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ben.bodett
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i have a pair of last years chronics that i have only skied on for about 15 days in total, and these fucking edges cant tolerate shit. they are cracked in 3 places and about 5 inches under the boot has already ripped off, with more just sticking out. These are the least durable skis I have ever used, and I was wondering if anyone else has had this same problem. honestly, wtf line
Mar 6 2017 12:41AM
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Da.Vinci
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do you buy these skis knowing about their reputation?
Mar 6 2017 8:34AM
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a_burger
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did u detune
Mar 6 2017 9:14AM
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oxiclean
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Stop being a bitch.
Mar 6 2017 9:44AM
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supersquid
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get full tilts next time
Mar 6 2017 10:18AM
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tdollo
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-File edges down
-Don't always ride with the skis on the same feet, switch it up so you don't tear the hell outta the one edge
-Epoxy and clamp
-Be gental
-At least you didn't buy Revisions
Mar 6 2017 10:56AM
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UndockGulps
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I have the 2016/2017 chronics and they are perfectly fine after 15 days
Mar 6 2017 10:57AM
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NoImNotaBoarder
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I don't have chronics, but my friend has the 2016, and 2014 pairs. He loves them, and claims they hold up pretty well. I do know that one of the edges on the older pair popped out, but he loves the new ones.
Mar 6 2017 11:40AM
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JacksonScott
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I have the 2015 traveling circus ski and they are just as fucked as yours. I've skied them for 27 days and the topsheet near the edges are torn off and the wood is now exposed. yesterday I went for a good ole nollie and i heard a snap, looked down and straight across the ski its snapped.
Mar 6 2017 1:26PM
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orey
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my pair r holding up fine
Mar 6 2017 5:06PM
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tomatonater
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They're not the most durable skis. Topsheet loves to chip and sidewalk popped out. Fixed that, but I just lost a 4 inch piece of edge being my heel. Is where it went so I can't glue it in, just epoxied the section hopefully I can ski them for one more weekend
Mar 6 2017 6:09PM
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LJboi
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My brother went thru a pair in a month one year, got a refund tho
Mar 6 2017 8:39PM
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Swandog7
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Even though Line durability is pretty shit, edges cracking and falling out after 15 days is most likely the riders responsibility. Almost every company nowadays uses 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges (the fattest edges in the industry), so by no means does it so happen fall on Line Skis durability. The only company I know that adds some heat treatment is Armada that is supposed to help the life of the ski. It doesn't sound like you hit anything besides rails, and the sidewall you didnt mention at all.

Did you detune?
Did you swap skis around?
Did you epoxy and clamp?

Probably not.
Mar 6 2017 9:28PM
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DominatorJacques
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I spent 5 hours and 24 minutes to prepare a pair for a friend. Hope they hold out.
He is a smooth skier in the park though!
Here you go. Did you do this? https://youtu.be/N_aWiX_fekI?t=3h27m5s
Mar 6 2017 10:57PM
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drumbumocdp
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I ruined last years Chronic in about three weeks. This season, my new pair have about 60 days on them and i only have three edge cracks between both skis. It seems to be very hit or miss with their skis
Mar 6 2017 11:01PM
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Session
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Swandog7Almost every company nowadays uses 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges (the fattest edges in the industry)


No, they don't. Very few use a full 2.5 x 2.5.
Mar 6 2017 11:03PM
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MIHoodlum
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Tops flake like croissants but bottoms seem to hold. My 16 blends seem to flake easier then my 14 chronics did but it might be me with wider skis.
Mar 6 2017 11:20PM
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Swandog7
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SessionNo, they don't. Very few use a full 2.5 x 2.5.


Is it 2.5mm x 2.2? A good portion do, some companies vary it by ski, uses smaller edges for fatter pow sticks and such, but a lot of park skis do now. I know his Lines did.
Mar 6 2017 11:31PM
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lilgapaboi
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problem could have been solved before you bought new skis...
Mar 7 2017 10:20AM
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SofaKingSick
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Swandog7Did you epoxy and clamp?

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(Larry King voice) expand on that
Mar 7 2017 1:16PM
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TOK
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I still ski a pair of Line chronics from 2012 and have absolutely sent those through the ringer and they might have one edge crack after 100+ days of riding them. Mind you, those weren't all park days but still, mine have held up very well.
Mar 7 2017 2:00PM
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chubbspeterson
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i just cant understand why small, thin pieces of metal crack and break when you consistently slam them onto bigger, thicker pieces of metal for hours on end!!! figure it out ski companies!!!!!
Mar 7 2017 2:06PM
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Swandog7
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chubbspetersoni just cant understand why small, thin pieces of metal crack and break when you consistently slam them onto bigger, thicker pieces of metal for hours on end!!! figure it out ski companies!!!!!


