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james_caposello
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I was wondering whats the softest ski out right now or from personal preference. Im on some 171 bdogs right now and theyre pretty soft I think i just need to break them in a little more. Just wondering what you guys think.
Jan 6 2017 5:39PM
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hot.yoga.boiz
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da nollies are softer than drake
Jan 6 2017 5:55PM
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james_caposello
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frozen.zooda nollies are softer than drake


shit.
Jan 6 2017 5:57PM
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james_caposello
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forgot to mention theyre this years bdogs
Jan 6 2017 5:59PM
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hemlockjibber8
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2004 Jp vs Julien prototype or first run of 2005 Line Elizabeth that were missing a layer of fibreglass.
Jan 6 2017 6:02PM
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Scotty_B
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had a pair of line afterbangs and those things bend like cooked spagetti
Jan 6 2017 6:51PM
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GoldFlameChain
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French fries fo sho
Jan 7 2017 2:14AM
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clorox
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Idk this fascination with noodles. You're gonna wash out all the time, and destroy your skis from the friction created by the flex.
Jan 7 2017 12:34PM
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TroyAntipasta
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEIdk this fascination with noodles. You're gonna wash out all the time, and destroy your skis from the friction created by the flex.


Clearly you have never seen an edit with a decent kit... How else are you going to ski with your arms flailing around in the air without a pair of wet noodles.
Jan 7 2017 1:59PM
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SammyDubz
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Older shreditor 102s were very noodly
Jan 7 2017 4:43PM
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Peter.
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flexxy skis are fun until you want to go faster than 2 mph
Jan 7 2017 4:56PM
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loganimlach
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEIdk this fascination with noodles. You're gonna wash out all the time, and destroy your skis from the friction created by the flex.


friction created by the flex? that makes absolutely no sense at all.
Jan 7 2017 4:58PM
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TroyAntipasta
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loganimlachfriction created by the flex? that makes absolutely no sense at all.


I think he means all the stress on the ski from flexing will damage it.
Jan 7 2017 5:36PM
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Jesse_
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Peter.flexxy skis are fun until you want to go faster than 2 mph


Tru, I have line blends which are pretty noodily I guess... They're fun but it's kinda annoying when you try todo anything remotely big or fast (still possible though). Gonna get a stiffer ski when they get trashed, thinking kartels lol.
Jan 7 2017 7:46PM
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Obie.
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Softest skis I've come across were a pair of first-gen K2 Domains. They were heavily used form a previous owner and the season & a 1/2 I got on them only broke em in more. They were straight noodles. With the lack of camber and rocker profile they were the most unstable skis I've ever used. Definitely washed out a fair amount of times on those, still so fun manualing / jibbing around on. Soft skis definitely have their place, I have fun on them.
Jan 7 2017 8:37PM
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AB_Pow
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Find yourself some 07ish? Line Invaders
Jan 7 2017 9:19PM
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erickson660
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Majesty Rock'n'Rollas are noodly af
Jan 7 2017 10:54PM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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whipits are pretty soft
Jan 7 2017 11:01PM
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Jesse_
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.Dadwhipits are pretty soft


Ye, I demoed my friends pair and realized my blends were softer tho.
Jan 7 2017 11:05PM
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clorox
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loganimlachfriction created by the flex? that makes absolutely no sense at all.


When a ski flexes, all the layers are forced to slide against each other. The more this happens, the more likely a ski is to delam.
Jan 8 2017 9:56AM
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.frenchy
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surface makes really soft skis, my nine lifes were dank. i even used em a couple weeks ago when i was back home, felt good to be on some noodles again, easy as fucc to spin compared to all my other skis
Jan 8 2017 11:55AM
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JichelMusten
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james_caposelloforgot to mention theyre this years bdogs


Actually just got a pair of these. How do you like them and how are they holding up?
Jan 8 2017 1:52PM
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Ski.Ballet
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the friction created by the flex.


lol physics
Jan 8 2017 2:04PM
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fries
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jskis whipit
Jan 8 2017 10:25PM
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TNORTS
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noodles suck

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Jan 8 2017 11:33PM
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loganimlach
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEWhen a ski flexes, all the layers are forced to slide against each other. The more this happens, the more likely a ski is to delam.


