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Fast Twin Tip Skis

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EaveSicken
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I recently found out about the Armada Triumph skis, which look more or less like regular park skis but are actually built like GS ski. Unfortunately, Armada don't make this model anymore. Do you guys know of a similar, fast, carving twin tip ski which I could still use for the occasional park run?
Thanks
Sep 3 2016 7:07AM
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.otto.
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any park ski will be fast... you just need to wax correctly, however it is true certain skis, like the salamon nfx is made with a race base, which will potentially be faster. but im confused about why you care about a ski being fast or not, thats not something that you look for when searching for skis, any ski that you get that is good for your hieght and not from the 1980s will go "fast", speed is determined by the mountain that you are on, the snow and the wax.

But if you care about fast "twin tips" i assume you are into straighlinning, i would look into learning how to carve, because if you are looking for a ski to ski alot normally yet taking a few laps in the park, the "speed" of the ski(if thats even a thing) will matter wayyyy less then the actual carving/ turn radius and design of the park ski.
Sep 3 2016 8:40AM
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EaveSicken
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.otto.any park ski will be fast... you just need to wax correctly, however it is true certain skis, like the salamon nfx is made with a race base, which will potentially be faster. but im confused about why you care about a ski being fast or not, thats not something that you look for when searching for skis, any ski that you get that is good for your hieght and not from the 1980s will go "fast", speed is determined by the mountain that you are on, the snow and the wax.

But if you care about fast "twin tips" i assume you are into straighlinning, i would look into learning how to carve, because if you are looking for a ski to ski alot normally yet taking a few laps in the park, the "speed" of the ski(if thats even a thing) will matter wayyyy less then the actual carving/ turn radius and design of the park ski.


Hey thanks for the info. When I said "fast" I meant a ski that is stable at high speed, with edges that hold very well while carving, with a small waist and a medium to long sized radius: basically the characteristics of a GS ski, but with twin tips so that I can also use the ski in the park.
Sep 3 2016 9:22AM
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MikeWeinerONE
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Look at the Head Framewall. I ski on the 181 and it's my favorite park ski I've been on.
Sep 3 2016 11:48AM
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californiagrown
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Im guessing you are on a race team and need a ski for that, but also have it be decent in the park?
Sep 3 2016 12:34PM
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.lencon
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.otto.any park ski will be fast... you just need to wax correctly, however it is true certain skis, like the salamon nfx is made with a race base, which will potentially be faster. but im confused about why you care about a ski being fast or not, thats not something that you look for when searching for skis, any ski that you get that is good for your hieght and not from the 1980s will go "fast", speed is determined by the mountain that you are on, the snow and the wax.

But if you care about fast "twin tips" i assume you are into straighlinning, i would look into learning how to carve, because if you are looking for a ski to ski alot normally yet taking a few laps in the park, the "speed" of the ski(if thats even a thing) will matter wayyyy less then the actual carving/ turn radius and design of the park ski.



This is just so wrong on so many levels man.

So not every park ski will be fast, especially ones with extruded bases. Armada does their race base and what not, but they aren't durable. The other ones they often are more durable but they're not as fast.

4FRNT makes some fast bases I've noticed, but they're soft, therefore not that durable.

ON3P makes fast and hard bases. Durable and speedy.


So yeah the mountain and wax and snow will have an affect on the speed, but it there's still faster and slower bases.
Sep 3 2016 1:14PM
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brett_fisher
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just wax it's not like other base are slow just mob boi
Sep 3 2016 1:51PM
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CB4TSB
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.lenconThis is just so wrong on so many levels man.

So not every park ski will be fast, especially ones with extruded bases. Armada does their race base and what not, but they aren't durable. The other ones they often are more durable but they're not as fast.

4FRNT makes some fast bases I've noticed, but they're soft, therefore not that durable.

ON3P makes fast and hard bases. Durable and speedy.


So yeah the mountain and wax and snow will have an affect on the speed, but it there's still faster and slower bases.


