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Tips for 360 of cliff in powder

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Butter4dayz
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i have tried going off out 1 meter cliffs but i cannot rotate fully, my skis sink in the powder and cannot rotate off the "lip", does anyone have any tricks?
8 years ago
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SofaKingSick
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3s off cliffs are tough and a cliff that small will be even tougher. it's key to hit the take off point with wide feet and pop (or, more likely, just suck up your feet together) hard and lean down and into the spin

they feel a lot different than 3s off jumps IMO and theyre not super easy
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dan4060
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SofaKingSick3s off cliffs are tough and a cliff that small will be even tougher. it's key to hit the take off point with wide feet and pop (or, more likely, just suck up your feet together) hard and lean down and into the spin

they feel a lot different than 3s off jumps IMO and theyre not super easy


This.

Doing a 3 off a cliff, as opposed to a kicker, is very hard. You need to be very comfortable hucking cliffs first, and obviously you need to practice 3's in the park. Start with cliffs you are very comfortable with, you should have hucked something numerous times before you try a 3. One meter is probably too small, I don't know how you are going to rotate fast enough to get it around. As far as having trouble popping and spinning, that is also tough to do on a natural feature. Seth Morrison and Petit and the guys like that don't get the credit they deserve. They get a ton of credit, but I don't think people realize how hard it is to do what those guys do.

Keep working on it. I wish I had better advice. Be careful.
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SofaKingSick
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dan4060Petit


dude yeah sean pettit has some of the most perfect 3s off cliffs. OP i suggest watching a ton of his for some guidance on proper form and approach.

here's (a great segment containing) one of the dirtiest and biggest 3s ive ever freakin seen, and IMO he has the perfect form to emulate here. stomp city. starts at about 5:07

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/855685/Sean-Pettit--Re-edit
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Butter4dayz
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SofaKingSick3s off cliffs are tough and a cliff that small will be even tougher. it's key to hit the take off point with wide feet and pop (or, more likely, just suck up your feet together) hard and lean down and into the spin

they feel a lot different than 3s off jumps IMO and theyre not super easy


Thanks man, what happens in most of them is that my tails catch and i can't finish rotating, ill try and lean into the jump so that the tails can go up and not catch
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SofaKingSick
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BanterScootThanks man, what happens in most of them is that my tails catch and i can't finish rotating, ill try and lean into the jump so that the tails can go up and not catch


yeah i think a key part is accepting that your take off isnt going to act like a jump's lip. try to pick a good take off point and commit to it by lifting your knees and goin'!
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peterpants
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BanterScootThanks man, what happens in most of them is that my tails catch and i can't finish rotating, ill try and lean into the jump so that the tails can go up and not catch


One thing I have noticed and learned is to kinda leave your tips behind when taking off of a soft takeoff, for example once your body is at 90degrees, then your tips will still be pointing forward off the lip. This helps me make sure my tails dont get caught since it helps me be more patient letting my skis leave the lip fully before turning them.
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Butter4dayz
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SofaKingSickdude yeah sean pettit has some of the most perfect 3s off cliffs. OP i suggest watching a ton of his for some guidance on proper form and approach.

here's (a great segment containing) one of the dirtiest and biggest 3s ive ever freakin seen, and IMO he has the perfect form to emulate here. stomp city. starts at about 5:07

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/855685/Sean-Pettit--Re-edit


he really does deserve more credit, those lines are just epic
8 years ago
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seancullen
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I had the same problem before even focusing on the spin work it on tramp but dont throw it on the take off wait for your body to get up in the air to start the spin to simulate the felling off a cliff make sure to throw mainly with your shoulders and head. Powder is forgiving and will let you stick a sloppy landing. Carving off the lip is also huge turn into your spin and really focus on snapping your head around as quick as possible.

I find it easier to cork out the spin it makes spotting the landing through the spin easier and the landing a little spongier
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Casey
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That Pettit 360 was freaking gigantic. Holy shit.

Anyway what you should think about too is off a jump you are launching up, hanging for a split second and falling to the landing. So the airtime for even a small stepdown is going to be equivalent to a pretty big cliff. If you want to pop and be floaty off a cliff do what pollard does and side step in a little lip and inrun.
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GayWolf420
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SofaKingSickdude yeah sean pettit has some of the most perfect 3s off cliffs. OP i suggest watching a ton of his for some guidance on proper form and approach.

here's (a great segment containing) one of the dirtiest and biggest 3s ive ever freakin seen, and IMO he has the perfect form to emulate here. stomp city. starts at about 5:07

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/855685/Sean-Pettit--Re-edit


seans MSP seggys are pure insanity.
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MikeWeinerONE
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seancullenI had the same problem before even focusing on the spin work it on tramp but dont throw it on the take off wait for your body to get up in the air to start the spin to simulate the felling off a cliff make sure to throw mainly with your shoulders and head. Powder is forgiving and will let you stick a sloppy landing. Carving off the lip is also huge turn into your spin and really focus on snapping your head around as quick as possible.

I find it easier to cork out the spin it makes spotting the landing through the spin easier and the landing a little spongier


Powder is actually very unforgiving for sloppy landings. You essentially have to land perfectly unlike a park jump or you will not land.
8 years ago
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Cole9
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MikeWeinerONEPowder is actually very unforgiving for sloppy landings. You essentially have to land perfectly unlike a park jump or you will not land.


Yea but if you fall it feels like your falling into a memory foam pillow…
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SofaKingSick
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MikeWeinerONEPowder is actually very unforgiving for sloppy landings. You essentially have to land perfectly unlike a park jump or you will not land.


well yeah i agree that pow landings can be super unforgiving, especially because you dont know what youre getting yourself into until it's too late to react whereas with a park landing i know before my feet hit the ground about how much grip and give ill be afforded

but in some situations, e.g. hot tub landing, powder is way more forgiving. and 80% of the time falling in pow is more forgiving injury wise
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iH8pow
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The landing is more difficult and so is the takeoff, but you can ease into it by throwing it off a cornice or something where it's hard packed up top, then learn how to land it in deep snow, and once you have that down then go for it off a powdery take off
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MikeWeinerONE
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Cole9Yea but if you fall it feels like your falling into a memory foam pillow…


Actually no. Land off balance off a 40 foot cliff and tomahawk and be lucky if you don't blow a knee and even if you don't it doesn't feel good.
8 years ago
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Cole9
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MikeWeinerONEActually no. Land off balance off a 40 foot cliff and tomahawk and be lucky if you don't blow a knee and even if you don't it doesn't feel good.


This guys talking about a 1 meter cliff I would be shocked if someone blue out a knee on that...
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Holte
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You need more speed than you think. Yeah, it's scary to head into that drop with speed, but without some speed you'll huck the rotation weirdly and land off-axis. Focus on popping. That's the biggest mental game.
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