Member of the Month

JalmarKalmar
April, 2024

Online

Welcome to the Newschoolers forums! You may read the forums as a guest, however you must be a registered member to post. Register to become a member today!

Changing Bindings Without Drilling New Holes

profile picture
EaveSicken
Posts: 8 - Karma: 14
Wadup. I've been using some Rossignol Sin 7 with Marker Free Ten Bindings and would like to install some touring bindings on them. I've read on a few forums that if you replace your old bindings with new ones from the same brand, they will fit in the old drillings, which helps to avoid drilling new holes and weakening the skis. If this is true, I'd probably get Marker FT 10 or something similar. Can anyone confirm this? If not are there any other "tricks" to avoid drilling new holes?
Thanks for any help!
Feb 16 2017 1:30PM
3 0
profile picture
.MASSHOLE.
Posts: 7408 - Karma: 11,040
Just check to see if the holes line up.

If they don't, there is no way to get around drilling new ones.
Feb 16 2017 2:04PM
0 0
profile picture
EaveSicken
Posts: 8 - Karma: 14
.MASSHOLE.Just check to see if the holes line up.

If they don't, there is no way to get around drilling new ones.



So it's got nothing to do with the brand? I just need to hope to find bindings with holes that line up?
Feb 16 2017 3:52PM
0 0
profile picture
.MASSHOLE.
Posts: 7408 - Karma: 11,040
EaveSickenSo it's got nothing to do with the brand? I just need to hope to find bindings with holes that line up?


Some bindings share some holes, but usually not with touring bindings. As I said, line em up and see if it works.

You can drill new holes in too. Just plug the old ones.
Feb 16 2017 3:57PM
0 0
profile picture
EaveSicken
Posts: 8 - Karma: 14
.MASSHOLE.Some bindings share some holes, but usually not with touring bindings. As I said, line em up and see if it works.

You can drill new holes in too. Just plug the old ones.


Awesome thanks man
Feb 16 2017 4:01PM
0 0
profile picture
supersquid
Posts: 1430 - Karma: 2,545
some bindings share the same holes like marker royal family (squire through jester pro) but i would not recommend using the same holes. they will pullout easier than if they were in new holes, but yes the ski will also become weaker. its up to you or the tech's discretion on what to do every ski is different.
Feb 16 2017 4:50PM
0 0
profile picture
Blake.P
Posts: 9894 - Karma: 3,585
jmellberg800some bindings share the same holes like marker royal family (squire through jester pro) but i would not recommend using the same holes. they will pullout easier than if they were in new holes, but yes the ski will also become weaker. its up to you or the tech's discretion on what to do every ski is different.


As long as you check that the threads in he hole are fine, I would have no issue reusing holes, just put a dab of wood glue in and you're good to go. If the threads are stripped, you could helicoil them and be fine
Feb 16 2017 11:54PM
0 0
profile picture
rballs_
Posts: 709 - Karma: 2,992
redrilling skis barely does anything noticeable to the performance of the ski. just make sure you plug up the old holes so water doesn't get into the core and rot the core of the ski
Feb 17 2017 1:03AM
0 0
profile picture
EaveSicken
Posts: 8 - Karma: 14
Thanks for the replies
Feb 17 2017 8:21AM
0 0
profile picture
supersquid
Posts: 1430 - Karma: 2,545
Blake.PAs long as you check that the threads in he hole are fine, I would have no issue reusing holes, just put a dab of wood glue in and you're good to go. If the threads are stripped, you could helicoil them and be fine


true but sometimes the epoxy used on the first screws will come out with the screws and strip the holes. But a helicoil would work
Feb 17 2017 8:46AM
0 0
profile picture
Blake.P
Posts: 9894 - Karma: 3,585
jmellberg800true but sometimes the epoxy used on the first screws will come out with the screws and strip the holes. But a helicoil would work