Thank you for correcting him, you saved me a lot of typing
Sep 3 2016 1:54PM
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hippy_killa_
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look for something like the salomon nfx, volkl wall, or fischer nightstick, all have full sidewall and thicker edges which will be much more stable at speed and have better durability, they all also use the higher quality base material, so they will be faster than some of the lower down or less pipe oriented skis.
Sep 3 2016 3:41PM
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californiagrown
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Buy GS skis
Buy a heat gun
Turn GS skis into twin tips
Now you have twin tips that skis like GS skis
Sep 3 2016 4:20PM
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EaveSicken
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californiagrownBuy GS skis
Buy a heat gun
Turn GS skis into twin tips
Now you have twin tips that skis like GS skis


This is probably what I'll end up doing
Sep 3 2016 4:23PM
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.otto.
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.lenconSo yeah the mountain and wax and snow will have an affect on the speed, but it there's still faster and slower bases.


but does it matter/ make a big difference? depends if op is trying to race in these skis or not, but if hes just cruising id say in my expereince with race bases/ vs non-race base it really doesnt matter and is limiting your choice of skis
Sep 3 2016 4:43PM
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Big_Mtn
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I use my Volkl Walls for skiercross... They carve well and are stiff.
Sep 3 2016 6:07PM
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Outoftowner
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Bending the tips is dumb and throws off any geometry of the ski. As was stated, some skis are definitely faster than others.

Consider something on the stiffer side which lets you power into it a little easier and more aggressively. Speed will come with that alone.
Sep 3 2016 8:49PM
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adamholl
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Armada 2016 El Ray. nuff said
Sep 3 2016 9:56PM
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CB4TSB
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Olin Mark IV
Sep 4 2016 12:40AM
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Jesse_
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californiagrownBuy GS skis
Buy a heat gun
Turn GS skis into twin tips
Now you have twin tips that skis like GS skis


EaveSickenThis is probably what I'll end up doing


Please don't do this
Sep 4 2016 2:26AM
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MikeWeinerONE
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EaveSickenHey thanks for the info. When I said "fast" I meant a ski that is stable at high speed, with edges that hold very well while carving, with a small waist and a medium to long sized radius: basically the characteristics of a GS ski, but with twin tips so that I can also use the ski in the park.


californiagrownBuy GS skis
Buy a heat gun
Turn GS skis into twin tips
Now you have twin tips that skis like GS skis


This is what we did in 1993 by bending up the tails, and it worked. Now you have options, its 2016. But bases make a huge difference. Look at Head skis and see how most of the best skiers in the world ride on Head in all aspects of skiing.

Any stiff ski is going to be way more stable at speed. Stiffness in the tip means your tips aren't flopping around when going over crud, or impurities in the snow, so long as you're forward which you should be. Stiff tail means you can land back a bit easier and wheelie or ride it out.

If you edge your skis properly you will have no problem running a GS course in a stiff park ski.
Sep 4 2016 2:46AM
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EaveSicken
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Jesse_Please don't do this


I thought that the guy was joking
Sep 4 2016 9:27AM
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.otto.
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.lenconThis is just so wrong on so many levels man.


So yeah the mountain and wax and snow will have an affect on the speed, but it there's still faster and slower bases.


i agree that there faster and slower bases as i said, but for what he is doing, it doesnt really matter, and that limits op's ski choice
Sep 5 2016 11:15AM
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.lencon
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.otto.i agree that there faster and slower bases as i said, but for what he is doing, it doesnt really matter, and that limits op's ski choice


it might limit his options but the options he is given are great skis.. on3p, kf
Sep 5 2016 1:39PM
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rozboon
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MikeWeinerONELook at Head skis and see how most of the best skiers in the world ride on Head in all aspects of skiing.


Are you sponsored/paid by Head? Because if you are it will make this statement look ever so slightly less stupid. But only ever, ever so slightly.
Sep 5 2016 8:11PM
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MikeWeinerONE
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rozboonAre you sponsored/paid by Head? Because if you are it will make this statement look ever so slightly less stupid. But only ever, ever so slightly.


No I'm not paid by Head, they just make the best skis I've skied on. Have you noticed who Head's team is? Chris Laker, Simon Dumont, Aaron Blunck, Jesper Tjader, PK Hunder, Evan Mceachran, Alex Schlopy, Jon Olson and tons more juniors who shred.

Then you can get into the racer's who dominate the podium in racing.

