabs popcorn*.
Inb4 everyone involved is Bill
DIRTYBUBBLEMaybe the mods can step in and see if this guys IP matches any other accounts?
nope, it doesn't
Park_RangerI would stay away from this, kids. What Bill did is beyond terrible and I want him to pay just as bad as anyone else... but sometimes you have to cut the loss and walk away. Losing a few hundred dollars and missing part of a ski season sucks, but it isn't even close to the end of the world or the worst thing that will happen to you. I think that it's best to focus on saving a few hundred dollars up (shouldn't take long), buy some reputable skis, and get super stoked for this next winter and put all of this behind you.
Sharing your personal information with a very strange stranger on an internet forum in hopes to recover maybe $100 in a class action law suit a few years down the road is not worth the countless other outcomes that could derive from that scenario.
Stay away from this.
What he did is illegal and he should face the consequences. It's not all about getting money back, but the price of these skis was a lot of money to some kids
Park_RangerSharing your personal information with a very strange stranger on an internet forum in hopes to recover maybe $100 in a class action law suit a few years down the road is not worth the countless other outcomes that could derive from that scenario.
Normally I'd 110% agree with this, but to play devil's advocate: What personal information is he really asking for? As far as I can tell (so far), he's only asked for Revision/consumer correspondence emails; how much could be taken from that and used illicitly? Maybe a physical address, email address, or last 4 digits of a CC from the order confirmation email?
On one hand, you've got the fact that its such a strangely specific request... like who the fuck even asks that? To me, thats what makes it feel semi-legitimate.
But then again, its still a stranger from the internet asking for your personal info. No matter how small or useless, usually a big time no-no.
Whatever happens, this thread is fascinating
icculus.whats up bill
bad joke, joke is bad
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