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How to Use a Paper Jig?
My friend took his Amplids with the black and gold fks 150's to be remounted but the shop said the bindings are too old. My friend says that he doesn't care and wants me to mount them for him since he doesn't trust himself. I've mounted bindings before but I did it freehand without a jig and they turned out okayish. The jig I'm using is https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAWVgtTDNqOGJNcHc/edit If anyone else could walk me through how to use a jig, that would be great.
You don't need the jig... Get out a damn ruler and do some measurements. A drill press helps immensely. Tape your bit so you don't go too far into the ski. Wood glue your screws in. Hand tighten your screws to avoid stripping.
.CJ.My friend took his Amplids with the black and gold fks 150's to be remounted but the shop said the bindings are too old. My friend says that he doesn't care and wants me to mount them for him since he doesn't trust himself. I've mounted bindings before but I did it freehand without a jig and they turned out okayish. The jig I'm using is https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SnAf18fUXAWVgtTDNqOGJNcHc/edit If anyone else could walk me through how to use a jig, that would be great.
Strongly against using paper jigs. I don't know where you live but if there are other shops in your area, I'm sure someone would do it. A lot of shops will do (un-indemnified) bindings if you sign a second release form. Especially with turntable binding (FKS's) I just would not want to take the chance of being off by a millimeter or two
waiting4snowStrongly against using paper jigs. I don't know where you live but if there are other shops in your area, I'm sure someone would do it. A lot of shops will do (un-indemnified) bindings if you sign a second release form. Especially with turntable binding (FKS's) I just would not want to take the chance of being off by a millimeter or two
a millimeter? how accurate do you think shop jigs are....
chickena millimeter? how accurate do you think shop jigs are....
With any other binding I would say fine but with turntable heels yes a millimeter or two can make a difference. That is why I always remove the rubber booties off the jigs when I mount a FKS or Pivot to eliminate the flex in them. Jigs are very accurate, its the rubber cushions that are not. Not to mention FKSs and Pivots only have about 5 mm of forward pressure adjustment in them.
It is not hard at all... I have mounted a few pairs of fks with that same paper template and if you have any amount of brains you should be fine. That paper template is self explanatory; just find your centerline, measure out where you want the ski to be mounted, pick out the correct bsl and tape the jig onto the centerline at the desired mount point. If you are off by a mm or two you will be fine. Generally my paper template mounts come out better than most shops who mount a hundred skis a day and use worn out jigs. One tip I have is check the print scaling and cut the template out so you don't have a bunch of extra paper in the way.
Yea, it's actually pretty simple. You can practice on a 2x4 if you want, too.
The hardest part IMO is getting a good centerline (longways) it just takes a lot of concentration and measurement. Once you have that, it's easy. Just throw on a duck tape drill bit collar so you don't go too deep. And, save the beer for afterwords
The hardest part IMO is getting a good centerline (longways) it just takes a lot of concentration and measurement. Once you have that, it's easy. Just throw on a duck tape drill bit collar so you don't go too deep. And, save the beer for afterwords
TDD536You don't need the jig... Get out a damn ruler and do some measurements. A drill press helps immensely. Tape your bit so you don't go too far into the ski. Wood glue your screws in. Hand tighten your screws to avoid stripping.
This is horrible advice.
IMO paper templates are more accurate than any jig if you do it right. Freehanding it is a horrible idea.
MuggydudeThis is horrible advice.
IMO paper templates are more accurate than any jig if you do it right. Freehanding it is a horrible idea.
Can you tell me why? I've done it on multiple pairs of skis and they rode just fine. All the jig does is measure for you, and if I have the proper knowledge of how to measure whats to stop me from doing it freehand and succeeding?
I used a ruler, a drill press, lots of masking tape, and a sharpie. Not rocket science.
I've mounted 20+ pairs of skis for myself, family, and friends and theyve all worked perfectly.
Read the "Binding Mount Paper Templates" thread on TGR and do a couple practice mounts on a 2x4 and it should go pretty smoothly.
tgr thread- http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/153971-Binding-Mount-Paper-Templates
Read the "Binding Mount Paper Templates" thread on TGR and do a couple practice mounts on a 2x4 and it should go pretty smoothly.
tgr thread- http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/153971-Binding-Mount-Paper-Templates
TDD536Can you tell me why? I've done it on multiple pairs of skis and they rode just fine. All the jig does is measure for you, and if I have the proper knowledge of how to measure whats to stop me from doing it freehand and succeeding?
I used a ruler, a drill press, lots of masking tape, and a sharpie. Not rocket science.
Because I know how easy it is to get the holes off even when being very careful with templates or even jigs, with a drill press, let alone freehanding it. Sure you might be able get it within acceptability by hand, but going to say I doubt your bindings are perfectly centered, straight, and set optimally.
I'm more of a perfectionist granted, but for a little extra work (though honestly I'd imagine freehanding is more work than templates - templates simply do all the measuring for you??), definitely worth it to use templates.
MuggydudeBecause I know how easy it is to get the holes off even when being very careful with templates or even jigs, with a drill press, let alone freehanding it. Sure you might be able get it within acceptability by hand, but going to say I doubt your bindings are perfectly centered, straight, and set optimally.
I'm more of a perfectionist granted, but for a little extra work (though honestly I'd imagine freehanding is more work than templates - templates simply do all the measuring for you??), definitely worth it to use templates.
Alright, I agree with that. I'll be honest, their definitely not perfect but they perform and that's what i'm worried about.
MuggydudeBecause I know how easy it is to get the holes off even when being very careful with templates or even jigs, with a drill press, let alone freehanding it. Sure you might be able get it within acceptability by hand, but going to say I doubt your bindings are perfectly centered, straight, and set optimally.
I'm more of a perfectionist granted, but for a little extra work (though honestly I'd imagine freehanding is more work than templates - templates simply do all the measuring for you??), definitely worth it to use templates.
I always center punch my holes before I take the template off that they're always bang on. I usually either drill with a drill press or a hand drill.
Provided that you take your time and are careful. You can freehand, use a paper template, or use a shop jig and get the same result. What matters the most is the experience of the tech doing the work. I have mounted skis in every way imaginable and each time you do it, the easier it becomes. Practice practice practice.
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