If a layer slides against another layer, by definition you have achieved delamination, aka your laminates that were laminated together during pressing are no longer laminated
Jan 8 2017 11:51PM
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Cadenmccullough
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You have the new bdogs and want a even softer ski?? You won't find skis much softer than the new bdogs.
Jan 9 2017 12:58AM
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crawley
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how has no one mentioned vishnu wets
Jan 9 2017 1:49AM
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1KSheehan
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crawleyhow has no one mentioned vishnu wets


this is the soft ski for sure right now!, no question about it.
Jan 9 2017 2:07AM
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kung_powpow
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEWhen a ski flexes, all the layers are forced to slide against each other. The more this happens, the more likely a ski is to delam.


wut
Jan 9 2017 10:39AM
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Jesse_
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1KSheehanthis is the soft ski for sure right now!, no question about it.


The vishnu wet is definetly a flexy ski but it is by no means the softest lol
Jan 9 2017 1:42PM
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Stinging_Roger
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crawleyhow has no one mentioned vishnu wets


I have a pair and holy shit they are so much fun
Jan 9 2017 1:48PM
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clorox
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kung_powpowwut


Put your hands together and bend your fingers to the left and right. There will be force against your fingers to slide against eachother
Jan 9 2017 2:03PM
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Ranch
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEPut your hands together and bend your fingers to the left and right. There will be force against your fingers to slide against eachother


the different components do not move freely within the ski. they cannot slide around ya dingus
Jan 9 2017 2:10PM
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clorox
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Dekerzthe different components do not move freely within the ski. they cannot slide around ya dingus


That's what delam is ya dingus. Why do you think noodly skis are known to delam and skis as stiff as 2x4's rarely do? What I was saying is that the more you flex a ski, the more force there will be against each layer to slide against each other, causing it to delam.
Jan 9 2017 2:15PM
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Ranch
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEThat's what delam is ya dingus. Why do you think noodly skis are known to delam and skis as stiff as 2x4's rarely do? What I was saying is that the more you flex a ski, the more force there will be against each layer to slide against each other, causing it to delam.


I know what a delam is you dangus. I'm not arguing that flex isn't a cause of delamination. But what you're saying is that when you flex a ski, the different sheets of fiberglass ''slide'' on one another.
Jan 9 2017 2:54PM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEThat's what delam is ya dingus. Why do you think noodly skis are known to delam and skis as stiff as 2x4's rarely do? What I was saying is that the more you flex a ski, the more force there will be against each layer to slide against each other, causing it to delam.


if the layers in your skis start to rub against each other then it's probably already too late, but that won't happen right out of the box. no matter if the ski is designed to be stiff or soft.
Jan 9 2017 3:10PM
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loganimlach
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEPut your hands together and bend your fingers to the left and right. There will be force against your fingers to slide against eachother


Hahaha by then the ski is already delaminated. I already explained this above. Stop arguing, you're wrong.
Jan 9 2017 3:37PM
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.frenchy
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loganimlachHahaha by then the ski is already delaminated. I already explained this above. Stop arguing, you're wrong.


and you're being a dick. chill
Jan 9 2017 7:39PM
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Obie.
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.frenchyand you're being a dick. chill


Being a part of the ski development process with Armada & and an engineer (correct me if I'm wrong) I can understand his annoyance by some dude spewing completely false information about the exact design process in which he makes a career.
Jan 9 2017 7:52PM
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clorox
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loganimlachHahaha by then the ski is already delaminated. I already explained this above. Stop arguing, you're wrong.


.frenchyand you're being a dick. chill


I could care less, and I'm not gonna stop arguing because I am not wrong. You can't just constantly flex a ski and not expect the layers to eventually delam, whereas a stiffer ski is not plagued with this issue. The fiberglass cannot constantly flex against itself forever, and hold constant rigidity. It will become 'tired' and begin to separate from itself. If I'm so wrong, then please explain why the noodles out there are notorious for delam, and the delamed 2x4's of newschoolers are few and far between.
Jan 9 2017 9:01PM
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TNORTS
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEI could care less, and I'm not gonna stop arguing because I am not wrong. You can't just constantly flex a ski and not expect the layers to eventually delam, whereas a stiffer ski is not plagued with this issue. The fiberglass cannot constantly flex against itself forever, and hold constant rigidity. It will become 'tired' and begin to separate from itself. If I'm so wrong, then please explain why the noodles out there are notorious for delam, and the delamed 2x4's of newschoolers are few and far between.