No legitimate shop tech would ever use epoxy to mount bindings. The point of putting some wood glue in is to create a watertight layer so that water can't creep into the hole, hence just using wood glue so it can be removed later on without damaging the ski or binding. If there is epoxy in the holes I would guess that it was done by somebody in their garage
Feb 17 2017 9:33AM
1 0
profile picture
supersquid
Posts: 1430 - Karma: 2,545
Blake.PNo legitimate shop tech would ever use epoxy to mount bindings. The point of putting some wood glue in is to create a watertight layer so that water can't creep into the hole, hence just using wood glue so it can be removed later on without damaging the ski or binding. If there is epoxy in the holes I would guess that it was done by somebody in their garage


sometimes it can happen with wood glue to it just depends on the brand and a bunch of other factors. But now were getting to deep into hypotheticals.

Op you should be fine, just take the skis to the shop and a tech can help you out.
Feb 17 2017 9:36AM
0 0
profile picture
haggis_hunter
Posts: 399 - Karma: 207
Blake.PNo legitimate shop tech would ever use epoxy to mount bindings. The point of putting some wood glue in is to create a watertight layer so that water can't creep into the hole, hence just using wood glue so it can be removed later on without damaging the ski or binding. If there is epoxy in the holes I would guess that it was done by somebody in their garage


There's plenty of reasons to use a 72 hour water proof epoxy over wood glue. A lot of rando racers will use it to reduce the risk of a pull out and the same goes for using inserts. I've used expoy on the binding screws on some of my skis as the core has been dusty, using expoy and wire wool fills the void and reduces the risk of a spinner or pull out. I judge what to use based on the ski / its use.
Feb 17 2017 10:12AM
0 1
profile picture
Blake.P
Posts: 9894 - Karma: 3,585
LamafamaThere's plenty of reasons to use a 72 hour water proof epoxy over wood glue. A lot of rando racers will use it to reduce the risk of a pull out and the same goes for using inserts. I've used expoy on the binding screws on some of my skis as the core has been dusty, using expoy and wire wool fills the void and reduces the risk of a spinner or pull out. I judge what to use based on the ski / its use.


alright true, there are occasional reasons why you may want to use epoxy, but given the original post, i can not see any reason why you would use epoxy in that particular mount (and frankly for most mounts, I mount bindings frequently and have never had a situation where I've needed to use epoxy on a mount, i would only if a customer specifically asked for epoxy in the holes). if i were concerned about the structural integrity of the core or threads on a previously threaded hole, i would helicoil before i filled the hole with expoxy and wire wool

also i have never heard of a shop using a 72 hour set epoxy. i have never used anything more than 24 hour set, nor heard of other shops using anything more than 24 hour set. even a full delam can be fixed with a 24 hour epoxy perfectly fine, 72 hour would be just unnecessary wait time for any shop.
Feb 20 2017 12:51AM
0 0
profile picture
haggis_hunter
Posts: 399 - Karma: 207
Blake.Palright true, there are occasional reasons why you may want to use epoxy, but given the original post, i can not see any reason why you would use epoxy in that particular mount (and frankly for most mounts, I mount bindings frequently and have never had a situation where I've needed to use epoxy on a mount, i would only if a customer specifically asked for epoxy in the holes). if i were concerned about the structural integrity of the core or threads on a previously threaded hole, i would helicoil before i filled the hole with expoxy and wire wool

also i have never heard of a shop using a 72 hour set epoxy. i have never used anything more than 24 hour set, nor heard of other shops using anything more than 24 hour set. even a full delam can be fixed with a 24 hour epoxy perfectly fine, 72 hour would be just unnecessary wait time for any shop.


24 hour is a bit brittle in my exp I use the Hardman double bubble 72 or west systems G-Flex, I've not had a binding repaired by a shop for many years as I do my own mounts, but given the experience of most shops I used I'm not surprised they didn't use 72 hour expoy as they just want customers skis out the door. The only place trust is a lot more fastidious than most shops and he uses 72 hour expoy on repairs.

Its not that hard to remove either if you need to swap bindings out, just press the screw head with a soldering iron for a min and it will un do.
Feb 20 2017 5:57AM
0 0
All times are Eastern (-4)