Its because it heats up as you grind the rail, and then cools down again when it touches snow, causing them to expand and retract causing them to eventually split. I think this is correct someone add to this
Mar 7 2017 2:39PM
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NoImNotaBoarder
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Swandog7Its because it heats up as you grind the rail, and then cools down again when it touches snow, causing them to expand and retract causing them to eventually split. I think this is correct someone add to this


Not gonna pretend that I know for sure, but I can't imagine that you're on the rail long enough to heat it up enough that the snow then causes such an immediate, and extreme temperature change that it splits. Maybe if you were hitting a super long rail. Maybe I'm also just an idiot.
Mar 7 2017 2:43PM
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tomatonater
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NoImNotaBoarderNot gonna pretend that I know for sure, but I can't imagine that you're on the rail long enough to heat it up enough that the snow then causes such an immediate, and extreme temperature change that it splits. Maybe if you were hitting a super long rail. Maybe I'm also just an idiot.


No you're a snowboarder
Mar 7 2017 3:51PM
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weedoo
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Detune detune detune my friend. Also, if you're trying stuff beyond a beginner level, I would go with a different brand like ON3P.
Mar 7 2017 3:56PM
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NoImNotaBoarder
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tomatonaterNo you're a snowboarder


Shit how could you tell?

I also probably know more (or at least as much) about skiing than snowboarding. Stupidly switched when I was younger. All my friends ski. I want to get back into it, but don't want to deal with learning how to ski again. Not that good at snowboarding by any means, but can hit most rails, and spin 3's both ways with grabs off small to medium jumps, and decent at jibs. It would suck to have to go back to learning how to hit boxes and shit.

Sorry got way off topic. Anyways as for the topic of this thread, If I'm wrong, I apologize, just threw in my 2 cents. If that truly is enough to cause rapid enough temperature changes to break edges, I'm surprised.
Mar 7 2017 4:03PM
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ben.bodett
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i detuned and switch sides every dau, and i hit rails ways. i barely evrr go for disasters i just think i got unlucky.
Mar 7 2017 4:20PM
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Dddsz
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Swandog7.

Did you detune?
Did you swap skis around?
Did you epoxy and clamp?

Probably not.


I do none of the above and my Ohneps hold up fine. Because they aren't made by a horrible company.
Mar 7 2017 5:01PM
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Line_Skis
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Sorry to hear that! it for sure will happen to every ski manufactured with metal edges that is slid on rails, the constant battle between smashing on big metal rails and the effect on the much smaller ski edges, they will never win but hopefully, the cracks aren't' affecting the skiabilty of the Chronics. Detune a bit and use a file and they should hold up. They use a thicker base & edge material so the durabilty we're confident with (LJ went thru about 2.5 pars of skis here: If you feel it's a warranty issue for sure bring into the shop you got them from to take a look. -jm

For the record LJ went thru about 3 pairs throughout his X Games Real Ski 3 months of destroying.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/861212/X-Games-Real-Attempt----------LJ-Strenio
Mar 7 2017 5:18PM
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Swandog7
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SconnieI do none of the above and my Ohneps hold up fine. Because they aren't made by a horrible company.


How much do you hit rails. Also sometimes its luck. But I've heard ON3Ps are pretty sick. Usually there isn't a company that has edges that won't split as fast (dependent on edge thickness) but if two different pairs of skis (say his Chronics and your Ohneps) both have 2.5mm edge thickness, its gonna be based on some luck, detuning, and amount you hit rails. There are only like 2 edge manufacturing companies in the world, not like Line or ON3P makes there edges better than each other. So OPs problem is mostly likely because he didnt do maintenance, and maybe some bad luck.
Mar 7 2017 7:13PM
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ben.bodett
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def bad luck but now that i think about it i did do a bunch of disasters one day...
Mar 7 2017 7:20PM
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DominatorJacques
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Swandog7Its because it heats up as you grind the rail, and then cools down again when it touches snow, causing them to expand and retract causing them to eventually split. I think this is correct someone add to this


NoImNotaBoarderNot gonna pretend that I know for sure, but I can't imagine that you're on the rail long enough to heat it up enough that the snow then causes such an immediate, and extreme temperature change that it splits. Maybe if you were hitting a super long rail. Maybe I'm also just an idiot.


tomatonaterNo you're a snowboarder


weedooDetune detune detune my friend. Also, if you're trying stuff beyond a beginner level, I would go with a different brand like ON3P.