dudes right. If you flex a ski, the layers experience shear stress. They don't physically slide against each other, but the shear stress weakens the glue between laminations. When shear stress becomes too much for the force holding the laminations together, you get delamination
Jan 9 2017 9:48PM
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loganimlach
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TNORTSdudes right. If you flex a ski, the layers experience shear stress. They don't physically slide against each other, but the shear stress weakens the glue between laminations. When shear stress becomes too much for the force holding the laminations together, you get delamination


That's completely correct, prior the dude was describing friction between the layers when you flex the ski, which would indicate movement and the ski being already delaminated. Friction and shear stress aren't the same thing.
Jan 9 2017 11:51PM
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loganimlach
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEI could care less, and I'm not gonna stop arguing because I am not wrong. You can't just constantly flex a ski and not expect the layers to eventually delam, whereas a stiffer ski is not plagued with this issue. The fiberglass cannot constantly flex against itself forever, and hold constant rigidity. It will become 'tired' and begin to separate from itself. If I'm so wrong, then please explain why the noodles out there are notorious for delam, and the delamed 2x4's of newschoolers are few and far between.


Hahaha you changed your explanation mid thread kid, what you're describing has nothing to do with friction, that's all I was saying
Jan 9 2017 11:55PM
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cydwhit
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loganimlachHahaha you changed your explanation mid thread kid, what you're describing has nothing to do with friction, that's all I was saying


Nah, this "Imlach" fella doesn't know jack about skis, or engineering. Disregard everything he says, don't want him corrupting the youth.
Jan 10 2017 12:03AM
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hemlockjibber8
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loganimlachHahaha you changed your explanation mid thread kid, what you're describing has nothing to do with friction, that's all I was saying


All he did was use the word friction instead of shear stress. It's not like you couldn't tell what he was talking about. Chill
Jan 10 2017 3:57AM
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loganimlach
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.frenchyand you're being a dick. chill


hemlockjibber8All he did was use the word friction instead of shear stress. It's not like you couldn't tell what he was talking about. Chill


I'm glad all you ladies are sticking together, god forbid everyone doesn't get a gold star for trying instead of getting told their wrong

And he didn't just use the wrong word, he actually described layers sliding against each other leading to delamination earlier on, then changed his reasoning mid thread. How's your reading comprehension brew?

**This post was edited on Jan 10th 2017 at 7:46:24am
Jan 10 2017 7:43AM
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loganimlach
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Plus the delaminations we see in freestyle skiing can't necessarily only be contributed to the construction of the ski, but also the act of what we're doing. Landing on big jumps and in the pipe is unbelievably hard on the tips and tails of your ski, the entire thing "unrolls" each time you land hard. The resistance to layers breaking apart from each other and sliding is what makes your tip return to its normal shape. So just qualitatively, when we talk about tip and tail delams, it would seem to me that a softer ski forced flat would actually be less likely to delam than a stiff ski forced flat, because it's epoxy doesn't have to work as hard to keep the fiberglass constrained. We also as an entire industry have increased tip and tail radii, which helps and doesn't put as much strain on these bonds. The reason that you don't see as many tip and tail delams in race skis is because the user isn't doing the same shit we do on freestyle skis. I don't have the exact numbers on hand, but I'd venture to say that we get more AR8 (race ski with a twin tip) warranty requests due to delamination than we do for the Dollo (one of the softer skis out).

I'm just saying this for tip and tail delams due to unrolling. There are sooooo many types of delams we could write a fucking novel on why they happen.

All I was getting at here was this kid said delams happen because layers slide together and cause friction, and all I was saying is that by the time they are sliding you have already had a delam.
Jan 10 2017 8:32AM
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clorox
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TNORTSdudes right. If you flex a ski, the layers experience shear stress. They don't physically slide against each other, but the shear stress weakens the glue between laminations. When shear stress becomes too much for the force holding the laminations together, you get delamination


THANK YOU
Jan 10 2017 8:40AM
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SammyDubz
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FKS_HEEL_PIECETHANK YOU


But that's not what you said you fucking imbecile
Jan 10 2017 9:12AM
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CheddarJack
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TNORTSnoodles suck

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TNORTSdudes right. If you flex a ski, the layers experience shear stress. They don't physically slide against each other, but the shear stress weakens the glue between laminations. When shear stress becomes too much for the force holding the laminations together, you get delamination


The two truest things said in this thread.

TNORTS wins.
Jan 10 2017 9:29AM
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