Obviously you've been skiing a year or two and prefer your boutique brands. ON3P for the win.
Sep 5 2016 8:55PM
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freshiesbrah
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Rossi Scratches as fast as fuck. They make me ski way better than anything else I've ever ridden on. Volkl Walls are probably just as good but I've never touched them.
Sep 5 2016 9:20PM
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.lencon
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MikeWeinerONENo I'm not paid by Head, they just make the best skis I've skied on. Have you noticed who Head's team is? Chris Laker, Simon Dumont, Aaron Blunck, Jesper Tjader, PK Hunder, Evan Mceachran, Alex Schlopy, Jon Olson and tons more juniors who shred.

Then you can get into the racer's who dominate the podium in racing.

Obviously you've been skiing a year or two and prefer your boutique brands. ON3P for the win.


Well a team really means nothing about the skis, just how much they pay the athletes. Not saying head skis suck, I've never ridden them, but yeah you can't judge a ski by the riders.


You ski squaw right? Im down at squaw this winter and would love to take a few laps with you.
Sep 5 2016 9:21PM
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MikeWeinerONE
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.lenconWell a team really means nothing about the skis, just how much they pay the athletes. Not saying head skis suck, I've never ridden them, but yeah you can't judge a ski by the riders.


You ski squaw right? Im down at squaw this winter and would love to take a few laps with you.



To a point it does matter who their team is, because when you have options, you go with the company whose skis you like the most. The big brands aren't struggling for athletes, and their athletes aren't struggling to obtain ski sponsors. Just ski the framewall, if you're at squaw this winter you can ski mine.
Sep 5 2016 9:28PM
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rozboon
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MikeWeinerONENo I'm not paid by Head, they just make the best skis I've skied on. Have you noticed who Head's team is? Chris Laker, Simon Dumont, Aaron Blunck, Jesper Tjader, PK Hunder, Evan Mceachran, Alex Schlopy, Jon Olson and tons more juniors who shred.

Then you can get into the racer's who dominate the podium in racing.

Obviously you've been skiing a year or two and prefer your boutique brands. ON3P for the win.


Yeah man, Simon Dumont and Jon Olsson are well known for being totally on top of the game right now. No disrespect to them as they are legends in their own right but go re-read your statement.... "most of the best skiers in the world ride on Head in all aspects of skiing"

You know that "most" means "in the greatest number", right? Just checking... as in, you are asserting that more of "the best skiers in the world" ride on Head than all the other brands put together?

As for racing, I wouldn't say dominating, unless Marcel Hirscher is actually riding Head skis with Atomic stickers on them.

Last of all, your ad hominem rubbish assumption is exactly that. A year or 2? Let's just say I've been skiing long enough to know that Head aren't the be all and end all of skis, and I've never owned a pair of ON3Ps.

Since you're not getting paid by Head (although maybe you should be?) your original statement was exactly as stupid as it appeared to be.
Sep 5 2016 9:34PM
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MikeWeinerONE
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rozboonYeah man, Simon Dumont and Jon Olsson are well known for being totally on top of the game right now. No disrespect to them as they are legends in their own right but go re-read your statement.... "most of the best skiers in the world ride on Head in all aspects of skiing"

You know that "most" means "in the greatest number", right? Just checking... as in, you are asserting that more of "the best skiers in the world" ride on Head than all the other brands put together?

As for racing, I wouldn't say dominating, unless Marcel Hirscher is actually riding Head skis with Atomic stickers on them.

Last of all, your ad hominem rubbish assumption is exactly that. A year or 2? Let's just say I've been skiing long enough to know that Head aren't the be all and end all of skis, and I've never owned a pair of ON3Ps.

Since you're not getting paid by Head (although maybe you should be?) your original statement was exactly as stupid as it appeared to be.


The only time im going to waste responding is to say good luck to OP on finding the best ski for you. Opinions are like assholes.
Sep 5 2016 9:37PM
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rozboon
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MikeWeinerONEOpinions are like assholes.


What, some of them are paid for, and some of them just look and smell like someone is paying for them on the daily, when really they're just old and well used?
Sep 5 2016 9:41PM
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RudyGarmisch
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MikeWeinerONELook at the Head Framewall. I ski on the 181 and it's my favorite park ski I've been on.


Respect others opinions I guess.
Sep 7 2016 12:34AM
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