Line_SkisSorry to hear that! it for sure will happen to every ski manufactured with metal edges that is slid on rails, the constant battle between smashing on big metal rails and the effect on the much smaller ski edges, they will never win but hopefully, the cracks aren't' affecting the skiabilty of the Chronics. Detune a bit and use a file and they should hold up. They use a thicker base & edge material so the durabilty we're confident with (LJ went thru about 2.5 pars of skis here: If you feel it's a warranty issue for sure bring into the shop you got them from to take a look. -jm

For the record LJ went thru about 3 pairs throughout his X Games Real Ski 3 months of destroying.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/861212/X-Games-Real-Attempt----------LJ-Strenio


Hitting steel on steel creates what's called work hardened steel.
As most ski edges are close to the same (Some are harder than others) but I bet Line and ON3P probably use the same stuff.
If you slam, you harden more. The harder the edge gets, the more prone to cracking it gets.
If you want to ride rails you need not to DE-TUNE your skis, but rather TUNE them properly for rail and box riding.
The manufactures can't do all this for you!
You need to take matters into your own hands!
REMEMBER that any MACHINE tuning makes an edges harder!
Here you go kiddos. Here is a 5 hour and 24 minute Park Tuning clinic that I give away for FREE!
If you want your stuff to last as long as possible this is what you need to do!
If you plan on skiing park for years......what's 5 hours and 24 minutes of a FREE clinic worth?
Sure, maybe take a few days to watch it all, but if you want to be the shit and have skis that last a while, watch every second of this video.
Then hit the rails as smooth as you can. Hard banging is not style anyway!
Okay here is your FREE how to tune a Park Ski. A cap ski will not need quite this much work. This is a FULL ON PARK TUNE for a sandwich ski.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/849783/Ski-Tuning-How-To-By-Hand-Park-Special
Mar 7 2017 7:51PM
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DominatorJacques
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Oh BTW LINE, you guys are good as any. I love your attitude and skis.
Mar 7 2017 7:56PM
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a_burger
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SconnieI do none of the above and my Ohneps hold up fine. Because they aren't made by a horrible company.


On3ps aren't magic, I have had two friends who were missing edge after a season on theirs.
Mar 7 2017 8:16PM
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Dddsz
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a_burgerOn3ps aren't magic, I have had two friends who were missing edge after a season on theirs.

They must have been missing some chromosomes too.
Mar 7 2017 8:17PM
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1776
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I have had the 2011 line afterbang skis for about 3 years and the held up so good, line is one of the best ski brands in the industry
Mar 7 2017 8:30PM
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DominatorJacques
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SconnieI do none of the above and my Ohneps hold up fine. Because they aren't made by a horrible company.


ON3p is a good ski, but you are kinda' full of it here. Any brand can have issues from run to run. Sometimes a layout is bad etc. This sort of thing happens to the best of them. That's why they warranty their stuff. If it's not caused by major abuse most will cover it.
Ever see numbers on skis? When the makers see skis coming back they track those numbers. They see that on a particular time something went wrong. Then they take care of it. In another case you did the damage yourself.
No skis from any maker can withstand the punishment you provide.
Learn to be smooth and your skis will last a bit longer. Learn to tune them for park and they will last longer still and ski way better too.
Mar 7 2017 9:06PM
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Dddsz
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Stop supporting brands which are made in other countries, ya fuckin commies.
Mar 7 2017 9:20PM
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supersquid
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^^^^^
Damn straight
Mar 7 2017 9:44PM
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ben.bodett
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Line_SkisSorry to hear that! it for sure will happen to every ski manufactured with metal edges that is slid on rails, the constant battle between smashing on big metal rails and the effect on the much smaller ski edges, they will never win but hopefully, the cracks aren't' affecting the skiabilty of the Chronics. Detune a bit and use a file and they should hold up. They use a thicker base & edge material so the durabilty we're confident with (LJ went thru about 2.5 pars of skis here: If you feel it's a warranty issue for sure bring into the shop you got them from to take a look. -jm

For the record LJ went thru about 3 pairs throughout his X Games Real Ski 3 months of destroying.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/861212/X-Games-Real-Attempt----------LJ-Strenio


thanks so much for responding and I am thankful for your kind words. I do like the skis, don't get me wrong, I was just very surprised by how quick they cracked. You guys run a great company and I am excited to see what you are going to do in the future.
Mar 7 2017 11:38PM
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leprechaunsissy
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NoImNotaBoarderNot gonna pretend that I know for sure, but I can't imagine that you're on the rail long enough to heat it up enough that the snow then causes such an immediate, and extreme temperature change that it splits. Maybe if you were hitting a super long rail. Maybe I'm also just an idiot.


Uh oh, chill brah came to town with the karmaaaaaa!!! I randomly selected you for 2 karma, brah.
Mar 8 2017 1:51AM
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NoImNotaBoarder
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leprechaunsissyUh oh, chill brah came to town with the karmaaaaaa!!! I randomly selected you for 2 karma, brah.


I have no idea karma works, but thanks brah.
Mar 8 2017 10:30AM
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